UNSOLVED Oh - Pike County: 8 People From One Family Dead As Police Hunt For Killer(s) #33

[almond]

Further proof that the Manley’s, Newsomes, and Hayslips are all linked together.

Billie Smith

Thank you, Mitten!! I guess when the term Family is used we need to broaden our scope. There's almost no degree of separation. I think we would need info on relationships among many, many family members and friends. One thing....I think evil has a hold on a large cluster of people.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

No problem Raisin. I like to toss in the "no snakes", kind of jokingly, but also because I've honestly been asked that question. It's only a very, very, small branch, but, as you probably know, it sells papers and gets clicks. I'm not a counselor, but that's a good idea, and if ya wanna blow of steam in the meantime... Most of my family were raised Holiness Pentecostal. Maybe WS could set up a religious discussion section, oh, no, I don't think that would work very well, on second thought! lol

O/T
BBM

It's only a very, very, small branch, but, as you probably know, it sells papers and gets clicks.
I actually knew a preacher who was a member of one of those churches years ago through my grandfather who was also a preacher. He and his wife had occasion to attend my grandfathers church once as a visiting preacher. They were in eastern MO, but they never had a church per se, they moved around to each members homes because it is illegal there. I remember my grandfather and dad forbidding us to talk to them and telling us that their religion was not what we believed. My grandfather did not let him preach that Sunday and they left the next day.

All of this talk makes me wonder if that church the W's had on their property may have been of a religious sect like the serpent handlers. You know I remember how secretive that preacher and his wife was and that was back in the early 60's. I am thinking it would be much more so now, since they have raided and arrested a lot of the SH Pentecostals. You know I could see it being so since southern Ohio would be in the area where they still exist. If so then they would be a very tight knit secretive bunch. And we have all suspected something strange about that church and the fact that the W's moved to AK to join a preacher who used to be in Ohio. It could fit. RSD do you know if they are any practicing churches in Ohio?

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I was raised Catholic by overly religious parents. My mom spend hours a day praying. We prayed the rosary almost every night as a family. As kids we were going to hell for about everything we did wrong. When I moved out, I wanted nothing to do with religion or church, I had enough of it. Later in life it made me wonder what good it did for them. My mom ended up with Alzheimer's and knew no one or anything for years and dad was totally disabled at age 55 from a broken neck in an accident...

You know we may be on to something with that church on the W's land. For those of us here who were raised in a strict religion (no matter which one) we all know how hard it is to get away from it ( I almost said escape but that's not quite accurate since the chains that bind you are not physical.)

What if the W's church was a sect like that and HMR joined when she started dating JW. If she was a member and SW was born into the church well those of us raised in those strict religious households know what would happen if she tried to take SW out of it. Although the ties that bound us were not physical, there are many churches in existence today where they are, Warren Jeffs and David Koresh comes to mind.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Further proof that the Manley’s, Newsomes, and Hayslips are all linked together.

Billie Smith

So LM's sister was a Newsome, his neice was a Hayslip, his daughter was married to a Rhoden, who had in common with Kerns, who was married to a Newsome and a Hayslip, an aunt and uncle. He has another sister who's name is Boyd which is a name attached to CF who was murdered along with JB.

So that means the Newsomes, Rhodens, Hayslip, and Curt Francis all had family connections to the Manleys. LM has seen a lot of murders in his family. I don't know what to make of this.

My head is spinning.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Thank you, Mitten!! I guess when the term Family is used we need to broaden our scope. There's almost no degree of separation. I think we would need info on relationships among many, many family members and friends. One thing....I think evil has a hold on a large cluster of people.

I agree 100% with all you said. I’m gonna have to create a flow chart for this family tree...it makes my head spin.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

You know we may be on to something with that church on the W's land. For those of us here who were raised in a strict religion (no matter which one) we all know how hard it is to get away from it ( I almost said escape but that's not quite accurate since the chains that bind you are not physical.)

What if the W's church was a sect like that and HMR joined when she started dating JW. If she was a member and SW was born into the church well those of us raised in those strict religious households know what would happen if she tried to take SW out of it. Although the ties that bound us were not physical, there are many churches in existence today where they are, Warren Jeffs and David Koresh comes to mind.

JMO

Myself being raised Southern Baptist, I can see this happening. Although Southern Baptist is not Pentecostal, a lot of the views are the same except there’s no talking in tongues or snakes in the Southern Baptist faith.

