OH OH - Roberta 'Bobby' Snider, 70, Hartville, 4 Jan 2018 *Guilty*

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Well, alrighty then...*chuckles* I had my last set of comments in that one post on 1st draft, and literally fell sleep.. *chuckles* soooo, didn’t intend to post all that as I had not gotten to review it all, not even sure I was finished the “How To” but, ok..*shrugs* Apologies for errors and so oddly laid out...*rolls eyes*

••••••> ALIVE OR NOT?
Ok, I’m going to bring up something unpleasant, so I apologize now for doing it, BUT, it does relate to the questions at hand that we are all pondering...

If Bobby was alive and she died supposedly in his front seat...Umm..*shrugs* ...When someone dies doesn’t their bodily functions all just ..’let go’..and if that were the case, then I would imagine that no amount of cleaning by PS would suffice to get the trace evidence out of his vehicle, correct??...*shrugs* ...To me, lack of that evidence in his vehicle would be extremely damning...

Don’t know where my signature went so...All of the above is just my humble opinion & thoughts and is in no way fact or implied to be fact..

 

[Gussified]

Not sure if this has been discussed yet, if it has I missed it.

“Sheriff Christopher said Philip Snider checked into a hotel about 6 miles away from the Tennessee River. Surveillance video showed Philip, but not Roberta, at the hotel.

The sheriff said police are investigating every version of Philip Snider’s story, which has changed multiple times. Investigators told Christopher the suspect is no longer cooperating with authorities.”
http://fox8.com/2018/01/23/search-f...n-tennessee-put-on-hold/?utm_source=related_1


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That’s the Benton County Days Inn mentioned above.

 

[JazzTune]

Replying to my own post. Keep thinking about this timeline. Just doesn’t make sense.

1/4: drove 13-15 hrs from Hartville OH to Memphis TN, checked into Days Inn at Graceland

1/5: went to Graceland in morning, drove 2 hrs from Memphis to Benton County TN, checked into Benton County Days Inn

1/6: checked out at 3:30am, dropped Bobby in the river, and then drove 11-13 hrs back to Hartville OH

I’m just doubting that he would have driven those long drives on 1/4 and 1/6, with only a 2 hr drive on 1/5. Illogical to me. I’m wondering if it was actually spread over more days, and more hotels.

* travel times include time for pit stops along the way

A stopover in KY would make more sense, driving-wise, but then the timeline has to shift one direction of another, if were to believe he stayed in Memphis on the night of 4th, and Benton County on the night of the 5th, dropping her body off the bridge on the morning of the 6th.

So, either they had to have left earlier than the 4th, or the Memphis - Benton County - bridge scenario would have to shift to the 5th - 6th - 7th.

The article you linked says her brother last saw her on the 1st, so it is possible they left on the 3rd. And I forgot, when did PS walk in to the paper with the obit? Was it Monday? If it was Monday, then it’s the later scenario is also possible.

And, would he have also stopped in KY on the trip home?

So many questions...

Thanks for trying to make sense of this timeline. Here's a link with some of it verified...

http://www.cantonrep.com/news/20180122/hartville-man-says-he-dumped-wifes-body-in-tennessee-river

"Police have confirmed through receipts Philip Snider left for Memphis on Jan 4... Checked into a Days Inn across from Graceland on Jan 5 around noon and checked out at 3:30 a.m. the next morning."


We know too that he went to a Benton County Days Inn just a couple hours later. My reasoning about why he drove such a short distance after leaving the hotel at Graceland was that he needed to get her body into the plastic bags and prepared to be thrown off the bridge.

In other words, in my opinion, he had made that decision while he was at the Graceland hotel to throw her body into the Tennessee River. He needed a place close to the River to plan it all out.

From everything I've read, I cannot find where he stopped anywhere else on the way home. He may have, but I haven't found it yet.

I would imagine though he would have been pretty wired up from tossing her body off the bridge. So he might have had enough adrenaline to drive straight on home from that point.

( All of this is assuming he is telling the truth about throwing her body off the bridge. Her body could be anywhere, really... )

I'll keep trying to find anything that will firm up the official timeline.

