Found Alive OH - Rainn Peterson, 2, North Bloomfield, 2 Oct 2015 - #2

[ILOKAL]

"The Sheriff also says the great grandparents were never on the radar, that's why they have temporary custody of Rainn now."

http://www.wfmj.com/story/30235608/...as-investigation-into-disappearance-continues

I don't doubt they weren't on the radar. But someone had a less than passed polygraph and will be given another one when things settle down. We KNOW Brandi passed hers, so who didn't, and why didn't they?

 

[jjenny]

I don't doubt they weren't on the radar. But someone had a less than passed polygraph and will be given another one when things settle down. We KNOW Brandi passed hers, so who didn't, and why didn't they?

Whoever it was, I don't believe it was one of the grandparents, since they were never on the radar and were given temporary custody because of that.
Regardless, sheriff seems to put too much value into polygraphs. They are not admissible in court, and you can fail one even if you are not guilty (and conversely pass one even if you are guilty).

 

[ILOKAL]

Whoever it was, I don't believe it was one of the grandparents, since they were never on the radar and were given temporary custody because of that.
Regardless, sheriff seems to put too much value into polygraphs. They are not admissible in court, and you can fail one even if you are not guilty (and conversely pass one even if you are guilty).

Who do you think was given polygraphs besides Brandi and the great grandparents? If Rainn's biological father and Brandi's current boyfriend were given polygraphs and didn't pass, we would probably have heard about it. With the great grandparents, not so much!

 

[blue22]

Well I don't know. Grandma did say Rainn is a handful (words to that affect) and maybe Rainn didn't listen to great grandma when she was supposed to. It wasn't yet dark when Rainn was first discovered missing so she didn't "go" outside in the dark. IMO

I've said that about mine countless times. And when I say it, I don't even mean it with a negative connotations. I actually mean it with humor. Because guess what...kids ARE handfuls. Two year olds ARE handfuls. We say it and we love them. I guess I'm just lucky nothing has happened, so that my very innocent statement isn't dissected by strangers who seem to need to find fault with me...even though LE has said there is no fault.

 

[Rayemonde]

I'm sure I read somewhere that the bio dad passed. So that just leaves the boyfriend (most likely - can't think of anyone else they would polygraph). Maybe they are thinking that Brandi sent him to collect Rain - presumably she would be happy to go with him if he appeared and said "Hi Rainn, wanna go see mommy?"

ETA

Sources tell 21 News that polygraph results corroborated the alibi of Rainn Peterson's father who is estranged from his wife.

http://www.wfmj.com/story/30176129/...ts-conducted-in-missing-toddler-investigation

 

[Jo in Calif]

Who do you think was given polygraphs besides Brandi and the great grandparents? If Rainn's biological father and Brandi's current boyfriend were given polygraphs and didn't pass, we would probably have heard about it. With the great grandparents, not so much!

Could it be possible that Brandi's mother, Rainn's grandmother was given a polygraph?

 

[ILOKAL]

Could it be possible that Brandi's mother, Rainn's grandmother was given a polygraph?

Perhaps. But there too, we probably would have heard if she was the one with the iffy polygraph. IMO

 

[katydid23]

Well I don't know. Grandma did say Rainn is a handful (words to that affect) and maybe Rainn didn't listen to great grandma when she was supposed to. It wasn't yet dark when Rainn was first discovered missing so she didn't "go" outside in the dark. IMO

My grandmother said those exact words about my daughter when she was two.

'What a handful.' And Grandma was the mother of ten Irish rascals. She meant nothing bad but was pointing out how spunky and confident my girl was when standing up to her big brother and cousins. I think GGM was meaning it in a similar fashion after watching the video of her chasing her brothers around.

 

[katydid23]

So, the investigators are saying the family all had polygraphs and no red flags were raised, yet the sheriff said one of the polygraphs had a few questions and will be re-taken when things settle down.

ETA: And there's that statement again from Dora Mae . . . . "We had given up!. . . . Who gives up after only 48 hours?

Who gives up? People who have already buried other children often give up because they have experienced the tragedy already and are possibly bracing themselves for it.

I pretty much gave up at the 48 hour mark because I did not think she could escape the hypothermia and dehydration factors. It doesn't mean I am guilty of anything.

 

[ILOKAL]

My grandmother said those exact words about my daughter when she was two.

'What a handful.' And Grandma was the mother of ten Irish rascals. She meant nothing bad but was pointing out how spunky and confident my girl was when standing up to her big brother and cousins. I think GGM was meaning it in a similar fashion after watching the video of her chasing her brothers around.

