OH - Samuel Dubose, 43, killed by Cincinnati LE during traffic stop, 19 July 2015

[Vinny]

Seems unmistakable to me that he accelerates AFTER the shot. At 1:55 you can clearly see that Samuel has his hands up when he is shot.

 

[Tssiemer]

Video analysis supports claim by Officer Tensing that he was dragged

In this second body cam video from an officer behind Tensing we see Tensing picking himself off the ground where he was violently tossed when SD took off. Notice how far up the street Tensing is! He is farther up the street from where he stopped SD.

Second bodycam (freeze video at 11 sec mark)
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...police-responding-sam-dubose-shooting-n401231

Here is Officer Tensings bodycam. Note how close his cruiser is parked behind SD (freeze video at 46 sec mark). How did he wind up way up the street if he wasn't dragged?
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...police-responding-sam-dubose-shooting-n401231

As a reference point notice from the Tensing bodycam (freeze at 46 sec mark) that SD's car is directly opposite a point in the road they has what looks like a mound of dirt. This is where Tensing would have been standing during the stop. Now in the second bodycam video (freeze at 11 sec mark) note that Tensing is a good ten feet ahead of this mound of dirt as he picks himself up (in this video we see that another car is now parked had of this mound of dirt).

Tensing tells the second officer that he was dragged to which the second officer "yeah I saw that". It is important to note that these comments were captured contemporaneously to the event, i.e. they were not "cooked" up at a later date as a way to deflect blame. The incident reports reflect these contemporaneous comments as captured on video. It is nonsense therefore for the prosecutor and the family's hired gun - Mark O'Mara to allege that the reports are at odds with the video.

Unfortunately there does not seem to be any dashcam video. If Tensings car was equipped with one it wouldn't help because he pointed his car on a diagonal away from SD's car.

This incident shows the limitation of body cams. They should be used to supplement NOT replace dash cam's which IMO provide a better overview. Had this incident been captured by a dash-cam we would have seen the officer being dragged for a few feet before violently falling backward from the force the the fleeing car.

Are you kidding me? He ran up there!! How could the car drag him when it accelerated and crashed at the corner and he had to run to it?


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[KEVINinTO]

Are you kidding me? He ran up there!! How could the car drag him when it accelerated and crashed at the corner and he had to run to it?


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If you open up the two video's linked above and freeze frame them at the second mark I suggested you can compare the two frames side by side. In the frame showing SD's car stopped we notice it is opposite a mound of dirt on the side of the road. In the second frame where Officer Tensing is on the ground we can see he is further up the road past the mound of dirt. I would say about two car lengths. The video's do not lie. There is no question that the officer was dragged and this fact will IMO lead to his acquittal. No jury is going to convict an officer based on these sets of facts.

 

[jjenny]

His own body come doesn't appear to show him being dragged. SD seems to be taking off, and officer seems to be running alongside the moving car before shooting SD. Officer's hand appears to be inside the car, but I don't see it caught on anything.

 

[ZooSleuth]

He definitely moves up the street during the incident. You can tell by using the sign on the left side of the road as a reference. IMO he fired before he was drug though and that was completely unnecessary.

 

[KEVINinTO]

Video analysis supports claim by Officer Tensing that he was dragged

In this second body cam video from an officer behind Tensing we see Tensing picking himself off the ground where he was violently tossed when SD took off. Notice how far up the street Tensing is! He is farther up the street from where he stopped SD.

Second bodycam (freeze video at 11 sec mark)
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...police-responding-sam-dubose-shooting-n401231

Here is Officer Tensings bodycam. Note how close his cruiser is parked behind SD (freeze video at 46 sec mark). How did he wind up way up the street if he wasn't dragged?
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2015/07/29/publish/30830777/]

As a reference point notice from the Tensing bodycam (freeze at 46 sec mark) that SD's car is directly opposite a point in the road they has what looks like a mound of dirt. This is where Tensing would have been standing during the stop. Now in the second bodycam video (freeze at 11 sec mark) note that Tensing is a good ten feet ahead of this mound of dirt as he picks himself up (in this video we see that another car is now parked had of this mound of dirt).

