OH - Pike County: 8 People From One Family Dead As Police Hunt For Killer(s) #35 *Arrests*

[IceIce9]

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[rsd1200]

I recall recently a girl died from withdrawal in a jail cell, no one helped her!!! Can't remember where it happened. Found it.....
Nevada jail death: Guards disobeyed department policies, documents ...

https://www.cbsnews.com/.../nevada-jail-death-kelly-coltrain-guards-disobeyed-depart...
Sep 5, 2018 - The family of a woman who died inside a Nevada county jail says guards ... She was suffering painful drug withdrawals, reports CBS News ... Coltrain spent much of her final day convulsing and throwing up in her jail cell.

It does happen, but when you look at the vast numbers of people who through withdrawal alone, and/or through jail, the vast majority survive it, with better odds than they survive continued addiction to Heroin or Alcohol. Most addicts won't go to a treatment center. They'll try and detox in a motel room or someone's home.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Not exactly the respectable family they tried to make us think, then.

Pike County: Father accused in Rhoden massacre faced prior felonies

Angela is also a felon for receiving stolen property. Wasn't she also charged for stealing boots from the Rocky Boot factory and then tampering with evidence?

 

[rsd1200]

Able bodied enough to commit mass murder but on social security and food stamps. Can afford a round trip to Alaska but get social security and food stamps. ( gas in the Yukon sold for $4.35 per liter. I might be wrong but I think there’s 3.785/ gal.

The trucks they drove suck gas or diesel. So a gallon of unleaded is $16.47. I can’t recall diesel but it was much more.
Mans they were pulling loads.

Can afford ammo

Electronics

Atvs

Horse involved excursions but on social security and food stamps.

Does anyone know why?

Animal pyramid schemes, and FW probably did bail them out, now that I think about. Just under the table so that the locals wouldn't know how unsuccessful that they were.

 

[rsd1200]

It is possible both are true. IF HR called her to tell her Jake took SW she would have been upset but also would have known SW was safe with the W's as they obviously would not have hurt her. So she might have went on to the party thinking she or CR1 would deal with the W's in the morning.

JMO

Again, We just don't know.

 

[IceIce9]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/85231530


Pike County: 'That's all we've got left. Just those kids’



Samantha Robinson still isn’t sure who handed Ruger Rhoden to her on the chaotic morning of April 22.

But she cradled the 6-month-old, covered in his parents' blood, for three hours on Union Hill Road. He drifted to sleep as his older brother — who is her grandson — played in the car’s backseat, before child protective authorities took him from her.

Perhaps, she ponders now, that was her purpose on the devastating day that left Ruger and his 5-day-old cousin, Kylie Rhoden, orphans.

“I didn’t know what else to do,’’ she said. “At one point, Ruger started fussing and I told him everything would be OK.”


She knew it wouldn’t.

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[Gunslinging Granny]

Now we know why the Boot company filed charges against her and BW. They were probably stealing and selling the boots.

JMO

Two years ago, I found a news article about this. I can't find it today. Angela and another female were stealing boots from the factory and reselling them. They were caught and then disposed of some of the evidence.

 

[Spellbound]

Pike County investigation: 8 deaths and multiple arrests were tied to one key factor — child custody

Sophia Wagner is spending her fifth birthday today in the custody of Children Service

They [Wagners] were known in the community for vast property holdings. This includes the 2,000-acre Flying W Farm atop a hill outside Lucasville that is the headquarters of a key family business: exotic animals. On the farm, Fredericka has spent a lifetime breeding prize miniature horses, some of which became among the most renowned in the country. In 1986, a fire killed 20 of the horses valued at nearly $1 million, archival news coverage shows.

A few years later, the family entered another business: breeding miniature Vietnamese pot-bellied pigs, reportedly worth between $1,000 and $20,000 apiece. In 1991, Fredericka was accused in three federal lawsuits of racketeering. According to the lawsuits, the pigs were advertised as “the very best in Vietnamese Pot Bellied pigs” when “in fact, the pigs did not meet the standard of fitness represented,” the plaintiffs alleged. The cases did not go to trial.

Currently, the farm sells a trademark breed of dog developed by Fredericka Wagner, according to the farm’s web site. The prices ranges from $1,800 to $2,100, the web site says.