As for the obituary, maybe someone else knows the details on the dates about that...

Thanks for all your efforts here...


JMO

 

[JazzTune]

Ok, I’m going to bring up something unpleasant, so I apologize now for doing it, BUT, it does relate to the questions at hand that we are all pondering...

If Bobby was alive and she died supposedly in his front seat...Umm..*shrugs* ...When someone dies doesn’t their bodily functions all just ..’let go’..and if that were the case, then I would imagine that no amount of cleaning by PS would suffice to get the trace evidence out of his vehicle, correct??...*shrugs* ...To me, lack of that evidence in his vehicle would be extremely damning...

( RSBM )

You're correct. At death, muscles relax, passive vomiting, bowel and bladder secretions often occur. ( Sorry for the visual...)

Personally I think it may have happened and could be the exact reason why Philip was asking about a car wash when he checked out of the hotel at Graceland.

However, it doesn't happen with every death. Before I went into Psychiatric Nursing, I worked in the Emergency Department of my hospital for over ten years. We saved a lot of lives, but unfortunately we lost a few too.

Some of the ones we lost never had any body secretions at all after death. None. So it's not an absolute, concrete fact. Just more of a likely probability, in my experience...


JMO

 

[DAnthrplgst]

Something that's been bugging me about this case is PS story that he dumped her off the bridge. I believe it was watergirl a few pages back who posted a close-up map of the bridge. On that map there are A LOT of little land masses and marshlands between the bridge and where the river opens up. I just can't see someone dumping a body off that bridge and it not getting caught up on one of those land masses or stuck in one of the marshes. Either PS is the luckiest body dumper alive or he didn't drop the body from the I40 bridge.

 

[JazzTune]

Something that's been bugging me about this case is PS story that he dumped her off the bridge. I believe it was watergirl a few pages back who posted a close-up map of the bridge. On that map there are A LOT of little land masses and marshlands between the bridge and where the river opens up. I just can't see someone dumping a body off that bridge and it not getting caught up on one of those land masses or stuck in one of the marshes. Either PS is the luckiest body dumper alive or he didn't drop the body from the I40 bridge.

Good point. I think there's a lot of people who are scratching their heads over this. Especially in view of the lies he's already admitted he's told.

I posted a link yesterday where the Hartville Police Chief said the River was swift moving, and they wondered if her body was even in the same county where she was dumped.

However, I found a link that seems to add a little bit more.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...s-body-river-after-trip-graceland/1056510001/

According to Benton County Sheriff, Kenny Christopher:

"Our Benton County Rescue Squad went out and drug underneath the bridge and drove over the area searching with boats for about five to six miles," Christopher said.

"And they haven't found anything. We are thinking if this story is true, she may be hung down there or if the bag is filled with water it may be holding the bag under the water. Or she may be past the search area."

( BBM )

He went on to state that he and two of his deputies had walked the marsh area around the bridge too on Jan. 9, and found nothing.

He added too that the Benson County authorities along with the Tennessee Highway Patrol had searched by helicopter Jan. 10 but still found no sign either.

So you may be right. Makes you wonder what really happened...

By the way, I want to express my gratitude and condolences also for how beautifully you shared your grief and wisdom of your tragic losses. You lost your brother so young, and then your mother too when you were only in your early twenties. Really heartbreaking...

Thank you for using your pain and wisdom to try to help others...

I appreciate your posts, especially on Blaze's thread. You have given me such a better understanding of some of the dynamics involved...

Glad you're here...

 

[koogs61]

IMO so far all that I have read leads me to think that Bobby was already passed by the time they reached their first stop, possibly even before they set off. I don't do social media so I have not seen a pic of how muscular he is - capable of moving a body? If so then a body in full rigor? For her to have passed later in the trip he would have had to be capable of this (my understanding and rambling and please correct me if I am wrong).

 

[watergirl62]

Danthro: It was Gussified who posted the bridge pics.

Gussified:
From the email: 'Phil came in on Monday with a tiny no information obit and then on Tuesday with his son to add Phil, her boys and brothers and sisters names.'

^^^
This alone speaks volumes to me.

 

[Yvettea]

Danthro: It was Gussified who posted the bridge pics.

