OH OH - Roberta 'Bobby' Snider, 70, Hartville, 4 Jan 2018 *Guilty*

[watergirl62]

Agree, that was the reason I deleted my post. I realized then the 'interesting' comments were probably referring to the first article.

So sorry. I'm trying to multi-task today and it's not working out real well...

Haha, but I feel you pain. I was thinking last night I really would be happier if I would stop multitasking all day everyday. Sheesh.

 

[dms]

Y'all, it doesn't have to be an extended cab to be comfortable.

Thanks vmm, you beat me to this! Also, some of us are just plain short, and can recline pretty effectively in the damnedest places. Does anyone recall seeing any info about how tall Bobby was?

 

[PetDetective]

Thanks vmm, you beat me to this! Also, some of us are just plain short, and can recline pretty effectively in the damnedest places. Does anyone recall seeing any info about how tall Bobby was?

No, but she looks short to me in her pictures. I’d estimate 5’ - 5’3”


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[JazzTune]

Thank you. For the reporter, it was certainly an attention grabber, and I'll bet you anything that they used that particular line as a hook throughout the day to advertise their nightly news episode to get people to watch.

Not your fault, but I'm afraid, viewing new posts, that this "fact" has grown legs and people are going to run with it. Unfortunately, it skews our perception of the case.

So, I'm going to bold this for the people in the back who may have missed it. I do not believe at this time that the FBI has any interest in Philip.

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Not sure, but perhaps we spoke too quickly?

I did a search with Philip's name, along with the FBI, just to see if there were any other published connections, aside from their technology experts helping with the case.

My search came up with several articles which all basically said the same statement about Philip and the FBI, that I found at the following link.

http://www.timesreporter.com/news/2...ays-he-dumped-wifes-body-in-tennessee-river/2

"...Philip Snider has taken a polygraph test, and been interviewed by the FBI..."

(BBM)

It did not elaborate any further, and I might be interpreting it incorrectly, but does it sound like the FBI may be interested in Philip, after all?

I'd like to hear your thoughts or anyone else's about it...


JMO

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Not sure, but perhaps we spoke too quickly?

I did a search with Philip's name, along with the FBI, just to see if there were any other published connections, aside from their technology experts helping with the case.

My search came up with several articles which all basically said the same statement about Philip and the FBI, that I found at the following link.

http://www.timesreporter.com/news/2...ays-he-dumped-wifes-body-in-tennessee-river/2

"...Philip Snider has taken a polygraph test, and been interviewed by the FBI..."

(BBM)

It did not elaborate any further, and I might be interpreting it incorrectly, but does it sound like the FBI may be interested in Philip, after all?

I'd like to hear your thoughts or anyone else's about it...


JMO

I'm not sure. I keep finding conflicting information from different sources on fbi involvement.

"Investigators are going through phone records, credit card statements and GPS data. They also requested the FBI conduct a polygraph on Philip Snider."

http://fox8.com/2018/01/22/husband-...ssee-river-after-wife-died-of-natural-causes/

Until I hear it from the mouth of LE, I kind of suspect that various news reports may be misstating the degree of their involvement.

Frankly, I would find it extremely odd if the FBI were investigating a case like this so quickly while so many other cases have gone unsolved for much longer and do not have their attention. For instance, 8 family members murdered in this same state.

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[osu]

I'm not sure. I keep finding conflicting information from different sources on fbi involvement.

"Investigators are going through phone records, credit card statements and GPS data. They also requested the FBI conduct a polygraph on Philip Snider."

http://fox8.com/2018/01/22/husband-...ssee-river-after-wife-died-of-natural-causes/

Until I hear it from the mouth of LE, I kind of suspect that various news reports may be misstating the degree of their involvement.

Frankly, I would find it extremely odd if the FBI were investigating a case like this so quickly while so many other cases have gone unsolved for much longer and do not have their attention. For instance, 8 family members murdered in this same state.

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There’s an FBI field office located in downtown Canton, which is approx 12 miles from Hartville. It could be that the FBI are assisting with the investigation since they have an office nearby.





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[Yvettea]

Federal crimes include criminal acts that cross state lines.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

There’s an FBI field office located in downtown Canton, which is approx 12 miles from Hartville. It could be that the FBI are assisting with the investigation since they have an office nearby.





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If they are actually investigating this (and not just lending other resources) only two weeks after the fact with no proof yet that a murder has even been committed, I'd like to have words with them about why, after nearly two years, 8 dead members of the same family in Ohio have not garnered their attention. Or why they haven't seen fit to investigate why anyone can murder anyone in Nelson County, Kentucky and have zero concern that LE will actually catch them.

Seriously.

Sorry for the rant. Not saying Bobbie isn't important, but not much time has passed yet, and while it's certainly weird and sad, we don't even know if it's a murder yet.

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[Deleted member 158085]

Federal crimes include criminal acts that cross state lines.

They don't even have proof of a crime yet. That's the kicker. And honestly, LE, when interviewed, do not seem particularly certain about murder.