The four started conspiring in January 2016, court records allege. In the following months they bought “specific shoes from Walmart,” as well as the materials to build one or more “brass catchers” and silencers, ammunition, a magazine clip, and a “bug” detector.

“They obviously went to great lengths in this case,” said Dan Baker, a retired homicide detective from the Dayton police department, after reviewing the indictments.

He said a brass catcher is commonly a mesh bag that hooks onto the side of a rifle such as an AR-15 and catches spent cartridges.

“These killers, if used, wanted to not leave any spent cartridges,” Baker said. “Even though the bullets are recovered, prints and DNA are more likely found on the cartridges due to hand loading. So, they did not want to leave the cartridges.”

He said an off-the-shelf bug detector helps someone find listening devices and sometimes create white noise to muffle sounds or discussion.

The indictments also say the killers closely monitored the victims, their habits and sleeping routines, sleeping locations, social media accounts, layout of their homes and surveillance devices, and pets on the property.

More at link, re previous legal issues, custody disoute, Move to Alaska and back, and much more

 

[Johnny B Bad]

We all discussed this at length right after LM's interview. We too were stumped as to why PCSO would side against HR and the R's in favor of the W'S. We speculated at the time it was because of granny's money and influence in the area.

But we now know the W's had a forged custody document. It's possible that document stated he was the custodial parent.

JMO

Everyone thinks that Angela is the master minds but who has all the money and power to keep local police on her side? FW.

 

[CIA Team Member]

I heard the custody part but I was thinking the wrong people. I thought he meant the woman who was charged with slapping CRjr. I thought she was worried about custody of HER child because of the charges. She supposedly called DR and threatened her. I thought he meant she and her backers might have done the murders. In hindsight, he was right but he just didn't name anyone...

I clearly remember that information as well. All thought it was the slapping lady's child custody issue.

 

[CIA Team Member]

Why was someone on Social Security at that time?

Anyone can apply at any age. It's just dependant upon the attorney who was hired to get it through. Most don't file themselves, attorney's are paid a percentage upon approval of said approval.

 

[IceIce9]

These words came out of Angela’s mouth, when she knew that her family was responsible for the deaths of the Rhodens:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/85231530

Regardless of what happens, Kylie and Sophia are now, and forever will be, at least half-sisters.

The girls share a bond: They lost the same mommy.

"They need each other,'' said Wagner's mom, Angela Wagner. "When they get old enough to understand, they will really need each other.”



When they get old enough to understand! They will understand that the evil Wagner family killed their mommy, their uncles, and their grandparents.

 

[CIA Team Member]

Thank you Charlie. I am already out of my free passes with this news website and hate to subscribe for a couple of articles.

Clear your cookies or go incognito.

 

[CIA Team Member]

I wonder who was getting Social Security? I do not think that FW was throwing $$$ at them. From the overheads, and address records, it appears they lived in a home on the farm, and, later, the boys put a trailer there, for themselves, until they purchased the home on Peterson. Then the whole lot of them moved to Peterson.

i'm gonna guess it's AW. More than likely from her time in the service. ??? IMO

 

[JusMeJim]

Why was someone on Social Security at that time?

At their age it would have to be S.S. Disability

 

[Roxy Shayne]

Why was someone on Social Security at that time?

I read that they home schooled their kids. You can get SS for a child if that child has been diagnosed with a learning disability, ADHD, ect. This could be why they were getting SS. JMO.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM

I also believe LE was told it was the Waggies the very first day.

LM told us all the very first day it was the W"s. We just didn't listen. From day one LM said in a news interview it was over child custody but the absolute horror that someone could go from house to house and massacre an entire branch of a family over child custody was beyond our comprehension at that time.

LM also told us after the raids he didn't think there would be an arrest during his lifetime "unless they find something really good down there (Flying W Farm)".

Poor LM. I am so glad he got to see the arrests and pray he and Jdy will get to see justice carried out. GnvaR also.


JMO

I believed LM from the beginning. The timing of it was suspicious. Just after baby K arrives home from hospital yet Sophia wasn't there was too much of a coincidence. If just Hanna had been murdered, custody would likely go to DR because the children lived in her home and were half-sisters.

 

[Seattle1]

I had a request to copy and paste this article, I hope I am allowed to do this on this site? I think this is important to read.