Tensing tells the second officer that he was dragged to which the second officer "yeah I saw that". It is important to note that these comments were captured contemporaneously to the event, i.e. they were not "cooked" up at a later date as a way to deflect blame. The incident reports reflect these contemporaneous comments as captured on video. It is nonsense therefore for the prosecutor and the family's hired gun - Mark O'Mara to allege that the reports are at odds with the video.

Unfortunately there does not seem to be any dashcam video. If Tensings car was equipped with one it wouldn't help because he pointed his car on a diagonal away from SD's car.

This incident shows the limitation of body cams. They should be used to supplement NOT replace dash cam's which IMO provide a better overview. Had this incident been captured by a dash-cam we would have seen the officer being dragged for a few feet before violently falling backward from the force the the fleeing car.

I'm bumping my earlier post because I notice I posted the wrong link for the second video. It has now been corrected.

 

[KaaBoom]

Officer Samuel Dubose harassing black citizens last year. He should have been fired then.

[video=youtube;gBAqxiAKh6A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBAqxiAKh6A&[/video]

 

[KEVINinTO]

His own body come doesn't appear to show him being dragged. SD seems to be taking off, and officer seems to be running alongside the moving car before shooting SD. Officer's hand appears to be inside the car, but I don't see it caught on anything.

It's hard to tell from his body camera that he is being dragged but if you look closely you can see proof that he was in fact dragged.

In the below unedited video - notice the following:

At the 1:22 second mark notice the distance between SD's car and the silver car parked ahead.

At the the 3:19 second mark notice where the officer is in relation to the silver car as he picks himself off the ground. He is almost at its back bumper!

After viewing this video multiple times it is apparent to me that the officer shot SD in the head as he was being dragged along side the car. Critics will say "why didn't the officer just let him go". The answer - I believe is that the officer had his arm caught inside the door. This is why when he managed to break free he fell backward.

The narrative presented by the prosecutor and the lawyer representing the family is not supported by the video's in fact the video's completely contradict the narratives and prove them false (the prosecutor ridiculously alleged that the officer shot SD in the head first causing SD to slump forward and set the car in motion).

[video=youtube;7AC9zLzsCaQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AC9zLzsCaQ[/video]

 

[jjenny]

Seems unmistakable to me that he accelerates AFTER the shot. At 1:55 you can clearly see that Samuel has his hands up when he is shot.

If SD's foot wasn't on the accelerator, motor wasn't running, car wasn't in "drive" position, how would the car accelerate after SD was shot? I believe the car started moving before SD was shot. Then it accelerated further after he was shot.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

It's hard to tell from his body camera that he is being dragged but if you look closely you can see proof that he was in fact dragged.

In the below unedited video - notice the following:

At the 1:22 second mark notice the distance between SD's car and the silver car parked ahead.

At the the 3:19 second mark notice where the officer is in relation to the silver car as he picks himself off the ground. He is almost at its back bumper!

After viewing this video multiple times it is apparent to me that the officer shot SD in the head as he was being dragged along side the car. Critics will say "why didn't the officer just let him go". The answer - I believe is that the officer had his arm caught inside the door. This is why when he managed to break free he fell backward.

The narrative presented by the prosecutor and the lawyer representing the family is not supported by the video's in fact the video's completely contradict the narratives and prove them false (the prosecutor ridiculously alleged that the officer shot SD in the head first causing SD to slump forward and set the car in motion).

[video=youtube;7AC9zLzsCaQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AC9zLzsCaQ[/video]

at 3.17 the officer shot him. The officer wasn't dragged, either the car moving knocked him back or the recoil from the shooting did.

The bumper is on the car opposite, not the silver car.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Officer Samuel Dubose harassing black citizens last year. He should have been fired then.

[video=youtube;gBAqxiAKh6A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBAqxiAKh6A&[/video]

equipment violation but the officers won't write a ticket? wth?!

