OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #4

[Betty P]

Thanks for all the info you guys. After what I've read this morning, I think it's time to call in the Feds and the DEA and the Justice Dept - all coming in from Washington. Not locals. Local police should surrender all the evidence and retire to the coffee shop.

According to DeWine's statements yesterday, they are using FBI and DEA. Not a high visibility presence, though, MOO.

Bringing forward a link from last night to a local tv interview with a retired DEA agent who worked in Southern Ohio for many years and is familiar with drug gangs

http://local12.com/news/local/dea-veteran-weighs-in-on-pike-county-murders

Russ Neville joined the Drug Enforcement Administration in August 1985. When he retired in 2012, he was the resident agent in charge of the Cincinnati DEA office. He has battled drug dealers all over the world.

When he heard details of the Pike County murders, he formed a theory, "It was definitely professional. You have four locations pinpointed. Surveilled, mapped out. This is something those houses and those families have been watched, they know what time they go to bed they know what time they got up, they knew what their daily activities were. They knew the entry to get in the fastest and how to get out."

With the news that the security cameras at the fourth crime scene (Kenneth Rhoden) were dismantled, it seems very likely this was a professional hit.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3563851/Surveillance-cameras-set-inside-home-Ohio-massacre-victim-paranoid-security-helped-identify-killers-removed-murderers.html

 

[Tillicum]

Were most of these "D" properties -- that is what I saw and were distressed properties.

re look like he did it and committed suicide.

I think that is what happened moo

"We still don't know how many were in bed for sure"

How, is releasing that gonna comproimise the investigation? It is just dumb in my little brain.....................how does that make me "found", oh no they know 3 were in bed ... how does that compomise jack s&&t

its BS and I think it goes back to pre internet .......

Let's say there was more than one shooter. Or maybe several involved but only 1 or 2 did the actual shooting. What if one of them wants to come clean and talk to LE? Maybe one of them talked to a spouse or friend and that person goes to LE with information? The way for LE to determine if the info is true is by holding info back from all of us now. What if prosecution wanted to use this witness's testimony at trial? All the defense has to do is show the info was already made public knowledge and suggest the witness was only repeating what they read at WS

 

[Pheasant]

I think the D properties mean delinquent. Like nobody had paid the property taxes on them

D is a grade for the condition.

 

[CARIIS]

I can understand the time gap, I can understand her calling her dad first especially if it was obvious they were dead.

What I don't understand:

I think she knew at least about Frankie sand Hannah and Chris and Gary when she called but didn't tell about all four.

I think cops figured out she knew about at least four, and went in. Hopefully she had the children out.

Also the time of death.. That could be very narrow with some of them if Dana being on social media pretty late, is true. Bobby could have literally come up on the scene a very short time after they left.

Again, the BCI questioned the person that discovered the bodies, a relative and then the local police came back and were very aggressive with questioning her at 3 am. Unless they really thought there was something major, that is just mean to do to a family member and family that has just gone through that. BCI has been heading up the investigation from the beginning, I can't imagine they would say go out and question her like this just because they wanted more info.

The reports they have released are reflecting what we were told the first day and what they released seems to be different because they likely weren't told everything.

They aren't addressing those differences for whatever reason, but we have seen with this DA it isn't odd he doesn't address some discrepancy.

I think if Bobby had told them about 4 it would have brought about a bigger response quicker.

I also have to wonder, if they know all these relatives are dead 1/2 a mile from them, why aren't they worried about their safety? I would be very worried about the safety of anyone anywhere and especially if we were hanging around the area waiting on cops.

I also think some of the time between and why Bobby was there every day was her involved with the grow operations and she was trying to minimize her involvement.

Now if she didn't get the kids out of the trailer, that's other questions I have. But the main question I have is why didn't she tell about 4 and my theory is, the cops had that question too, because they realized during the early investigation that morning and day, that she knew and didn't get there immediately and find Chris and call and she told them she did.

They won't know time of death immediately, but they can have an idea if something happened in the last hour or it was 5 hours before.

Like I said, if it was true that Dana was on social media until 2:50 am and Bobby got there at 7 am, that is a pretty tiny window and at least the people in Dana's couldn't have been dead long.

Like I said, all this makes the second questioning at 3 AM make sense and I could see Bobby totally uninvolved but making herself look suspicious for what ends up being logical reasons and the DA not addressing the issues here for whatever reason.