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[osu]

If they are actually investigating this (and not just lending other resources) only two weeks after the fact with no proof yet that a murder has even been committed, I'd like to have words with them about why, after nearly two years, 8 dead members of the same family in Ohio have not garnered their attention. Or why they haven't seen fit to investigate why anyone can murder anyone in Nelson County, Kentucky and have zero concern that LE will actually catch them.

Seriously.

Sorry for the rant. Not saying Bobbie isn't important, but not much time has passed yet, and while it's certainly weird and sad, we don't even know if it's a murder yet.

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I agree with you vmmking. It’s strange that the FBI wasnt called in to investigate the Rhoden family murders. I didn’t follow that case all that closely but IIRC, the State of Ohio BCI and AG Mike Dewine seemed to take the lead with that investigation and maybe didn’t feel they needed federal help? I don’t know why, but I sure wish they would have.
JMO


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[PetDetective]

I'm not sure. I keep finding conflicting information from different sources on fbi involvement.

"Investigators are going through phone records, credit card statements and GPS data. They also requested the FBI conduct a polygraph on Philip Snider."

http://fox8.com/2018/01/22/husband-...ssee-river-after-wife-died-of-natural-causes/

Until I hear it from the mouth of LE, I kind of suspect that various news reports may be misstating the degree of their involvement.

Frankly, I would find it extremely odd if the FBI were investigating a case like this so quickly while so many other cases have gone unsolved for much longer and do not have their attention. For instance, 8 family members murdered in this same state.

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They may be involved due to multiple states possibly being involved


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[PetDetective]

So I’m watching ID and this show comes on that sounds a lot like this situation. The husband’s name is Mike Dixiano, wife’s name was Angela.

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[JazzTune]

I'm not sure. I keep finding conflicting information from different sources on fbi involvement.

"Investigators are going through phone records, credit card statements and GPS data. They also requested the FBI conduct a polygraph on Philip Snider."

http://fox8.com/2018/01/22/husband-...ssee-river-after-wife-died-of-natural-causes/

Until I hear it from the mouth of LE, I kind of suspect that various news reports may be misstating the degree of their involvement.

Frankly, I would find it extremely odd if the FBI were investigating a case like this so quickly while so many other cases have gone unsolved for much longer and do not have their attention. For instance, 8 family members murdered in this same state.

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Yes, you've got a really good point. Maybe the news media are overstating this.

However, the only thing I think might possibly explain FBI involvement is if perhaps LE feels very certain from the evidence they've obtained thus far, ( that we are not privy to ) that a definite crime has been committed across state lines.

Enough so, to the point that they have requested the FBI involvement on their own, without making the public aware of the reasons why.

Then again, I could be completely wrong and it may be as you say, simply the case of the news media exaggerating.

Wouldn't be the first time the media has ran without the ball...

Thanks for your input, and for sharing your thoughts...


JMO

 

[meanmaryjean]

Could the FBI involvement be because she was (maybe/ possibly/ who knows?) transported across state lines?

 

[JazzTune]

Ok, so I decided to research the Tennessee River, as I was curious about the depth of it in the middle parts as well as the currents. From the articles I read online, it appears that the deepest parts are on average, 9 feet. I grew up behind a river and I live near several now. Each river has a different current. The one I grew up near was practically stagnant- very slow moving and the only time it got to a rapid pace was during heavy rain storms, tropical winds and when ice was melting and the river overflowed.

The ones I live near now- one has a quicker pace than the one I lived behind, and another river has a much faster current- you can't swim in parts of it because the current is strong in some parts. I'm sure most of you have seen the same with various rivers you live around or have visited.

My question is, how fast is the current in the Tennessee River? I tried to find information on that, but couldn't find any details about the currents, just the average depth of the river.

I'm not sure why this is important to me, and please disregard if it seems like a strange post, but it just has me wondering, if Bobby is truly in that river, just how far has her body flowed, and wouldn't there be something by now that would show up- a piece of a garbage bag, piece of clothing, a shoe- something? Any locals that can chime in on my question?

I know if this happened in the river behind me growing up, unless the river was overflowing from ice melting or a heavy rain, it wouldn't travel too far on it's own.

Maybe I should get off of that "horse with no name". For perhaps I am coming up with meaningless ideas that are irrelevant. *sigh*

According to this January 19th article, the Hartville police say they plan to take Philip back to Tennessee to help find her body.
I wonder when they plan to do that?

‘The Hartsville Police Department said they believe Snider’s reported claim about the river dumping. Snider is currently staying with family in Ohio, said Christopher, and he will be taken back to Tennessee to help find the body. Charges might be filed once authorities discover Roberta’s body.’

http://www.wbbjtv.com/2018/01/19/man-claims-dumped-wife-tennessee-river-investigators-search-body/


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I found a little bit of information in the following link, ( dated Jan. 26, and updated Jan. 29 ) about both of these topics...

http://www.cantonrep.com/news/20180126/police-search-truck-home-in-missing-hartville-woman-case

Regarding the water currents, it doesn't answer your questions directly but it does shed a little light on their thoughts about it with this statement:

"The best information we have is that she is in the Tennessee River," Hartville Police Chief Larry Dordea said Friday afternoon, adding that "the river is "swift moving," so her body might not be in the county where Snider told police he dumped it."​


Dordea also addresses the concern about whether Philip has helped to find her with this statement:

"Dordea said Snider had not returned to Tennessee to assist law enforcement there with the search for his wife's body.."

