OH OH - Roberta 'Bobby' Snider, 70, Hartville, 4 Jan 2018 *Guilty*

[meanmaryjean]

http://www.cantonrep.com/news/20180...st-philip-snider-in-death-of-his-wife-roberta

Thanks for the link, justchrissy47. From the link too:

"The chief declined to disclose what led police to determine that Snider had killed his wife.

"I'm not going to go beyond what I said," Dordea said. "Our job isn't done yet, and we're still working on it."



This is what I would really love to know! How they determined it was murder. Glad LE never gave up on the case.

Myself, I was a fence-sitter the entire time, swaying back and forth. Usually though, I was leaning toward dementia the majority of the time. Looks like I was definitely wrong, and am now eating a heaping plate of crow! :blushing:

My apologies to anyone I may have possibly offended along the way. I can be really stubborn.

Hat's off too, to all who were correct about their convictions. Good job!


JMO

Crow is one of the basic food groups around here, isn't it?

I've been plenty wrong about plenty of cases (the gal who was kidnapped and dropped off near her dad's house springs to mind). It happens!

 

[Steelslady]

OMG! I have company staying with me and checked the thread yesterday morning.

I still have company but thought I'd quickly check and now see the news!!!!!

You, and everyone on this thread has shown how they care about Bobbie by hanging in there, Steelslady. I think we are ready for the next chapter now.

May Bobbie be found and given a proper burial for her children's sake as well as her own.

*I have wanted this to happen!

Thank you so much for the kind words. My heart just aches for her! God, I pray she didn't suffer long, whatever he did to her. So heartbreaking that she's been gone all this time while he carried on with life like nothing happened. May she rest in peace, now that we know she is officially deceased and was sadly murdered.

http://www.cantonrep.com/news/20180...st-philip-snider-in-death-of-his-wife-roberta

Thanks for the link, justchrissy47. From the link too:

"The chief declined to disclose what led police to determine that Snider had killed his wife.

"I'm not going to go beyond what I said," Dordea said. "Our job isn't done yet, and we're still working on it."



This is what I would really love to know! How they determined it was murder. Glad LE never gave up on the case.

Myself, I was a fence-sitter the entire time, swaying back and forth. Usually though, I was leaning toward dementia the majority of the time. Looks like I was definitely wrong, and am now eating a heaping plate of crow! :blushing:

My apologies to anyone I may have possibly offended along the way. I can be really stubborn.

Hat's off too, to all who were correct about their convictions. Good job!


JMO

Sweetie, you own no one an apology! I am glad you and others kept it real- just in case it was dementia related, some of us could have been wrong. You're a kind and caring person- nothing wrong with showing compassion, especially since her brother said he thought PS might have dementia (although, LE never confirmed this).

I honestly wish that she had truly died on her way to see her beloved Elvis than to know she was murdered in her home town instead. They must have some heavy duty evidence against him, especially with bail being set that high!

Heartbreaking news to read she was indeed, murdered. Prayers for her loved ones and friends, how awful for them to know her husband killed her. I feel for her children.

 

[Steelslady]

http://www.cantonrep.com/news/20180...st-philip-snider-in-death-of-his-wife-roberta

JMO

RSBM- This stood out to me:

But police found surveillance camera videos that showed he was alone during the trip, and he then told police that after his wife died, he threw her body into the Tennessee River near Interstate 40.

So, it sounds like he killed her, did something with her body in their home town, then went to Graceland to concoct some ridiculous story about her death?

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Just checking in. (I do so about every two weeks but generally don't post anywhere.) Thanks to JazzTune for alerting me to activity on this. Hopefully we will find out more soon about how they came to this conclusion.

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[Gardener1850]

RSBM- This stood out to me:

But police found surveillance camera videos that showed he was alone during the trip, and he then told police that after his wife died, he threw her body into the Tennessee River near Interstate 40.