But there is a "distance" issue . 2 4 9 victims cant change how far resources have to come from

 

[Pearline]

According to DeWine's statements yesterday, they are using FBI and DEA. Not a high visibility presence, though, MOO.

Bringing forward a link from last night to a local tv interview with a retired DEA agent who worked in Southern Ohio for many years and is familiar with drug gangs

http://local12.com/news/local/dea-veteran-weighs-in-on-pike-county-murders



With the news that the security cameras at the fourth crime scene (Kenneth Rhoden) were dismantled, it seems very likely this was a professional hit.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...elped-identify-killers-removed-murderers.html

My mind is leaning that way, too. This case is so frustrating. I understand the reasoning behind not saying too much publicly by DeWine, but it seems as though they were also hedging on releasing public document requests to media as well. I just can't see this being someone unsophisticated from the area who could pull off a mass murder and leave nothing behind. The fact that the AG is literally begging for information tells me that they really don't have a lot to go on as far as trace evidence.

 

[black_squirrel]

OK here is my theory. I call it the 5+3 theory.

It seemed that all 4 locations had security dogs roaming around, some of them vicious. Also, at some of the locations, if not all, there were no signs of forced entry. If one person or one
group of people killed all 8 people, they probably visited those 4 places on a regular basis. This makes the group of possible suspects very small. I would say, it basically would only
include family members. With the illegal pot growing operations, I would think that not many people would be invited to come over. So the people involved all are related to the victims (cousin's, married into the family). Let me call this the "extended Rhoden family". So my theory is that there is a feud within the extended Rhoden family. There may be 2 sides but it is not
exactly clear who is on which side. There are two accounts for funeral arrangements on some funding website. One account is for Dana and her children and grandchildren.
The other one is for the "original Rhoden's", Gary, Kenneth and Chris Sr. So perhaps the fault line runs between these two groups. Among the victims,
Dana, Chris Jr., Frankie, and the two Hanna's are on one side, and Gary Kenneth and Chris Sr. are on the other. The second group has ties to Kentucky.

There may have been a major disagreement about money between the two camps. It may have been related to the pot growing and other illegal activities. There may have
been violent confrontations and threats before the night of the murders. Manley does at one point mention that there was tension since the beginning of the year in some interview, IIRC.
This all exploded on the night of the murder. I speculate that Frankie and Chris Jr. were the targets of an initial planned attack. They have been confrontational in the past, also with family members.
The women may have been killed because they were witnesses. Later that night, some people in the Peebles clan found out about the murders and concluded that Chris Sr., Gary and Kenneth were involved and retaliated.

Of course this is just a theory. It is not clear exactly how the fault line lies (if there is any). It could also be a 6+2 theory or 7+1 theory. But the main thesis is that not all murders were committed by the same person/group. But that there was a number of homicides, causing a retaliation with more homicides.

 

[Betty P]

And a a full moon that night! This is good information.

Yes helpful, but notice it was also overcast. That said, it seems likely the killers were able to see fairly well. They planned this very well, mapped everything out, did their research, learned the habits of all the families at all the locations, etc. For all the work they had to do at 4 different crime scenes, they got in and out very quickly without being seen or leaving much evidence. Professionals, IMO.

 

[CARIIS]

I'm thinking it would be easier for evil doers to skulk up to and around the residences in the moonlight instead of a dark night

speculation alert speculatiom alert !

Substance abuse is obviously an issue here in this town. Being passed out from something might account for the notion that noone hears anything .......speculation alert speculatiom alert !


Like I said, if it was true that Dana was on social media until 2:50 am how do we know this??

 

[cujenn81]

I found something interesting when I was looking at DR fb. She posts cars all over the place and sometimes she uses a Piketon area code number and the others times even in the same thread she uses a Lucasville number. While reading comments on a post that had several cars for sale, someone asked where she was located. Before DR answered, HR answered and said Lucasville. I was already curious about the car selling because some pictures are in a parking lot that you can tell is for auto sales and some are at one of the Rhoden homes. So I decided to google the phone number and it comes up as Scioto River Trading Company. I then went to their website and they have a sign with the same number as well as a car with that number on it. It may be nothing, but I think there is more to this car selling that multiple family members push on fb. I went to Ohio Secretary of State to see who owned the business but I'm not going to say because I think it would be against the rules. Here is a link that shows some details about the company... Which was not incorporated to sell cars.
http://listings.findthecompany.com/l/32023287/Scioto-River-Trading-Company-in-Lucasville-OH



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Good eye, Dayna. Yes, that rabbit hole appears to lead to some shady, shady bizzzznass.

