UNSOLVED Oh - Pike County: 8 People From One Family Dead As Police Hunt For Killer(s) #33

[MittenScarpetta]

I think a lot depends on the individual. I have a family member who hardly to


I think the addiction is either there, or it isn't. it's a genetic thing that passes down. I can just look at my own family! I didn't get it, it skipped me. Most can use pain meds, some for a long time, and may become dependent upon them to ease pain, but can be weaned off as they heal, and they'll be fine. However, it grabs others. The formers' 30 day scrip will last them 30 days or maybe more, the latter's 30 day scrip might last them two days. Yanking either one of them off of their meds, will create a bad situation, in that they may very well turn to street drugs. People will find something to take away the pain, either mental of physical. There's always liquor if ya can't find anything else, and it's perfectly legal.

I agree. I watched my father commit a slow suicide over 40 years of his life until he was dead. And in the same sense, I’ve known many people who chased the buzz of opiates because they needed mental health treatment. I do still feel like dirty physicians and the DEA are to blame for a good chunk of this epidemic. Like the physician I shared up thread who was a psychiatrist prescribing opiates. There’s zero reason for that in his profession and the DEA should have busted him long before they did. Instead he ran a multistate drug ring for years, made millions, probably aided in killing more than will ever be known, and was still able to get half the sentence one of the runners got.

We just live in very sad times. It’s all just sad. And looking over all of this, thinking about the Rhodens and RW, GR and his Greenup connections. Chris being said to go to Detroit for car auctions. JR walking on his drugs charges after the murders. I dont know what to think anymore.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

So true!
My dad got the addictive personality gene as did my younger brother. Both got into some troubles with cocaine. My dad has been been clean for almost 11 years and I know my brother still struggles to stay clean He's been to rehab, but he's relapsed since then. I do have the gene as well, so I avoid situations where I could get into trouble. It completely skipped my sister.

They say it’s very hard to be an addict and even harder to love one. Walking next to addiction my entire life. I have to agree with that statement. I’m sure you can relate. I’m so glad your dad has been clean for almost 11 years. What a blessing. May your brother find the strength to break those chains completely. Never give up hope!

 

[Dudly]

Almost every young person I know, smokes cigarettes, and I cannot tell you how many unwed teen mothers are in this county. No, it's not getting through. It will just be something else to take this problem's place. History constantly repeats itself. Only the strong survive.

Two of three of my kids smoke. Three of five of my grand kids over sixteen smoke. I quit in 2004. I hadn't smoked at work since 1987 so that may have made it easier for me. I try to tell them they spend more on cigarettes than housing or a car payment but it doesn't seem to matter...

 

[Dudly]

They do have a lot of education. And on top of that, newspapaers and media across the country constantly have overdose articles in the paper or a blip on the news about an overdose here or
an overdose there.

We need more doctors who aren’t money hungry for the almighty dollar to stop shoving pills down people’s throats. They’re getting better at not over prescribing BUT the disaster that’s been created over the last decade will last a lifetime.

Here’s an example. When I had my first c section, I was sent home from the hospital with Percocet. 5mg. Prescribed 2 pills every 3 hours. And was given 90 pills. I was also a teenager. How ignorant is that? Thankfully, I wasn’t dumb and I also didn’t like the way they made me feel. BUT I’m not everyone and the rest of the people who did like how the pain pills made them feel, kept chasing that high because they were given too many pain pills by a doctor that was supposed to protect them. And doctors would keep writing refills and so on and so on. It started in one place and that was with physicians who were either naive and trusted their patients when they kept coming back for ache after ache requesting that Vicodin or they liked the $$$.

Apparently my body handles pain meds differently than addicts. I have been on strong pain meds numerous times and I don't recall any feeling of euphoria or desire to take more than I needed. I was more likely to forget to take them when I was supposed to take them, then regret that. Maybe I'm just lucky. A couple years back I had out patient surgery and was prescribed Norco. My family doctor went nuts about it. He said I had to quit taking them or at least cut them in two because they were highly addictive. He said I would have to get monthly blood tests to make sure I was taking them and not selling them. I didn't even have a month supply of them. I was thinking he needed a pill to calm him down...lol

 

[Dudly]

I think a lot depends on the individual. I have a family member who hardly to


I think the addiction is either there, or it isn't. it's a genetic thing that passes down. I can just look at my own family! I didn't get it, it skipped me. Most can use pain meds, some for a long time, and may become dependent upon them to ease pain, but can be weaned off as they heal, and they'll be fine. However, it grabs others. The formers' 30 day scrip will last them 30 days or maybe more, the latter's 30 day scrip might last them two days. Yanking either one of them off of their meds, will create a bad situation, in that they may very well turn to street drugs. People will find something to take away the pain, either mental of physical. There's always liquor if ya can't find anything else, and it's perfectly legal.

