OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #5

[KKearns]

Not "no guns at all anywhere" but no guns next to bodies. If they had fired in self defense then been killed, their weapon would be next to their body. No weapons were found next to any bodies or this would have immediately been a suspected murder suicide.

Well no not necessarily.. There are other things like them shooting a gun, but they can also have residue on their hands and just been shot.

Gary obviously didn't commit suicide but he could have gotten a shot off.

They haven't said yet, but I'm not sure yet it is a given that one or two of the victims didn't get a shot off at all.

 

[perfectingpink]

JUst bugs me ....why are you (BJ) telling anyone and everyone that the door was locked and you have a key??

I have been thinking about this. BJ gives the info of the door being locked and the key after the 911 operator asks if anyone else is in the house. I think, in her mind, she did not think anyone else could be in the house because the door was locked and that is why she gave this answer. (I pray to God I am making sense...I don't need Steel calling the SWAT in on me!)

 

[black_squirrel]

Quoting my own post for the link to the 911 call transcript:

"Caller: The door was locked when I got here, but I have a key to his house, and I went in and they were laying on the floor."

If this is accurate BJM indicates she HAD a key.... I didn't interpret it to be she knew where it was hidden. Just a little tidbit trying to clarify.

I think the transcript is paraphrasing. What I hear is something like "I knew where the key was at."

 

[JaimeInLA]

Interesting article in the Cincinnati paper about the call for citizens to arm themselves:

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/04/28/rural-ohio-call-arm-yourself/83648366/

 

[Toralei]

I agree and I found that really strange too. She never says there are two bodies until the very end. And Gary's body was laying over Chris's legs, so she would have seen both! The whole call is so freaking weird.

When was the positioning of the bodies released???? That's insane!

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[Canaille]

I agree and I found that really strange too. She never says there are two bodies until the very end. And Gary's body was laying over Chris's legs, so she would have seen both! The whole call is so freaking weird.

I'm trying to imagine what I'd say in a case like that, and I have no idea. I suspect there's some tunnel vision that goes on under that kind of stress. Thankfully, I've never experienced something like that.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I think it's awfully easy for us out here safe to say what we think a person who has just discovered at least two dead people should have said or done, or how logical or rational she should have been.

I've never found a lived one's body, but I've been in a shocking emergency, and you know what? I remember practically nothing beyond the terrifying feeling of not being able to breathe, or move. I don't remember the accident and I don't remember what I did for the first couple of minutes after. But I will never forget what fresh blood on hot pavement smells like.

So it doesn't surprise me that she left out things or got the order wrong. It doesn't surprise me if she and other people who were there didn't notice the same things, don't remember the same things, maybe don't even remember who all was there. Shock is like that.


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I remember an incident with a close friend 12 - 13 years ago. She called me, hysterical and literally babbling. I finally said to her, you have to take a breath, stop. Now tell me slowly and carefully what you need from me. Clear as a bell - *name of husband* is dead in our bed you need to come here now. (He had cancer) And she went right back to babbling. I literally had to call 911 as I was running out to my car. So yeah. I can understand just about anything coming out when you walk into something like that.

 

[SheepMan]

I had to catch up about 700 posts as i'm in Australia.....however some comments;

- I would have to disagree that someone would be having hearing issues after firing inside. Until we know the weapon used this is simply not true
- A silencer wouldn't be purchased legally for this so talk of "hard to obtain" and paperwork is not relevant
- Would two grown men sleep in the same room (GR and CR)? I doubt it so I expect one was in the lounge and one in the back room when things went down. Not sure how many rooms that mobile home had.

On a side note using "drug" as a past tense of "drag" is really confusing me lol

 

[pisces51]

She does quite clearly say "oh my God please don't hurt me" at 1:56 in that recording. I played it over and over and it's clear.

[video=youtube;3jKapxxJycw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jKapxxJycw[/video]

But I don't think another person is there. I think she is just panicking and afraid for her life after what she just saw and what it might mean.
After all, nobody hurt her. So probably nobody was there.

Doesn't sound like that to me at all.

 

[Everyday Grace]

More grist for the mill: a direct quote attributed to Gary Rhoden's father:

"My nephew was laying one way and Gary was laying over his legs. Shot three times in the head,” Kenneth Rhoden said.

http://m.wlwt.com/news/-It-s-a-sad-...um=twitter&utm_source=trueAnthem:+New+Content

 

[Babyfacemagee]

Do we have a good guess as to who the victim with 9 gunshot wounds was yet? Once we know that we probably will know who the central target is and can reverse engineer who might most likely be responsible.

 

[KKearns]

Interesting article in the Cincinnati paper about the call for citizens to arm themselves:

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/04/28/rural-ohio-call-arm-yourself/83648366/

This is a cultural and regional difference also. If this was said to us in the south, for the majority of us it wouldn't be a call to arm ourselves but buy more ammo and maybe a new gun and those that hadn't been to the range in a while, get to one.

We stay armed here and not just in the country, but people in the county are almost always plenty of armed.

 

[gngr~snap]

More grist for the mill: a direct quote attributed to Gary Rhoden's father:



http://m.wlwt.com/news/-It-s-a-sad-...um=twitter&utm_source=trueAnthem:+New+Content

Hmm. Like a cross? I am curious if they were "posed" or not.

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[Betty P]

She does quite clearly say "oh my God please don't hurt me" at 1:56 in that recording. I played it over and over and it's clear.

But I don't think another person is there. I think she is just panicking and afraid for her life after what she just saw and what it might mean.
After all, nobody hurt her. So probably nobody was there.

[video=youtube;3jKapxxJycw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jKapxxJycw[/video]

I'm hearing "Please help" then something unintelligible. Just panicked and wanting them to get there fast.

ETA: She does also mention both Gary and Chris.

 

[Toralei]

More grist for the mill: a direct quote attributed to Gary Rhoden's father:



http://m.wlwt.com/news/-It-s-a-sad-...um=twitter&utm_source=trueAnthem:+New+Content

No words.

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[CARIIS]

This was an interesting tweet he did about taking back the reward money.

I am so sorry this cracked me up. I thought he was a con man from day one - it was a tax write off. I posted a whole essay on him --- this dude could care less about the disenfranchised - he is running 5 star restaurants , its a way (my parents and sister) while sitting down to a $275 dollar to " dsicuss how wonderfull this guy was - while not getting out there checkbooks to do anything......................Barf bunch of phonies mine included

 

[birpu]

Doesn't sound like that to me at all.

My point is, even if that is what she said, I don't think it means anything other than sheer terror in the moment. That's all.
But try playing it over and over and over from 1:56.

 

[JaimeInLA]

Do we have a good guess as to who the victim with 9 gunshot wounds was yet? Once we know that we probably will know who the central target is and can reverse engineer who might most likely be responsible.

No, we don't. But I have guesses. My #1 guess is Chris Jr. If not him, then Hanna. If not her, then Dana.

 

[KKearns]

Do we have a good guess as to who the victim with 9 gunshot wounds was yet? Once we know that we probably will know who the central target is and can reverse engineer who might most likely be responsible.

My guess is Chris but that isn't based on anything in particular.

 

[pisces51]

Interesting article in the Cincinnati paper about the call for citizens to arm themselves:

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/04/28/rural-ohio-call-arm-yourself/83648366/

I think he was merely saying that it's a big county and he has only so many deputies...if you're scared, they may not be able to get to you quickly, so have your guns out. Sounds sensible to me.