I try to keep to myself during religious discussions because I don’t really have anything nice to say. But I will say that Faith and Religion are two totally different things. One is binding and the other is not.

 

[rsd1200]

Thank you, Mitten!! I guess when the term Family is used we need to broaden our scope. There's almost no degree of separation. I think we would need info on relationships among many, many family members and friends. One thing....I think evil has a hold on a large cluster of people.

BBM
Yes, that is my way of usually referring to "family"; Broad. Extended. In-laws and Out-laws. When I'm referring to brothers, sisters, siblings, children, of the deceased, I try to use "close kin" or "immediate family" Not that I don't mess it up or forget. I have a huge tree on this family and it's the only way that I can even come close to keeping up with who is who, much past the deceased's immediate family.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

So LM's sister was a Newsome, his neice was a Hayslip, his daughter was married to a Rhoden, who had in common with Kerns, who was married to a Newsome and a Hayslip, an aunt and uncle. He has another sister who's name is Boyd which is a name attached to CF who was murdered along with JB.

So that means the Newsomes, Rhodens, Hayslip, and Curt Francis all had family connections to the Manleys. LM has seen a lot of murders in his family. I don't know what to make of this.

My head is spinning.

CORRECTION:

I cannot find the article that connected a Boyd to Curtis Francis but did find the name Boyd connected to one of the others so I am going to assume my memory failed me and CF was not connected to a Boyd. So sorry for any confusion.

 

[rsd1200]

Raisinisback

O/T
BBM

It's only a very, very, small branch, but, as you probably know, it sells papers and gets clicks.
I actually knew a preacher who was a member of one of those churches years ago through my grandfather who was also a preacher. He and his wife had occasion to attend my grandfathers church once as a visiting preacher. They were in eastern MO, but they never had a church per se, they moved around to each members homes because it is illegal there. I remember my grandfather and dad forbidding us to talk to them and telling us that their religion was not what we believed. My grandfather did not let him preach that Sunday and they left the next day.

All of this talk makes me wonder if that church the W's had on their property may have been of a religious sect like the serpent handlers. You know I remember how secretive that preacher and his wife was and that was back in the early 60's. I am thinking it would be much more so now, since they have raided and arrested a lot of the SH Pentecostals. You know I could see it being so since southern Ohio would be in the area where they still exist. If so then they would be a very tight knit secretive bunch. And we have all suspected something strange about that church and the fact that the W's moved to AK to join a preacher who used to be in Ohio. It could fit. RSD do you know if they are any practicing churches in Ohio?

JMO

I don't think they were part of that type of church. That part, with all the focus, would have likely gotten out. Especially in the beginning. The church in AK, I'm pretty sure is run by some long time friends of the W family. The pastor that is in that church now, is the son of the missionary who founded it, and pastored in Ohio, and worked another job, in Ohio, as well. I get more of a Hellfire and Brimstone, southern Baptist feel off them, definitely evangelical, but no snakes. I would see them believing them, if they Ws did this, and told a good cover story, and possibly taking them in for that reason, say protection, but not sheltering the murderers of eight people, one a child, just because they were parishioners. Anyone can be deceived by a friend or family member whom they care about, and WANT to believe.

It's their faith, I won't speak down about it, but, it's not personal belief. I feel it's a misunderstood segment taken from the Bible. We have a couple sects left here, but this is as of 2013. :

The most recent statistics in 2013, show that a figure of roughly 125 snake-handling churches can still be found in the United States from central Florida to West Virginia and as far west as Columbus, Ohio, as well as across the border in Edmonton and British Columbia.

America's Last Snake-handling Cults

 

[rsd1200]

You know we may be on to something with that church on the W's land. For those of us here who were raised in a strict religion (no matter which one) we all know how hard it is to get away from it ( I almost said escape but that's not quite accurate since the chains that bind you are not physical.)

What if the W's church was a sect like that and HMR joined when she started dating JW. If she was a member and SW was born into the church well those of us raised in those strict religious households know what would happen if she tried to take SW out of it. Although the ties that bound us were not physical, there are many churches in existence today where they are, Warren Jeffs and David Koresh comes to mind.

JMO

I think I know which church that HMR was in, around the time that she became pregnant/had S. I don't see it as a sect or cult. Old Southern Baptist? Probably very likely.