So, it sounds like he killed her, did something with her body in their home town, then went to Graceland to concoct some ridiculous story about her death?

Or he had killed her at home and put her body in the back of the truck wrapped in plastic, like he said. She wouldn't be seen on camera if she was already deceased prior to the trip. And he did ask the hotel clerk for the location of a car wash and was eager to clean his truck. The trip to Graceland might have been to throw LE off but it also might have been when he disposed of her body. I don't think he told the truth about putting her in the river, JMO. She could have been put anywhere between there and home. Hopefully they are examining the timeline carefully to figure out where he spent most of his time. She has been carefully hidden, IMO and that takes planning of some kind or a little bit of exploring to find the right location. Did he have a day or two before he left on the Graceland trip where he could have gone the opposite direction to hide her? When was the last time she spoke to family again?

ETA: Found the answer to my last question-- she spoke to her brother on the phone Jan 1st. He could have had a few days prior to the trip. JMO.

 

[meanmaryjean]

Or he had killed her at home and put her body in the back of the truck wrapped in plastic, like he said. She wouldn't be seen on camera if she was already deceased prior to the trip. And he did ask the hotel clerk for the location of a car wash and was eager to clean his truck. The trip to Graceland might have been to throw LE off but it also might have been when he disposed of her body. I don't think he told the truth about putting her in the river, JMO. She could have been put anywhere between there and home. Hopefully they are examining the timeline carefully to figure out where he spent most of his time. She has been carefully hidden, IMO and that takes planning of some kind or a little bit of exploring to find the right location. Did he have a day or two before he left on the Graceland trip where he could have gone the opposite direction to hide her? When was the last time she spoke to family again?

^^this^^

 

[Gardener1850]

Thank you, but I do have moments of going off the deep end with crazy theories sometimes too :blushing:
I do try to look at facts first. I'll attempt to answer my own questions now with a list of what we know:

Things LE has stated as facts/has evidence of:

LE searched the Snider home Abigail Street SW and found receipts from the trip
Receipts showed PS left Ohio and went to Tennessee
PS left Ohio on Jan 4th
PS checked into a Memphis hotel Jan 5th around 12:30 and checked out at 3:30 a.m. the next day.
Video shows PS checking in to the hotel in Memphis alone
Video shows PS checking into the hotel in Benton County the next day
Roberta does not appear on video checking into the Memphis hotel
The credit card used was in Bobby’s name only and police cannot access those records without a judge’s order

Benton County Sheriff confirmed PS stayed at the Days Inn in Memphis
Sheriff also confirmed PS stayed at the Days Inn in Benton County at exit 126

LE searched through PS's phone
LE checked PS's credit card records
LE is looking at GPS data
LE are looking for witnesses who saw the Hartville couple during the journey

No records for Roberta could be located at the Memphis coroner's office, EMS companies, or hospitals
No records of any jane doe matching her description were found
Memphis first responders never logged any calls matching her death.
PS never called 911.

Benton County Sheriff's Office in Tennessee has been searching the river
The sheriff and two men walked the Marsh area on Jan 9th
Tennessee Highway Patrol searched the area by helicopter Jan. 10
investigators returned to the river and searched the area again Jan. 13
Benton County rescue squad drug underneath the bridge and drove over the area searching with boats for about five to six miles

PS took an FBI polygraph test. The results have not yet been released.

Police have stated PS's memory might be suspect. They have also said he is deceptive.