The arrogance in the quotes from Jake and Angela- just totally beyond belief. In my opinion.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/85231530


No family members interviewed by the Enquirer have seen Kylie or Ruger since that mournful morning.


They have missed Kylie's first coos and maybe even Ruger's first steps. Family members say they routinely call Pike County Children Services to check on them; they are told the babies are doing well.

But no one in the family knows where the babies are or with whom. They don’t know if the little cousins are together or apart.

Some can't help but wonder if the babies will recognize them. Others wonder if whoever is caring for the babies shows them photos of their parents or talks about them.

Still others can't bring themselves to say it.
But it's there, just under the surface: What happens if investigators never solve the case, now headed into its seventh week with no known motive, suspects or arrests?

The system most certainly can't take the place of family,'' said Tracy Cook, executive director of ProKids. "There are just layers of complexities with a companion criminal case. The county is in the role of assessing any potential threats."

Having said that, though, doesn't make the situation any less painful, said Cook, whose agency advocates for kids in the child protection system.

Juvenile court judges and magistrates must weigh facts, must consider the needs of the children and then work to arrive at a decision that is in the best interest of the children. Often times, that means supervised visits with family members or coming up with creative solutions so kids like Kylie and Ruger don't lose complete contact with their family -- especially at such an early age in their development.

"There is no way these kids aren't traumatized,'' Cook said. "You are talking about bonds being broken ... That's the tragedy of the tragedy.

"I think the brutality of the reality is that these kids are without their families and the families are without the kids,'' she said.

"It's totally heartbreaking."

Inside the Rhoden investigation: Scientists work with cops
Kylie's unanswered question

In the abyss of unanswered and seemingly never-ending questions, one answer may come soon for Kylie: The name of her daddy.

No father's name is listed on her birth certificate. Family and friends say her mom had been in three on-again, off-again relationships during the time in which Kylie was conceived. And two of those men said they will take paternity tests, perhaps as soon as this week, to determine paternity. They both want to raise the baby girl.

Jake Wagner, 23, said there's a 50/50 chance he's Kylie's father. He and Hanna Rhoden dated for nearly three years before they welcomed her half-sister, Sophia, now 2 1/2 years old. If Wagner is her father, that would mean her half-sister would become
her full sister.

And there is nothing Wagner would like more, he said, fondly recalling how he pulled the tiny sock off her itty, bitty foot shortly after she was born on April 17. He was checking for a hammer index toe: A Wagner family trait.

He's almost sure, he said, that he saw that bend. It's the hope he holds onto these days.

But if he isn't Kylie's dad, and if the courts deem another man suitable to care for her, he will step aside -- at least partially.

"I'm not going to take her," Wagner said. "But I will want mandatory visitation in order to see her regularly."

He wants to ensure she gets to know her tow-headed big sister who loves tea parties, getting her fingernails painted and swinging and playing on the extensive play areas Wagner has built at their house. It's a home where Wagner once hoped Hanna Rhoden would come back eventually, bringing Kylie.

Regardless of what happens, Kylie and Sophia are now, and forever will be, at least half-sisters.

The girls share a bond: They lost the same mommy.

"They need each other,'' said Wagner's mom, Angela Wagner. "When they get old enough to understand, they will really need each other.

Charlie Gilley, 21, has never held Kylie. But he aches to, he said. He's seen pictures of her.

"Have you seen her photo? She looks just like me,'' he beamed. "Don't you think?"

He, too, has hired a lawyer. And just like Wagner, he is awaiting the material needed to have his DNA tested to establish paternity.

"It kills me every day that I can't see her. That she's with complete strangers. I can't stand the thought of it.

"I just can't wait to hold her," he said. "I know she's mine."

So is the man who might be Kylie's great-grandfather, Kenny Shoemaker: "Have you seen her nose? She's got my nose ... poor little thing."

Gilley and Hanna Rhoden had stopped seeing each other for about a month when she discovered she was pregnant using a store-bought test in the bathroom stall of a Wal-Mart.

He had wildly mixed emotions at the thought of being a father back then.

"It was scary. I was nervous,'' he said.

Hanna Rhoden and he "went our separate ways but I told her I'd be there for her."

He saw her occasionally, her belly growing bigger each time. In late September or early October, she sent him an ultrasound image of Kylie as a fetus.