Gussified:
From the email: 'Phil came in on Monday with a tiny no information obit and then on Tuesday with his son to add Phil, her boys and brothers and sisters names.'

^^^
This alone speaks volumes to me.

The difficulty writing the obituary could possibly reflect a loss of organizational skills (consistent with dementia.)

 

[watergirl62]

The difficulty writing the obituary could possibly reflect a loss of organizational skills (consistent with dementia.)

I agree. My dad deteriorated from an Alzheimers diagnosis to I'm not sure he knew who I was and he couldn't hold a thought long enough to complete a comprehensive sentence when I saw him the last time in October in... 3 years? I can't pinpoint when name recollection went FUBAR, but it was maybe a year ago.

I don't think PS honestly remembers what happened, but I sense there may have been a hell-or-highwater I am taking her to Graceland for her birthday sentiment swirling somewhere in his confused head and it may have been based on something they discussed 20 years ago. No idea.

 

[PetDetective]

I agree. My dad deteriorated from an Alzheimers diagnosis to I'm not sure he knew who I was and he couldn't hold a thought long enough to complete a comprehensive sentence when I saw him the last time in October in... 3 years? I can't pinpoint when name recollection went FUBAR, but it was maybe a year ago.

I don't think PS honestly remembers what happened, but I sense there may have been a hell-or-highwater I am taking her to Graceland for her birthday sentiment swirling somewhere in his confused head and it may have been based on something they discussed 20 years ago. No idea.

I’m leaning that way as well. I just think being in a compromised state of mind may explain his decision to take her body to Graceland, but at some point reality smacked him upside his head and he realized he was away from home with a dead body in his truck and freaked out.

Wonder where the garbage bags came from? Did he buy them at a store somewhere along the way or were they from home?


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[JazzTune]

I agree. My dad deteriorated from an Alzheimers diagnosis to I'm not sure he knew who I was and he couldn't hold a thought long enough to complete a comprehensive sentence when I saw him the last time in October in... 3 years? I can't pinpoint when name recollection went FUBAR, but it was maybe a year ago.

I don't think PS honestly remembers what happened, but I sense there may have been a hell-or-highwater I am taking her to Graceland for her birthday sentiment swirling somewhere in his confused head and it may have been based on something they discussed 20 years ago. No idea.

Am so very sorry to hear what you've gone through with your father. How agonizing it must be for you to see him like that...

On top of everything else you've dealt with as well. Dang anyway. You've sure had more than your share.

Just want to say, I really appreciate your posts, and am glad you're here with us too...

 

[watergirl62]

I’m leaning that way as well. I just think being in a compromised state of mind may explain his decision to take her body to Graceland, but at some point reality smacked him upside his head and he realized he was away from home with a dead body in his truck and freaked out.

Wonder where the garbage bags came from? Did he buy them at a store somewhere along the way or were they from home?


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Thanks for being so thoughtful, JazzTune. [emoji171] I am planning another trip to visit him soon.

PetDetective:
Garbage bags... Maybe he got them from the Dollar General by the Days Inn?

 

[PetDetective]

Thanks for being so thoughtful, JazzTune. [emoji171] I am planning another trip to visit him soon.

PetDetective:
Garbage bags... Maybe he got them from the Dollar General by the Days Inn?

Possibly, if I were LE I would think it would be worth checking the surveillance footage of nearby stores. Verifying that he purchased the bags on the trip would at least prove she wasn’t already bagged up when he left home.


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[Steelslady]

See, we're focusing on his alleged dementia, to which LE has NEVER confirmed that he has it! It was Bobby's brother who said he might have early onset dementia- it isn't a fact at this point. Yet everybody keeps speculating situations where his dementia caused him to do such and such, and again, this is NOT a fact yet.

It has NOT been confirmed that Bobby was ill and at the end of her life by LE. PS said that she was at the end of life and was sick with cancer, but again, LE has never confirmed this.

As one person mentioned several pages back, when you strip this entire case down, we know of two things- two people left on that trip (we don't even know if Bobby was on that trip, to be honest- no one saw her leave, get in the truck, or on the way in the truck, come to think of it), and only one came back. That's all that we know as a fact- two people left, one came back. Yet, do we even know that Bobby went on that trip? Where is the evidence of her going on this trip?