Benton County Sheriff Kenny Christopher states that Roberta's Doctor did not think she was in good enough health to survive an 11.5 hour car trip each way

Police have entered Bobby’s name and photo into a national database of missing persons, noting that she is believed to be deceased

Other "facts" the press has reported:

Roberta's brother last spoke to his sister on New Year’s Day
Roberta's brother reported her missing
Roberta's brother first told police about the strange story his BIL was telling about how Roberta died
Roberta's brother said he contact police after his BIL returned home without Roberta
Roberta's brother said PS claimed he left her ashes at Graceland
Roberta's brother says Roberta always wanted to be cremated and didn't want her ashes on a mantel
Philip and Bobby told at least one of their children they were headed to Graceland

Roberta's brother believes Snider may be suffering from dementia
Roberta's brother doesn't think it was foul play or malicisous

A recording at a phone number for Snider said the number was no longer in service.
A clerk at Days Inn told the news Philip Snider was asking about car washes near the hotel
A statement from Days Inn shows Snider paid a total of $97.29 for the room for one night.
Days Inn employees said he used his wife's credit card.
Hotel staff that checked PS in to the Days Inn did not see Roberta

The statement shows he checked out at 3:30 a.m. the next day.
WMC Action News 5 checked with the motel in Kentucky and "they said they did not know what we were talking about".

The Sniders have been married for 53 years
The former mayor of Hartville, Ohio has been their neighbor for 9 yearsThe Sniders moved to a condo in Hartville after filing for Chapter 7 bankruptcy in 2008
The Sniders lost their house in Plain Township to foreclosure.
The Sniders claimed to be nearly $145,000 in debtin the court records

Things Phillip Snider has said but are unverified/conflicting:

She was in poor health (but alive) when they left home
This was to be their last trip
She died of natural causes
She died on the trip to Graceland
It was her dying wish to see Graceland one last time
They drove about 285 miles and stopped at a Ramada Inn in Sparta, Ky on Jan 4th
He misplaced his wallet so he had to use Roberta's credit card

She died in Kentucky
She died in the hotel parking lot in Memphis
He flagged down an ambulance in the parking lot
She got taken away by an ambulance outside a hotel
Paramedics confirmed to him that she was dead before they took her away
He didn't know where they took her
He just went home after his wife was taken away dead

He left her in the back of the truck after she died
He went to Graceland without her
He spent the night in the hotel in Memphis while Roberta's body was still in the truck
He checked into the hotel in Benton County with her body still in the truck
He wrapped her body in plastic
He placed her body in two large black plastic bags because she had wanted to be cremated when she passed away
He thought it would be better that he put her in the bags and return her to earth by putting her in the river
He threw her body over a bridge into the Tennessee river
He did that to "put her with nature"
He claims he threw her over the bridge Jan 6th after checking out of the Benton County hotel
He said heard her body hit the water

Some Media Sources:
https://www.ohio.com/akron/news/wha...she-died-during-their-trip-to-elvis-graceland
http://www.cantonrep.com/news/20180112/hartville-police-probing-womans-road-trip-death
http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story/37299844/wife-missing-after-ohio-couples-trip-to-graceland
http://www.localmemphis.com/news/lo...ie-in-memphis-as-her-husband-claims/926344769
http://wreg.com/2018/01/15/police-probe-mans-claim-that-wife-died-on-graceland-trip/
http://www.wbbjtv.com/2018/01/22/ohio-snider/
http://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/stark-county/hartville-man-admits-to-dumping-wifes-body-in-tennessee-river-after-claiming-she-disappeared/95-510573955
http://www.kare11.com/article/news/...land/465-4fbc8ccd-0622-4e32-b21a-3b8001e811d1
http://fox61.com/2018/01/22/husband...into-river-after-wife-died-of-natural-causes/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...s-body-river-after-trip-graceland/1056510001/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/22/police-man-who-says-wife-died-on-road-trip-changes-story.html
http://www.dispatch.com/news/201801...dy-in-tennessee-river-after-trip-to-graceland

I was looking back to try to remember when she last spoke to family and found my rambling post of what we knew as of Jan 23rd. Bumping it up because all the deception and story changing is obvious now that her husband has been arrested (and this is a good review of what LE did). This answers my question above about when she was last known to be alive-- Bobby spoke to her brother on the phone on Jan 1. Her husband could have had a few days prior to the trip to hide her. JMO.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Husband charged with murder in Hartville woman’s bizarre disappearance

HARTVILLE, Ohio– An arrest has been made in the case of a missing woman, the Hartville police chief told the FOX I-Team.