 

[Betty P]

So LM's sister was a Newsome, his neice was a Hayslip, his daughter was married to a Rhoden, who had in common with Kerns, who was married to a Newsome and a Hayslip, an aunt and uncle. He has another sister who's name is Boyd which is a name attached to CF who was murdered along with JB.

So that means the Newsomes, Rhodens, Hayslip, and Curt Francis all had family connections to the Manleys. LM has seen a lot of murders in his family. I don't know what to make of this.

My head is spinning.

And LM was very clear when he said LE needs to stop covering things up. He's in a tough spot - angry that so many of his relatives have been killed, but fearful possibly because LE hasn't arrested the killers (because they're working with LE?) and speaking out makes LM and his family potential targets. JMO, they're caught in the middle. LM may suspect who killed the Rhoden family, but he faces two risks if he goes higher up the LE chain of command:

LM and/or someone in his family gets killed

or

LE tries to frame them for the Rhoden murders

It must be very frustrating trying to live in a community/extended family where people are murdering each other, but LE isn't doing much to stop it. He's not the only one in that position. People down there are paralyzed with fear, living with an open secret but unable to tell anyone for fear of being killed, imprisoned, having their property confiscated, losing their job, etc.

 

[Betty P]

I think I know which church that HMR was in, around the time that she became pregnant/had S. I don't see it as a sect or cult. Old Southern Baptist? Probably very likely.

Or non-denominational? A church that gives the appearance of being connected to mainstream Christian-type religion, but makes up their own rules and practices. They may not think what they're doing is wrong and may not see themselves as some kind of cult or sect, but... There's a lot of strange stuff in the Christian Bible that people easily misinterpret on their own.

For example, some may find a justification somewhere in the Bible for drug trafficking or arranged marriages or any number of things. It's been done before.

Pastor at Boston church charged with drug trafficking

List of religious leaders convicted of crimes - Wikipedia

ETA: I just had another thought. I hope I'm wrong, but it's already been going on in Ross & Scioto Counties: sex trafficking.

ETA2: To clarify, I doubt this would be the case with the local Union Hill Church whose pastor has been visible in trying to solve the Rhoden Murders and help the family. I'm referring to the possibility of churches linked to the extended W family.

 

[Betty P]

I'd highly recommend it. Kentucky's bluebloods were having a blast, there were two detectives, in the narcotics division at Lexington Ky, LED. They led what was called, "The Company" a drug smuggling ring in Kentucky. One of the agents has always been suspected of the murder of a Senator's daughter whose body has never been found. He was released from prison not long ago. It was something else.

The book is also a good reminder of how the horse breeding community has long been populated with shady people and has a long history of criminal activity in the US.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Raisinisback



I don't think they were part of that type of church. That part, with all the focus, would have likely gotten out. Especially in the beginning. The church in AK, I'm pretty sure is run by some long time friends of the W family. The pastor that is in that church now, is the son of the missionary who founded it, and pastored in Ohio, and worked another job, in Ohio, as well. I get more of a Hellfire and Brimstone, southern Baptist feel off them, definitely evangelical, but no snakes. I would see them believing them, if they Ws did this, and told a good cover story, and possibly taking them in for that reason, say protection, but not sheltering the murderers of eight people, one a child, just because they were parishioners. Anyone can be deceived by a friend or family member whom they care about, and WANT to believe.

It's their faith, I won't speak down about it, but, it's not personal belief. I feel it's a misunderstood segment taken from the Bible. We have a couple sects left here, but this is as of 2013. :



America's Last Snake-handling Cults

Well if handling snakes is the criteria for getting into Heaven, the Good Lord is just going to have to let me walk through the Pearly Gates in my snakeskin boots, because there is no way I am touching a live rattlesnake. lol

 

[rsd1200]

Well if handling snakes is the criteria for getting into Heaven, the Good Lord is just going to have to let me walk through the Pearly Gates in my snakeskin boots, because there is no way I am touching a live rattlesnake. lol

My Momma can grab her snakeskin purse from the 50s and hang on, as up she goes!! No snakes for her, venomous, non-venomous, living or dead. Snakes don't bother me. They're more afraid of us than we should be of them. I think it's cruel to keep them in those cages and fling them around in the services and then stick them back in a cage. It's a slow death and unnatural existence. IMO, it's a highly misinterpreted scripture in the Bible, but, it's their belief, not mine.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Thank you, Mitten!! I guess when the term Family is used we need to broaden our scope. There's almost no degree of separation. I think we would need info on relationships among many, many family members and friends. One thing....I think evil has a hold on a large cluster of people.