Learning how to be a mom: Ruger's story

Gilley is so confident that he is Kylie's dad that he and an older sister, Meranda Gilley, have rented a four-bedroom house. They have painted it and fixed it up in hopes they will bring Kylie home one day soon along with Ruger Rhoden, he said. It's even near a daycare and not far from their jobs, he said.

Ruger's mom, Hannah Gilley, was their sister.

Meranda Gilley is also working with a lawyer in hopes of winning custody of her nephew, who was the light of her sister's life.

Hannah Gilley adored the baby and only once let someone watch him. She nursed Ruger and found leaving him nearly impossible, said her paternal grandmother Glenna Gilley.

"She absolutely adored him. He was just starting to sit up and crawl. She was so proud of him," she said.

Ruger visited her home with his mom and aunt on the Wednesday before the killings.

Hannah Gilley was "learning to be a mom" and doted on both him and his older half-brother Brentley, whom she considered her son as well.

Both grandparents worry the babies will forget them the longer the case drags out. They worry Ruger was having a difficult time adjusting to a bottle.

"Whoever has them, I just hope they show them picture of us," Glenna Gilley said. "I don't want him to forget us."

Tony Rhoden can't help but worry about that, too. And he vowed he and all the Rhodens will remain involved in their lives.

Recently, he made a special trip out to visit Samantha Robinson, grandmother of Ruger's 3-year-old half-brother Brentley. Brentley is the son of Frankie Rhoden and Chelsea Robinson, who is Samantha Robinson's daughter.

Tony Rhoden asked her if he can remain in Brentley's life.

"That day, we talked for hours. We cried and we laughed,'' Robinson said. "Mostly we cried."

Tony Rhoden told her he would be there for Brentley: "He said he'll be even closer to him now," Robinson said.

And she said she would never keep her grandson from his great uncles, aunts or cousins.

"I told him don't be scared about that,'' she said.

"We are family,'' she said, "And no one can change that."

Chris Graves is the Enquirer's local columnist. You can reach her at [email protected] or on Twitter @chrisgraves. Carrie Cochran is a photojournalist at the Enquirer. You can reach her at [email protected].

Was this archived article? I've posted several articles stating that Jake Wagner was NOT the father of the newborn that was present at the scene of crime when HR murdered. I've long believed the fact that HR was pregnant when she broke up with Jake also fueled the murder plan that this violent family was hatching. MOO

Seattle1 said: ↑
In September 2015, Wagner said Rhoden broke off the relationship, but he said they decided to share custody and parenting of Sophia.

Prosecutors say Wagner and his family started planning the killings just four months later.

Rhoden was pregnant at the time with her second daughter, who was 4 days old when her mother was slain. Wagner is not that child’s father. Two other children were present at that death scene, a 3-year-old and a 6-month-old. All the young children were left unharmed. [BBM]
Pike County murders: Court docs reveal custody battle at heart of killings

 

[Roxy Shayne]

I read on another forum who has custody of KR and HGG's son. I checked it out on fb and there is a picture posted of the children in 2017 and it matches up. I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed to post here who that is. If I'm wrong, let me know and I will post what I found.

 

[Satchie]

Was this archived article? I've posted several articles stating that Jake Wagner was NOT the father of the newborn that was present at the scene of crime when HR murdered. I've long believed the fact that HR was pregnant when she broke up with Jake also fueled the murder plan that this violent family was hatching. MOO

Seattle1 said: ↑
In September 2015, Wagner said Rhoden broke off the relationship, but he said they decided to share custody and parenting of Sophia.

Prosecutors say Wagner and his family started planning the killings just four months later.

Rhoden was pregnant at the time with her second daughter, who was 4 days old when her mother was slain. Wagner is not that child’s father. Two other children were present at that death scene, a 3-year-old and a 6-month-old. All the young children were left unharmed. [BBM]
Pike County murders: Court docs reveal custody battle at heart of killings

Paternity of the 5 day old was determined after the massacre. At the time of the murders, her paternity was unknown.

"No father's name is listed on her birth certificate. Family and friends say her mom had been in three on-again, off-again relationships during the time in which Kylie was conceived. And two of those men said they will take paternity tests, perhaps as soon as this week, to determine paternity. They both want to raise the baby girl." Pike County: 'That's all we've got left. Just those kids.'

I agree, anger at her 'cheating' on him could also have fuelled the murders.