I knew someone in consoling for alcohol. His maternal great grand mother, grand father, three aunts and mother had alcohol abuse problems. He was told that the tendency to be addicted can be hereditary. He was told he would have that tendency his whole life whether it be alcohol, smoking, gambling, or whatever you can get addicted to, it can happen to him.

 

[rsd1200]

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Two of three of my kids smoke. Three of five of my grand kids over sixteen smoke. I quit in 2004. I hadn't smoked at work since 1987 so that may have made it easier for me. I try to tell them they spend more on cigarettes than housing or a car payment but it doesn't seem to matter...

The money is what made me give them up. When they stopped letting us smoke in the building, at work, that cut me back, but, I didn't smoke that much, they usually burned up in the tray. I only smoked about three, four packs per week. I only smoked a certain brand, and they were almost $7 a pak, 4-5 years ago, untelling now. I'd just bought a new m/c, and when I saw that I was smoking enough to pay my motorcycle payment, I walked away. I still enjoy catching a whiff of the smoke as someone walks by (unless it's that cheap stuff), or walking into a bar and smelling it mixed into the bar smells. I just liked smoking. Gave me something to do with me hands. My eldest has given up stix for vapes. I fear the vaping is worse than just smoking tobacco.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Dudly you need to add religion to that list. My son and DIL doesn't smoke, drink, take drugs or gamble, but he spends most of his day either reading the Bible or talking about it to anyone who will listen. Religion consumes his life and the lives of his wife and children. Hubby enables him and spends hours on the phone each day talking religion with him. He knows it irritates me so he goes outside or in another room to talk. I am beginning to think they are all hopelessly addicted. Problem is there are no rehab centers for them, and I feel like if I tried to get them put in one I would be viewed as the crazy one. It's getting harder to deal with it all and I am beginning to feel like a person trapped in a family of alcoholics and I am tempted to reach for my first drink.

Does this make sense to anyone? Anyone have any suggestions?

 

[rsd1200]

Apparently my body handles pain meds differently than addicts. I have been on strong pain meds numerous times and I don't recall any feeling of euphoria or desire to take more than I needed. I was more likely to forget to take them when I was supposed to take them, then regret that. Maybe I'm just lucky. A couple years back I had out patient surgery and was prescribed Norco. My family doctor went nuts about it. He said I had to quit taking them or at least cut them in two because they were highly addictive. He said I would have to get monthly blood tests to make sure I was taking them and not selling them. I didn't even have a month supply of them. I was thinking he needed a pill to calm him down...lol

BBM
Seriously, lol I have a high pain threshold. It affects everyone different. A friend of mine had oral surgery, and she took one 1/2 of a Perc10 and was on. the. couch! Just stupid happy. She didn't develop an addiction though. Just thought it was a weird experience, laughed about it, and moved on. No one much is running Perc and Oxy around here anymore, they've mostly gone to Heroin and Meth. Pills are too hard to come by and the price has dropped to about a dollar a gram. The new coatings make them hard to fool with. No one thought about the fallout before they acted, typical govt., I saw the fallout that would come, others did too, but that's the the govt. for you, when it calls out a War against something, SNAFU.

 

[Dudly]

Dudly you need to add religion to that list. My son and DIL doesn't smoke, drink, take drugs or gamble, but he spends most of his day either reading the Bible or talking about it to anyone who will listen. Religion consumes his life and the lives of his wife and children. Hubby enables him and spends hours on the phone each day talking religion with him. He knows it irritates me so he goes outside or in another room to talk. I am beginning to think they are all hopelessly addicted. Problem is there are no rehab centers for them, and I feel like if I tried to get them put in one I would be viewed as the crazy one. It's getting harder to deal with it all and I am beginning to feel like a person trapped in a family of alcoholics and I am tempted to reach for my first drink.

Does this make sense to anyone? Anyone have any suggestions?

I worked with a guy like that for a short time. I'm not sure he could say a sentence without Jesus or Lord in it. He was a bit on the strange side in other ways. He would stop and check rabbits hit on the road to see if they were fresh enough to take home to eat.
It is interesting how religion is responsible for wars and more deaths than anything else through history, but the whole concept of it is the opposite of that. Religious fanatics can be very dangerous....
I don't know of anyone or group that helps with overly religious people.