The Hartville Police Department arrested Philip Snider Friday afternoon on an aggravated murder warrant in connection with the disappearance of his 70-year-old wife, Roberta. Snider is being held on a $5 million bond and is expected to be in court next week.

[SBM]

[...]

http://fox8.com/2018/04/20/husband-charged-with-murder-in-hartville-womans-bizarre-diappearance/

I am glad that PS has been arrested, but like a previous poster, I’m also feeling absolutely terrible for their children. For their sake, I hope that Bobbie is found.

The fact that PS was arrested on an aggravated murder charge is of particular interest to me: According to Ohio Law, if convicted, he would get either the death penalty or life in prison per
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2929.02

One of the categories of aggravated murder in OH is:
“No person shall purposely, and with prior calculation and design, cause the death of another or the unlawful termination of another's pregnancy.”
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2903.01

Maybe there were signs of premeditation.

Given the fact that no body has been found, authorities must have pretty damming evidence against PS, IMO. Physical evidence inside the home or the truck perhaps? LE did get “a court order to get Philip Snider’s DNA” back in February:

http://fox8.com/2018/02/01/i-team-police-gathering-new-evidence-in-search-for-missing-hartville-woman/?utm_source=related_1

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I'm convinced that the reason the police took such a long time to arrest him has to do with locating all the surveillance cameras to prove Bobbi wasn't "on the trip" alive.

I can't imagine the number of man-hours it took to follow his trail from camera to camera. They had to locate the first and watch for a long time to figure out the direction he was going. Then, they had to find another, and another and another.

Kudos to LE for keeping things close to the vest in what had to be this multi-state investigation.

 

[osu]

Philip Snider’s arraignment is this morning in Canton Municipal Court in Stark County. Trying to find a news outlet that might be streaming it live.


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[Gardener1850]

I'm convinced that the reason the police took such a long time to arrest him has to do with locating all the surveillance cameras to prove Bobbi wasn't "on the trip" alive.

I can't imagine the number of man-hours it took to follow his trail from camera to camera. They had to locate the first and watch for a long time to figure out the direction he was going. Then, they had to find another, and another and another.

Kudos to LE for keeping things close to the vest in what had to be this multi-state investigation.

Yes, all good points. Other evidence can take a long time to process as well-- they collected DNA and probably took samples from his truck and home. And they collected computers and phones as well. If he attempted to delete info on his phone or computer-- it can still be recovered usually, but that takes time as well. As of January they needed a judge's order to get Roberta's credit card records. He used her card for the trip. I'm guessing they had to go through the legal hoops to get her credit card records to track his purchases. It will be interesting to see all the evidence they have that finally allowed for an arrest. JMO.

 

[Tealgrove]

His mugshot has the appearance of someone who is resigned to the fact he got caught. That was my first impression anyway.

Always felt he was guilty and I'm glad he got caught.

 

[JazzTune]

Philip Snider’s arraignment is this morning in Canton Municipal Court in Stark County. Trying to find a news outlet that might be streaming it live.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr3dr8OSXXg

I found this video of Philip's arraignment this morning. It was very short. If I'm hearing it correctly, he has been appointed a public defender.

The next Preliminary Hearing is set for next Monday, April 30th, at 11 a.m.


ETA: The video is by cantonrep. Cantonrep.com is the website for the Repository in Canton, Ohio which is a news media source there.

http://www.cantonrep.com/

 

[osu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr3dr8OSXXg

I found this video of Philip's arraignment this morning. It was very short. If I'm hearing it correctly, he has been appointed a public defender.

The next Preliminary Hearing is set for next Monday, April 30th, at 11 a.m.