LE should clarify this with the press, because it does make a difference, one way or the other.

 

[Steelslady]

See, we're focusing on his alleged dementia, to which LE has NEVER confirmed that he has it! It was Bobby's brother who said he might have early onset dementia- it isn't a fact at this point. Yet everybody keeps speculating situations where his dementia caused him to do such and such, and again, this is NOT a fact yet.

It has NOT been confirmed that Bobby was ill and at the end of her life by LE. PS said that she was at the end of life and was sick with cancer, but again, LE has never confirmed this.

As one person mentioned several pages back, when you strip this entire case down, we know of two things- two people left on that trip (we don't even know if Bobby was on that trip, to be honest- no one saw her leave, get in the truck, or on the way in the truck, come to think of it), and only one came back. That's all that we know as a fact- two people left, one came back. Yet, do we even know that Bobby went on that trip? Where is the evidence of her going on this trip?

LE should clarify this with the press, because it does make a difference, one way or the other.

Expounding on my comment above, if I may- for all we know, he could have killed her at home and buried her somewhere in the woods either locally or on the way to Tennessee. He could have been using the trip as an alibi of sorts- in other words, he was trying to make her last birthday special, so he took her one more time- see, I have hotel receipts to prove we were there, see, I bought gas and food at such and such places for her and I, etc.

I have heard of cases where innocent people flunked the lie detector tests out of nerves- the poor grandmother in Jessica Lunsford case willingly took a polygraph test and flunked it, yet the poor lady had nothing to do with her horrific murder. I have also seen some suspects pass it like Gary Ridgway, the Green River Killer. While those tests are decent to get suspects talking, they are not full proof. He may have passed the part about dumping her body in the river- but it makes me wonder if he just was very calm during that part and wasn't fazed by the question, hence why no spike when he answered. This is why they're not admissible in court.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

See, we're focusing on his alleged dementia, to which LE has NEVER confirmed that he has it! It was Bobby's brother who said he might have early onset dementia- it isn't a fact at this point. Yet everybody keeps speculating situations where his dementia caused him to do such and such, and again, this is NOT a fact yet.

It has NOT been confirmed that Bobby was ill and at the end of her life by LE. PS said that she was at the end of life and was sick with cancer, but again, LE has never confirmed this.

As one person mentioned several pages back, when you strip this entire case down, we know of two things- two people left on that trip (we don't even know if Bobby was on that trip, to be honest- no one saw her leave, get in the truck, or on the way in the truck, come to think of it), and only one came back. That's all that we know as a fact- two people left, one came back. Yet, do we even know that Bobby went on that trip? Where is the evidence of her going on this trip?

LE should clarify this with the press, because it does make a difference, one way or the other.

I thought someone just posted a link and quote where her brother said she had cancer - posted in last day or two. I don't see why he would lie, and I would assume he would know.

He also, surely, has good reason to suspect dementia.

Point is that LE is taking his statements into account, and it makes sense that we would, too, rather than to disregard statements from someone close to both the victim and the POI.


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[Steelslady]

I thought someone just posted a link and quote where her brother said she had cancer - posted in last day or two. I don't see why he would lie, and I would assume he would know.

He also, surely, has good reason to suspect dementia.

Point is that LE is taking his statements into account, and it makes sense that we would, too, rather than to disregard statements from someone close to both the victim and the POI.


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How many times have we seen LE keep things close to their vests and not clarify things like this because they know it's not true? Or that someone is lying, and others may cover for that person?

Perhaps she was very sick, according to the brother. Perhaps he does have dementia, according to her brother. Yet LE has not confirmed this. I forget which LE stated that he was basically getting frustrated with PS and that he wanted him to stop lying and tell them the truth. This is why I am on the fence about the brother's statements. What about their sons? Why has neither one spoken up on their father's behalf to collaborate the brother's statements? If this was my father and he had dementia, I would not be shy about defending him to the press, especially if he was a decent man and loved my mother very much and would never harm her. No one else so far has defended PS in the media or social media- no other family members, her kids, friends of the family, neighbors, acquaintances. No one.