 

[Dudly]

BBM
Seriously, lol I have a high pain threshold. It affects everyone different. A friend of mine had oral surgery, and she took one 1/2 of a Perc10 and was on. the. couch! Just stupid happy. She didn't develop an addiction though. Just thought it was a weird experience, laughed about it, and moved on. No one much is running Perc and Oxy around here anymore, they've mostly gone to Heroin and Meth. Pills are too hard to come by and the price has dropped to about a dollar a gram. The new coatings make them hard to fool with. No one thought about the fallout before they acted, typical govt., I saw the fallout that would come, others did too, but that's the the govt. for you, when it calls out a War against something, SNAFU.

My pain threshold is pretty high also having had problems with it since the mid 60s. I sure do not recall any pain med making me feel happy or anything similar...

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I worked with a guy like that for a short time. I'm not sure he could say a sentence without Jesus or Lord in it. He was a bit on the strange side in other ways. He would stop and check rabbits hit on the road to see if they were fresh enough to take home to eat.
It is interesting how religion is responsible for wars and more deaths than anything else through history, but the whole concept of it is the opposite of that. Religious fanatics can be very dangerous....
I don't know of anyone or group that helps with overly religious people.

O/T

I haven't been able to find one Dudly. When I talk to my family about it they are like oh well it could be worse, he could be a drug addict, at least he's not hurting anyone, not even himself. But I don't feel that way. I feel like he is becoming more and more withdrawn from the rest of the world. They have closed off all friends who don't feel the way they do about religion. He has cut out friends he has had since high school. They only socialize with people who are as religious as themselves. I guess what bothers me the most is I feel like I am being closed out also. Because I don't want to listen to it or talk about it, hubby goes outside to talk to him. Don't get me wrong, I am religious also, I believe in God, I just don't let it consume all my time and interest. I get tired of hearing about it, tired of it being the focus of every conversation we as a family have. Two of my adult grandsons feel the same way, but tolerate it better than I do, because they hang right in there with them.

I looked up symptoms of addiction to drugs and it's like they have all of the symptoms except it is religion not drugs. The rest of my family doesn't think it's a problem. Am I the crazy one? Am I the one who is wrong?

 

[rsd1200]

I knew someone in consoling for alcohol. His maternal great grand mother, grand father, three aunts and mother had alcohol abuse problems. He was told that the tendency to be addicted can be hereditary. He was told he would have that tendency his whole life whether it be alcohol, smoking, gambling, or whatever you can get addicted to, it can happen to him.

This is so very true. The same stuff I could walk away from after a hard partying weekend, or week, I had friends and family, who just couldn't. Drugs aren't going away. There is no black and white fix, and at the end of the day, folks who want/need to get high, will get high, someway.

 

[rsd1200]

I knew someone in consoling for alcohol. His maternal great grand mother, grand father, three aunts and mother had alcohol abuse problems. He was told that the tendency to be addicted can be hereditary. He was told he would have that tendency his whole life whether it be alcohol, smoking, gambling, or whatever you can get addicted to, it can happen to him.

This is so very true. The same stuff I could walk away from after a hard partying weekend, or week, I had friends and family, who just couldn't. Drugs aren't going away. There is no black and white fix, and at the end of the day, folks who want/need to get high, will get high, someway.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

My pain threshold is pretty high also having had problems with it since the mid 60s. I sure do not recall any pain med making me feel happy or anything similar...

Same. Pain pills always make me feel gross, any time I’ve been prescribed and had to take them. They never made me feel happy lol maybe happy the pain was lessened. Then again, there’s probably a difference in taking them when you’re in pain and taking them when your body doesn’t need them for pain.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

O/T

I haven't been able to find one Dudly. When I talk to my family about it they are like oh well it could be worse, he could be a drug addict, at least he's not hurting anyone, not even himself. But I don't feel that way. I feel like he is becoming more and more withdrawn from the rest of the world. They have closed off all friends who don't feel the way they do about religion. He has cut out friends he has had since high school. They only socialize with people who are as religious as themselves. I guess what bothers me the most is I feel like I am being closed out also. Because I don't want to listen to it or talk about it, hubby goes outside to talk to him. Don't get me wrong, I am religious also, I believe in God, I just don't let it consume all my time and interest. I get tired of hearing about it, tired of it being the focus of every conversation we as a family have. Two of my adult grandsons feel the same way, but tolerate it better than I do, because they hang right in there with them.