Mitten

You my friend are brilliant. I am finishing my thoughts on the segment s I’ve been doing to explain my theory. If you get time critique it. If I can I’ll put it together. I’ve been reading researching this since it was first in the news.


I added in all the conflict I have learned as well and added emotions.
Mi didn’t know about Billie smith though. My aunt is an ANP and at iver 80 she still volunteers from Columbus to Piketon twice a month.

She explained how poor the area is and some of the other issues. I took my grand daughter through there via back back back road so she would appreciate how fortunate we are. There was one road (I pinky swear this is true) that narrowed down to a single lane. I thought it was a cow path but ther were road signs. Well there was grass up the middle and people were out with the old rotary push mowers cutting it in the middle of the road. She was in an old bra and bloomers. She had to be a hundred tears old and 13 kids playing with string and balls. Some were swimming in a huge oval horse trough. Anyway it was a learning day for both me and my grand daughter. Beautiful kind people we wound up on a front porch swing drinking mint lemonade.peaches was the old lady’s name and I wound up buying a quart if homemade moonshine. One sip knocked me for a Loop later that night.


When we finally had to leave my granddaughter was filthy at we were in business.
I got into a cooler in the back of the suv and left her 4 huge salmon fillets. Peaches got tears and gave me a big hug and a “pint” of her best shine. It was truly a great day and she had fun just meeting a woman from Alaska.

My granddaughter told her mother ther in the phone that we had been through a time warp

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Or non-denominational? A church that gives the appearance of being connected to mainstream Christian-type religion, but makes up their own rules and practices. They may not think what they're doing is wrong and may not see themselves as some kind of cult or sect, but... There's a lot of strange stuff in the Christian Bible that people easily misinterpret on their own.

For example, some may find a justification somewhere in the Bible for drug trafficking or arranged marriages or any number of things. It's been done before.

Pastor at Boston church charged with drug trafficking

List of religious leaders convicted of crimes - Wikipedia

ETA: I just had another thought. I hope I'm wrong, but it's already been going on in Ross & Scioto Counties: sex trafficking.

ETA2: To clarify, I doubt this would be the case with the local Union Hill Church whose pastor has been visible in trying to solve the Rhoden Murders and help the family. I'm referring to the possibility of churches linked to the extended W family.

The churches are affiliated and if I recall correctly the two pastors are related. And are both members of a militia. The two churches are affiliated with ultra conservative ideals. Very tight knit.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I agree 100% with all you said. I’m gonna have to create a flow chart for this family tree...it makes my head spin.

I’ve been working on flow chartThen the darn thing grew so big it “FLOWED” off the edges of my legal pad. I Taped it.

 

[Betty P]

The churches are affiliated and if I recall correctly the two pastors are related. And are both members of a militia. The two churches are affiliated with ultra conservative ideals. Very tight knit.

BBM

That's very interesting. Any idea which militia? A very strong possibility this could have been the hit team for the Rhoden Massacre. They would likely have access to the necessary equipment and may have spent time drilling and rehearsing. Makes more sense than local druggies.

Hutaree? Christian Patriot movement?

Christian Identity church, close to home, preaches white supremacy

Ohio has had a real problem with these groups for many, many years.

According to the article above, there's a chapter in Bainbridge, OH. The leader is originally from Chillicothe. Maybe they're the "guns for hire", only because these groups usually target minorities and Jews for their hate crimes.

If true, the FBI is already aware of them. So what is taking so long to arrest everyone?

 

[MittenScarpetta]

BBM

That's very interesting. Any idea which militia? A very strong possibility this could have been the hit team for the Rhoden Massacre. They would likely have access to the necessary equipment and may have spent time drilling and rehearsing. Makes more sense than local druggies.

Google Olson and the Michigan Militia. The Michigan Militia was linked to the OKC bombings. At one point that Militia occupied the majority of the Michigan counties. After they were linked to the OKC bombings, most of the members left the Militia, but the ones that stayed moved to....Alaska. Where they are still in operation today.