No one has posted anywhere or been quoted in any articles of seeing Bobby leave for that trip with PS-, get in the truck on her own, go to the lady's room at a gas station, eat at a restaurant, check in/out of either hotel, shopping along the way. No one. Usually you hear of one or two people that may have sighted her say at a gas station or going to get something to eat, something, if she was on that trip with him, or with him alive, should I say.

Most of the time, people here WANT TRUE facts, not just one itty bitty teeny weeny statement by one person in the family to prove such a thing. Bobby has many other family members, no one else has come forward in PS's defense. Just her brother.

You're usually a fact checker yourself and constantly correct others, demanding that they're wrong on here and in other posts- most of the time, you are right, and I do appreciate you clearing things up, as we do get confused between facts and rumors on here, or misinterpretations of articles or interviews. This is why I find it so hard to believe that in this case, you're taking one person's comments as factual, when it has not been confirmed by LE what so ever. I do believe LE in the beginning may have taken the brother's statement into consideration and went easy on him, but in my eyes, it seems that LE is more suspicious now about PS and whether or not Bobby actually went on that trip, with the recent developments of DNA samples and other things they're doing to try and find Bobby and what truly happened to her.

Also, the timeline is very suspect to me.

 

[always reading]

I thought someone just posted a link and quote where her brother said she had cancer - posted in last day or two. I don't see why he would lie, and I would assume he would know.

He also, surely, has good reason to suspect dementia.

Point is that LE is taking his statements into account, and it makes sense that we would, too, rather than to disregard statements from someone close to both the victim and the POI.


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I haven't read that her brother said that. Maybe I missed it? Can someone point me in the right direction?

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[Deleted member 158085]

How many times have we seen LE keep things close to their vests and not clarify things like this because they know it's not true? Or that someone is lying, and others may cover for that person?

Perhaps she was very sick, according to the brother. Perhaps he does have dementia, according to her brother. Yet LE has not confirmed this. I forget which LE stated that he was basically getting frustrated with PS and that he wanted him to stop lying and tell them the truth. This is why I am on the fence about the brother's statements. What about their sons? Why has neither one spoken up on their father's behalf to collaborate the brother's statements? If this was my father and he had dementia, I would not be shy about defending him to the press, especially if he was a decent man and loved my mother very much and would never harm her. No one else so far has defended PS in the media or social media- no other family members, her kids, friends of the family, neighbors, acquaintances. No one.

No one has posted anywhere or been quoted in any articles of seeing Bobby leave for that trip with PS-, get in the truck on her own, go to the lady's room at a gas station, eat at a restaurant, check in/out of either hotel, shopping along the way. No one. Usually you hear of one or two people that may have sighted her say at a gas station or going to get something to eat, something, if she was on that trip with him, or with him alive, should I say.

Most of the time, people here WANT TRUE facts, not just one itty bitty teeny weeny statement by one person in the family to prove such a thing. Bobby has many other family members, no one else has come forward in PS's defense. Just her brother.

You're usually a fact checker yourself and constantly correct others, demanding that they're wrong on here and in other posts- most of the time, you are right, and I do appreciate you clearing things up, as we do get confused between facts and rumors on here, or misinterpretations of articles or interviews. This is why I find it so hard to believe that in this case, you're taking one person's comments as factual, when it has not been confirmed by LE what so ever. I do believe LE in the beginning may have taken the brother's statement into consideration and went easy on him, but in my eyes, it seems that LE is more suspicious now about PS and whether or not Bobby actually went on that trip, with the recent developments of DNA samples and other things they're doing to try and find Bobby and what truly happened to her.

Also, the timeline is very suspect to me.

Yes, and my fact checking is exactly why I made the statements I did. Turns out LE is who has said she was dying of cancer.

From JazzTune's post from yesterday:

Also in different posts here, some people have wondered whether Roberta was actually sick, or if that was only Philip's word.

http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/.../37409993/roberta-snider-story

From the link above, here is the following statement:

"Investigators said Philip's wife of more than two decades, 69 year old Roberta Snider, was dying from cancer."

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