I looked up symptoms of addiction to drugs and it's like they have all of the symptoms except it is religion not drugs. The rest of my family doesn't think it's a problem. Am I the crazy one? Am I the one who is wrong?

EVERYONE is addicted to something. Addiction is bad in any sense because one thing can consume your life, whether it’s legal or illegal.

 

[rsd1200]

Dudly you need to add religion to that list. My son and DIL doesn't smoke, drink, take drugs or gamble, but he spends most of his day either reading the Bible or talking about it to anyone who will listen. Religion consumes his life and the lives of his wife and children. Hubby enables him and spends hours on the phone each day talking religion with him. He knows it irritates me so he goes outside or in another room to talk. I am beginning to think they are all hopelessly addicted. Problem is there are no rehab centers for them, and I feel like if I tried to get them put in one I would be viewed as the crazy one. It's getting harder to deal with it all and I am beginning to feel like a person trapped in a family of alcoholics and I am tempted to reach for my first drink.

Does this make sense to anyone? Anyone have any suggestions?

It does to me Raisin. I am so sorry. I even had a less restrictive family life than many of the other Pentecostal raised children. I think that was b/c of my father, who was raised Methodist. My mother was Full Holiness Pentecostal (but no snakes). All the other kids would be playing and I'd be glued to my seat taking it all in... My mother ties everything back to religion. I used this technique on her a couple three times, but, my understanding of the verse, that I presented is apparently WRONG, and now she looks sad for me. LOLOL I might do a slight nod over my food, in public, whether I'm in a bar, or the local Waffle House, but my mother, goes through the entire, in-home private version, of the "family" dinner prayer, in PUBLIC. It is mortifying. One of the kids was telling a gf about it the other day, how his grandparents would go through the entire prayer, in the local restaurant and he'd see friends coming their way, he'd be like, NOOOO!! Curse words. Oh, my mother could not live here with us. I've cursed in front of her but it wasn't on purpose. We're likely to make up curse words here when we run out of the ones we already know. If a book has one single eff word in it, back to the library it goes, and I get a lecture about how that author could be more realistic. Real people don't talk that way.

I love my mother to pieces, and I'd say she's got her spot marked up there in the great beyond, but, I don't think God micro manages us that much, if so, then that there, gene that helps addictions along, wouldn't exist.

 

[rsd1200]

My pain threshold is pretty high also having had problems with it since the mid 60s. I sure do not recall any pain med making me feel happy or anything similar...

I think I remember it being Dilaudid, that I was given, after a m/c wreck. I thought I was fine when I woke up. I tried to leave the hospital because there was ZERO pain. Now during another time in the hospital, during an emergency, I was given a Morphine drip. I still felt pain, but I didn't care about it. The world seemed as if it was operating in slo-mo. I never cared much for downers.

 

[rsd1200]

O/T

I haven't been able to find one Dudly. When I talk to my family about it they are like oh well it could be worse, he could be a drug addict, at least he's not hurting anyone, not even himself. But I don't feel that way. I feel like he is becoming more and more withdrawn from the rest of the world. They have closed off all friends who don't feel the way they do about religion. He has cut out friends he has had since high school. They only socialize with people who are as religious as themselves. I guess what bothers me the most is I feel like I am being closed out also. Because I don't want to listen to it or talk about it, hubby goes outside to talk to him. Don't get me wrong, I am religious also, I believe in God, I just don't let it consume all my time and interest. I get tired of hearing about it, tired of it being the focus of every conversation we as a family have. Two of my adult grandsons feel the same way, but tolerate it better than I do, because they hang right in there with them.

I looked up symptoms of addiction to drugs and it's like they have all of the symptoms except it is religion not drugs. The rest of my family doesn't think it's a problem. Am I the crazy one? Am I the one who is wrong?

BBM

No, you aren't crazy and you aren't wrong. It's your home, you lay down the rules, and they shouldn't be disrespected. If you don't want to talk about it, you shouldn't have to do so.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Just deleted my story of my personal affair with OPANA.

Big pharma made billions.

Some greedy doctors made 8 figures.

And then foriegn importers sold it to organized groups to bring into the states.

And now it’s harder than anything I’ve ever known to legally squire it legally by prescription.

 

[iridized]

Very thorough article with references to Greenup, KY. https://heroin.palmbeachpost.com It seems as though El Chapo was one step ahead in making sure that the druggies had their fix. Supply chain management and adaptability at its' finest.