To understand where I'm coming from you need to read the entire paragraph from the link I posted. My comments are in regard to those comments, not just because she said Rainn was a handful. I can't copy and paste. I guess posters wold better understand had I been able to copy and paste that paragraph because everyone just keeps commenting about Rainn being a handful and not the rest.

 

[blue22]

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1. I personally don't find her comments strange, so I think statement interpretations are just a matter of opinion. LE has defended her numerous times, so it's JMO that they don't find what she says strange. On the flip side, I find things Brandi has said very strange and she has been caught in lies...but it's also JMO that I don't think she put Rainn outside. So strange statements are not necessarily a reflection of involvement.

2. The GGPs are not POI's as stated multiple times by LE. They have been cleared of any involvement.

3. I do understand that someone didn't pass a polygraph. However, LE has said the family has taken polygraphs, and there was nothing of concern.

4. The children were returned to them. I find it HIGHLY doubtful that LE or family services agency, would allow children to be returned to them in this high profile of a situation...if they believed they purposefully allowed or caused this to happen.

5. I am not against speculation by you, me, or anyone else. We are all entitled to our own feelings and opinions. I do think that treating them like POI's when LE has expressively cleared them is a little odd, and feels like perhaps some simply want them to be responsible. (That is a general statement, and not pointed specifically at you.)

 

[Rayemonde]

To understand where I'm coming from you need to read the entire paragraph from the link I posted. My comments are in regard to those comments, not just because she said Rainn was a handful. I can't copy and paste. I guess posters wold better understand had I been able to copy and paste that paragraph because everyone just keeps commenting about Rainn being a handful and not the rest.

This, you mean?

&#8220;It was hard to believe, because truthfully, I had given up hope. It had been so long. I thought, &#8216;It is not going to be a good outcome,&#8217; but it was,&#8221; Dora Peterson said. &#8220;All the pieces are back together. The puzzle is complete again. Well, except what really happened, you know, but, she is back.&#8221;

 

[katydid23]

&#8220;It was hard to believe, because truthfully, I had given up hope. It had been so long. I thought, &#8216;It is not going to be a good outcome,&#8217; but it was,&#8221; Dora Peterson said. &#8220;All the pieces are back together. The puzzle is complete again. Well, except what really happened, you know, but, she is back.&#8221;


There is nothing in that ^^^ which concerns me. She sounds like a worried Grandma that was surprised and relieved that it didn't end in tragedy. JMO

 

[ILOKAL]

Well, I'm sorry you feel I was attacking you...but I assure you I was not.

I think there are some things worthy of noting here. (And again, this is not an attack against you whatsoever.)

1. I personally don't find her comments strange, so I think statement interpretations are just a matter of opinion. LE has defended her numerous times, so it's JMO that they don't find what she says strange. On the flip side, I find things Brandi has said very strange and she has been caught in lies...but it's also JMO that I don't think she put Rainn outside. So strange statements are not necessarily a reflection of involvement.

2. The GGPs are not POI's as stated multiple times by LE. They have been cleared of any involvement.

3. I do understand that someone didn't pass a polygraph. However, LE has said the family has taken polygraphs, and there was nothing of concern.

4. The children were returned to them. I find it HIGHLY doubtful that LE or family services agency, would allow children to be returned to them in this high profile of a situation...if they believed they purposefully allowed or caused this to happen.

5. I am not against speculation by you, me, or anyone else. We are all entitled to our own feelings and opinions. I do think that treating them like POI's when LE has expressively cleared them is a little odd, and feels like perhaps some simply want them to be responsible. (That is a general statement, and not pointed specifically at you.)

If they weren't POIs they wouldn't have been polygraphed. As far as where the children were temporarily placed is not determined by LE, and we all know that children's services AND the courts often make mistakes. I have no reason to want anyone to be deliberately responsible for Rainn being lost, but no matter who says they were not responsible for the health and welfare of Rainn when she went missing isn't looking at the facts clearly which is (more than likely) because it is felt that because of their age they deserve a pass. Now that is my opinion which comes from a sincere place, free of malice, and you should accept it as such.

 

[travelbug]

Who do you think was given polygraphs besides Brandi and the great grandparents? If Rainn's biological father and Brandi's current boyfriend were given polygraphs and didn't pass, we would probably have heard about it. With the great grandparents, not so much!