 

[KEVINinTO]

Another fact that proves that SD sped off with the officer clinging to the side of his car is the fact that SD obviously had to steer around the silver car parked ahead of him. This would require him to swerve right. If we believe the false narrative being put forward that the officer shot SD in the head causing SD to slump forward setting the car in motion - that car would have smashed directly into the back of the silver car because when it was stopped it front wheels were pointing forward.

What this also means is the officer was in a position where he could have been pulled under the back wheels of SD's car. Imagine being entangled on the side of of a car and the driver is speeding off and veering left to avoid a car in front of him (i.e. not going in a straight line). This officer could have been very seriously injured or killed and yet the prosecutor has the gall to say SD wasn't violent or aggressive towards the officer? Mark O'Mara claims the video proves SD "was who he was.. I peaceful man". IMO SD showed no regard for the safety of the officer. He was anything but peaceful.

 

[Montjoy]

Officer Samuel Dubose harassing black citizens last year. He should have been fired then.

[video=youtube;gBAqxiAKh6A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBAqxiAKh6A&[/video]

I think you mean Officer Ray Tensing.

 

[Vinny]

If SD's foot wasn't on the accelerator, motor wasn't running, car wasn't in "drive" position, how would the car accelerate after SD was shot? I believe the car started moving before SD was shot. Then it accelerated further after he was shot.

Well, you are right, sort of. You can hear the engine revving at 1:54 and the shot is fired at 1:55. Also at 1:55 you can see that the officer is grabbing Samuel's seatbelt, so that's one hand with the gun and one hand on the seatbelt, this hardly seems like he's being dragged.

 

[i.b.nora]

It seems odd to me that there would be three individual UC police that far from the campus, all in the same spot, all at the same time.

The Guardian has a a video that shows three camera views of the execution.

"synced-up video of body camera footage from three University of Cincinnati police officers – Ray Tensing, Phillip Kidd and David Lindenschimdt – reveals the dramatic aftermath of the police shooting of a 43-year-old unarmed black man.

It shows that both officers were behind Tensing at the time he shot DuBose, but both backed claims the officer had been 'dragged'. These claims were used to justify the shooting, but were later dismissed as false by the county prosecutor who charged Tensing with murder. Kidd and Lindenschimdt have also been placed on leave.”​

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...cameras-officers-samuel-dubose-shooting-video

 

[Jovi Girl]

Tensing shoots Dubois in the head , but we really see no initial regret . It's all " he dragged me , I was dragged, my hand is tingling . " He KILLED a man , even if he thought it was justified at the time one would think he would be upset .

 

[CoolJ]

It seems odd to me that there would be three individual UC police that far from the campus, all in the same spot, all at the same time.

The Guardian has a a video that shows three camera views of the execution.

"synced-up video of body camera footage from three University of Cincinnati police officers – Ray Tensing, Phillip Kidd and David Lindenschimdt – reveals the dramatic aftermath of the police shooting of a 43-year-old unarmed black man.

It shows that both officers were behind Tensing at the time he shot DuBose, but both backed claims the officer had been 'dragged'. These claims were used to justify the shooting, but were later dismissed as false by the county prosecutor who charged Tensing with murder. Kidd and Lindenschimdt have also been placed on leave.”​

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...cameras-officers-samuel-dubose-shooting-video

They were hunting him down. Look at some of the back alley type streets he was going down. That's not a cop on patrol (and it sure as heck ain't on a campus) that's a cop in pursuit. JMO

 

[KaaBoom]

I think you mean Officer Ray Tensing.

:doh: Yes, thank you.

 

[KaaBoom]

It seems odd to me that there would be three individual UC police that far from the campus, all in the same spot, all at the same time.

We all know that most cops are good, so it must just be a coincidence that the three bad apples were all in the same spot at the same time. All the other hundreds of cops are good cops, but just the three bad apples among them happened to be at the exact same spot, at the exact same time. Isn't it amazing how it always works out that way?

 

[cady]

WOW. I just realized that all 3 Univ. LE were prowling out of their usual territory....Did RT call them for back-up? Why? JMO