 

[Hilda Swenson]

Link to Weather Underground historical page for Piketon on Friday, April 22. Shows actual, civil, nautical, and astronomical sunrise times, as well as weather that day.

https://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KILN/2016/4/22/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Piketon&req_state=OH&req_statename=Ohio&reqdb.zip=45661&reqdb.magic=1&reqdb.wmo=99999

Another here: http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/columbus

My Wunderground phone app has "first light" which is helpful.

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[Sunday]

Good eye, Dayna. Yes, that rabbit hole appears to lead to some shady, shady bizzzznass.

Laundering op?

 

[Pearline]

Does anyone have any knowledge of how you would title and tag a salvage title automobile?

 

[ScotsPaddy]

Doesnt have to be a professional, someone known to the family would have had an idea of their routines and properties, i dont think it was a single person either.

If the shots were heard just before sunrise i wonder if B was supposed to have been a victim also?.

 

[Everyday Grace]

How long a drive is

1560 State Route 56 SW
P.O. Box 365
London, Ohio 43140

to crime scene - this is BCI location!!

Approx. 80-90 miles from London BCI HQ to 4077 Union Hill Road. Two best routes are 10 mile differences, but only 1-2 minute differences in travel time. Travel time roughly 1.5 hrs depending upon speed, traffic, weather, etc.

BCI also has a field unit in Athens, OH that has Crime Scene Units. The distance from Athens to 4077 Union Hill Road is approx. 80-85 miles so more or less equal travel time as from London.

CSUs could have been dispatched to Pike County from either location, or even both.

 

[KKearns]

I'm from southern Ohio, so I'm engrossed in this case. Didn't we read early on that Dana got off work at 11p and was posting on FB at 2 a.m. - I know I'm not making this up! Can't keep it all straight!

She got off work at 11 according to her boss, it has been said she was on social media at 2:50 am but if she was it was a private post on her page that only friends can see so who knows if that is correct..

 

[molly1255]

Good eye, Dayna. Yes, that rabbit hole appears to lead to some shady, shady bizzzznass.

According to the Ohio DMV, this dealership is licensed. It appears Dana was soliciting used cars for sale for them at times on FB.

 

[branwynbreeze]

Were most of these "D" properties -- that is what I saw and were distressed properties.

re look like he did it and committed suicide.

I think that is what happened moo

"We still don't know how many were in bed for sure"

How, is releasing that gonna comproimise the investigation? It is just dumb in my little brain.....................how does that make me "found", oh no they know 3 were in bed ... how does that compomise jack s&&t

its BS and I think it goes back to pre internet .......

I cannot decide if officials are thinking oh carp,we actually may have to solve this crime, what to do, what to do or playing up sophistication in details as a way to stall for time before giving out any real facts. I can only hope that the zillion of relatives ride LE hard to give up details such as Cariis mentioned.

 

[Pheasant]

Does anyone have any knowledge of how you would title and tag a salvage title automobile?

http://www.dmv.org/oh-ohio/salvaged-vehicles.php


In Ohio, a vehicle is considered salvaged if it has been dismantled, destroyed, or changed in such a way that it loses its character as a motor vehicle. Or, it has been altered in a manner that it is not the same vehicle as described in the title.

After you make the necessary repairs to bring your vehicle into working condition, you will need to obtain a rebuilt salvage title.
The first step in this process is to have it inspected at an inspection facility run by the Ohio State Highway Patrol

 

[molly1255]

Does anyone have any knowledge of how you would title and tag a salvage title automobile?

Don't know about the tags, but in most states it must have a salvage title and all buyer documents must disclose it is a salvaged vehicle.

 

[KKearns]

I missed report on forced entry - can you tell me where to find that, please? Does anyone know how near BJM's house is or does she live w/her Dad?

I don't know where that is now. I think a media group tweeted an article IIRC. It came out near the time the number of gunshots did or even with that same info.