( BBM )

I guess we can interpret the reason why not, in any way we wish...


JMO

 

[JazzTune]

I don't think he'd have the guts to just "burn" her body.
Imo, he honestly threw her corpse into the river to let nature take its course

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I'm not convinced he would have had the wherewithal to do so. It's a lot harder than people think*. Creating an open air funeral pyre that would allow for complete destruction of a body is a complex process - and one that even Hindus in India, with thousands of years of practice, don't generally manage completely.

* (Not speaking from experience, you understand)

An interesting statement I found in the following link that seeks to explain Philip's reasoning about this, if he's being truthful...

http://www.wesh.com/article/husband-says-he-dumped-wife-s-body-into-river/15850808

"Benton County, Tennessee, Sheriff Kenny Christopher said he was told Philip Snider "thought it more humane" to put her in the river and that "he couldn't stand the thought of her being burned."

 

[JazzTune]

http://www.cantonrep.com/news/20180112/hartville-police-probing-womans-road-trip-death


On a roll here...

Reading this older article again I noticed that it did address the reason why they went to Graceland at this particular time.

"Brian Heisler, Roberta's brother, said Philip told him Roberta had died on the trip to Memphis, Tennessee, a birthday present of sorts for her... She was to turn 70 this past Monday..."


Maybe the connection to it being a birthday present had been mentioned before, ( and I knew she had a birthday coming up ) but I don't remember reading that being the reason for the trip.

Also Larry Dordea, the Hartville Police Chief, stated Philip described how she died in the following statement:

"He said they were driving to Memphis..." Dordea said. "He noticed she was ( dead in her seat ) as he was driving down the road..."


Again, though I had read he said she died on the way, this was the first time I read that she died in her seat while he was tooling along.

Seems odd. Wonder if that's what really happened...

JMO

( Apologies for all the posts. Had some extra time today. Went back and read some older articles again...)

 

[flute4peace]

An interesting statement I found in the following link that seeks to explain Philip's reasoning about this, if he's being truthful...

http://www.wesh.com/article/husband-says-he-dumped-wife-s-body-into-river/15850808

"Benton County, Tennessee, Sheriff Kenny Christopher said he was told Philip Snider "thought it more humane" to put her in the river and that "he couldn't stand the thought of her being burned."

You know, I have to say I can relate to this, especially if he's not in his right frame of mind. My parents have planned to be cremated, and I really struggle with it. I know that's not entirely rational on my part, it's just how my heart reacts to it.

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[Deleted member 158085]

http://www.cantonrep.com/news/20180112/hartville-police-probing-womans-road-trip-death


On a roll here...

Reading this older article again I noticed that it did address the reason why they went to Graceland at this particular time.

"Brian Heisler, Roberta's brother, said Philip told him Roberta had died on the trip to Memphis, Tennessee, a birthday present of sorts for her... She was to turn 70 this past Monday..."


Maybe the connection to it being a birthday present had been mentioned before, ( and I knew she had a birthday coming up ) but I don't remember reading that being the reason for the trip.

Also Larry Dordea, the Hartville Police Chief, stated Philip described how she died in the following statement:

"He said they were driving to Memphis..." Dordea said. "He noticed she was ( dead in her seat ) as he was driving down the road..."


Again, though I had read he said she died on the way, this was the first time I read that she died in her seat while he was tooling along.

Seems odd. Wonder if that's what really happened...

JMO

( Apologies for all the posts. Had some extra time today. Went back and read some older articles again...)

That would trigger me.

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[DAnthrplgst]

You know, I have to say I can relate to this, especially if he's not in his right frame of mind. My parents have planned to be cremated, and I really struggle with it. I know that's not entirely rational on my part, it's just how my heart reacts to it.

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O/T but just to share something my mother once told me after my brother died. I was a child when Pete passed and I had a hard time understanding why they would bury him, even at 7yo I knew burying a person was bad and I was afraid for him, in my mind thinking Peter the person would be buried. My mom explained that it wasn't Peter the person we were burying, it was Peter's body. She said when God created us he gave us a soul and a body and that our body was just a shell, a container to hold our soul but when we die our soul leave the shell. She went on to say that the soul was the person I knew, not his body. She said that Peter the person was not in the shell anymore, instead his soul was free of the shell and his soul was still with me. After she explained I understood the difference (which I'm sure you already did without my rambling).

Now, skip ahead 17 years, my mother died of breast cancer and in the weeks before her death she stated she wanted to be cremated so she could be buried with my father. I was uncomfortable with the idea at first but then I remembered her words when Peter died and I remembered, her body wasn't her, it was just the container for the person that was her. I understand it's hard to think about your parents mortality and to even consider cremation of your parents but try to remember, it isn't your parents that are being cremated, it's just the container that held the people you know as your parents. Those people continue on.