I think there may be more people who were polygraphed than just immediate family. They may have questioned some of the RSO's that live in close proximity, associates of Brandi that she thought might want to cause trouble for her, ex-boyfriends, etc. LE is not likely to share the status of individual results until they have completed their investigation. Their primary concern is Rainn and they would not put her in harms way.

I didn't find the GGP's words out of the ordinary. I was born and raised in the Midwest and can imagine many of my relatives responding in a similar way. They are pragmatic and when speaking with others stick to facts rather than emotion. Heck, I was 36 before my father told me he loved me. I always knew it, but showing emotion was not his way. I am much better, but still not likely to share my emotions publicly. jmoo

 

[blue22]

My friend lost her son to leukemia when he was 8. When her daughter began getting worrisome symptoms at age 1o, my friend jumped to the premature conclusion that her daughter had cancer. She said it rather 'matter of factly.' It surprised me at first. And thank goodness she was mistaken. But I understand why she was so quick to jump to that conclusion. She admitted that she was bracing herself for the worst. She had already experienced tragedy and was trying to prepare herself to face it again.

I think that is what GGM was doing as well. She has lived through a lot of tragedy. And she knows how dangerous it was for a 2 yr old to be out in the cold, dark rain all night, then all day following. By then, she had resigned herself to the tragic possibility that was looming. I cannot fault her for that.

I am trying to follow what the 'implications' are of her statements though. Because she called her a 'handful' and resigned herself to the worst case scenario---what does that mean?

I think it means nothing, personally. But, I think not everyone reads things the same or can relate in the same way.

I am a very matter of fact person when it comes to tragedy or the potential of it. It is easier for me to accept the worse, even if the worse hasn't or won't happened. I am crap in a crisis unless I accept that the worse will likely happen. I literally cannot function unless I "give up" so to speak. The unknown for me, is more painful than hope usually. The hope and the potential that hope can be crushed, is almost suffocating.

I went through a tragedy about 11 years ago. I remember it vividly. My sister (thank God) is alive, but I remember telling myself, "She's gone, she's dead." And I didn't even really believe it totally, but I almost had to let myself accept the possible worse to even breathe. It's a weird, complicated, guilt inducing, and impossible situation to be in.

 

[ILOKAL]

I think there may be more people who were polygraphed than just immediate family. They may have questioned some of the RSO's that live in close proximity, associates of Brandi that she thought might want to cause trouble for her, ex-boyfriends, etc. LE is not likely to share the status of individual results until they have completed their investigation. Their primary concern is Rainn and they would not put her in harms way.

I didn't find the GGP's words out of the ordinary. I was born and raised in the Midwest and can imagine many of my relatives responding in a similar way. They are pragmatic and when speaking with others stick to facts rather than emotion. Heck, I was 36 before my father told me he loved me. I always knew it, but showing emotion was not his way. I am much better, but still not likely to share my emotions publicly. jmoo

I was born and raised in the Midwest as well but that has nothing to do with Dora Mae's comments.

 

[AmyPond]

Perhaps you didn't read the article where Dora Mae made several really odd comments. If you're perhaps referring to me which would, of course, be against TOS, I seldom find fault with the victim's family. But when a POI makes what seem to me to be really strange comments and the victim can't tell us what happened, and we know that at least one person didn't get a clean pass on their polygraph, I think it's worthy of discussion. That's fine if you don't but instead of attacking the poster, just scroll on by.

I don't think the great grandparents were every persons of interest, were they?

As for the "giving up" statement...I suppose she probably meant they had given up hope that she was alive. Not like, "Okay...I give up. Oh well if she's never never found. So anyway...what's on t.v. tonight?"

 

[Rayemonde]

They have collected cell phones from family members and anyone possibly connected to the disappearance.

Investigators are looking into the possibility that Rainn got out and a passerby picked her up

http://raycomgroup.worldnow.com/sto...on-recovering-at-home-investigation-continues

Looks like LE are examining phones of non family members as well as family members, so they are obviously investigating non family members as well as family members. Coupled with their statement that there were no concerns raised by family members' polygraph results, I'm guessing it was a non family member who failed their polygraph.

 

[ILOKAL]

http://raycomgroup.worldnow.com/sto...on-recovering-at-home-investigation-continues

Looks like LE are examining phones of non family members as well as family members, so they are obviously investigating non family members as well as family members. Coupled with their statement that there were no concerns raised by family members' polygraph results, I'm guessing it was a non family member who failed their polygraph.

Why would the sheriff make excuses for a non-family member having failed a polygraph?