ETA: The video is by cantonrep. Cantonrep.com is the website for the Repository in Canton, Ohio which is a news media source there.

http://www.cantonrep.com/

Thanks JazzTune.
Here’s photo of Snider (from todays arraignment), that was posted on the the Canton Repository Facebook page.

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[JazzTune]

http://www.cantonrep.com/news/20180423/hartville-man-makes-first-court-appearance-in-wifes-death

This article further clarifies the proceedings from Philip's arraignment yesterday, and explains the foreseeable legal procedures.

It confirms there is a status conference set for this Friday at 11 a.m. and a preliminary hearing next Monday, April 30 at 11 a.m. too.

From the link:

"Snider, who is represented by the Stark County Defender's Office, can waive the preliminary hearing and send the case over for a Stark County grand jury review or ask the Canton Prosecutor's Office to present evidence and show probable cause for his arrest on the allegation that he killed his 70-year-old wife who has been missing since early January. A grand jury would determine whether there's enough evidence to indict Snider."

( BBM )


The court video is also at this link but it sounded clearer to me, and easier to understand here...


JMO

 

[JazzTune]

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/...work/how_courts_work/pretrial_conference.html


Since I had no idea what a status conference was, ( which is set for Friday, ) I looked it up. If anyone else is interested too, here is information about it from the American Bar Association website.

"...Judges use pre-trial conferences with lawyers for many purposes. One type of conference gaining popularity is the status conference ( sometimes called the early conference). This conference - held after all initial pleadings have been filed - helps the judge manage the case. Judges use it to establish a time frame for concluding all pre-trial activities and may set a tentative trial date at this time."


( By the way, it was too late to edit my prior post when I discovered I omitted the word 'Public' for Public Defender's Office that is representing Philip. Sorry! It seems I only see many of my typos after the edit time has expired...:blushing: )

 

[Seajay]

Finally! Good job, LE. I quit believing the dementia angle early on, when he kept changing his story and seemed like o go on with th his life. Justice for Bobbie. Although I don't believe she will ever be found, at least Philip will answer for what he did to her. I hated thinking he told those big tales and it just got dropped. IMO

 

[KJ's Mamu]

Very glad to see this development...I was beginning to think he was going to get away with it!

 

[Steelslady]

Philip Snider pleads not guilty to his wife's murder:

https://www.wbir.com/article/news/c...-pleads-not-guilty-to-her-murder/51-545643972

I wonder how soon their condo was sold? Didn't we see a garage sale or something from their residence a few pages back? I find it interesting that he sold the condo shortly after she "died":

(from the article link above)

A neighbor of Snider's said he sold the couple's condo shortly after Roberta disappeared and moved into some nearby apartments.

This is still haunting me. Praying she is found soon and can be given a proper burial by her family. LE must have some strong evidence to arrest him and set the bail so high.

I don't know why, but I honestly never felt she was dumped in the river. I always felt she was killed at home and buried somewhere not too far from home. He had a couple of days before leaving for Graceland to do all of that. Perhaps he wanted to clean up his truck out there thinking no one would think much about him going to a car wash out there versus some place local where he might be caught on camera or seen by locals.

I also wonder why his photo was never posted in the beginning when Bobbie first went missing. I really think they might have shot themselves in the foot by not declaring him a POI right from the start and not getting his photo out there. So much time has passed- someone could have seen him doing something odd locally but has probably forgotten by now because of the lack of publicity.

Bobbie, where are you? My heart just aches for her family.

 

[JazzTune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jZTu2z1dCE

Just found this short video of an interview with Police Chief Larry Dordea with News 5 Cleveland.

It was done right after Philip was arrested. In it, Chief Dordea sounds very encouraged with LE's case against Philip.

Dordea:

"...We're looking very much forward to getting to the grand jury on this case and presenting evidence..."

"...We're being careful with what we disclose. I can tell you we've done a good job. Been very thorough..."



JMO