OH - Samuel Dubose, 43, killed by Cincinnati LE during traffic stop, 19 July 2015

[Montjoy]

That report gave me a headache. Too stupid to understand statistics. My takeaway, Tensing was racial profiling.

That's a good assumption. But he may just have been arresting black people because he liked to do it. Who knows?

 

[bluesneakers]

Maybe not a "big-time" dealer but driving around with $10,000 worth of pot in your car is a big deal most everywhere and it proves how ridiculous it was for the prosecutor (persecutor?) in this case to call this a "chicken crap stop". Thanks to this "chicken crap stop" the officer was able to uncover a driver with a suspended licence and a huge stash of pot along with $2,500 in cash.

He didn't uncover him so much as he murdered him.

JMO, although he was charged with murder.

 

[cady]

That's a good assumption. But he may just have been arresting black people because he liked to do it. Who knows?

YUP. And apparently a "numbers" competition "you can make a killing around here between 4 and 6...lots of violations". JMO

 

[Tssiemer]

That's a good assumption. But he may just have been arresting black people because he liked to do it. Who knows?

Can I just for a second? Ok. I'm not Tensing's side AT ALL. But there are predominately more black people in that area.


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[Zuri]

One of the other things that bothers me is why Tensing drew his gun. Was there a threat to Tensing? If he had not tried to get into the car, or grab the steering wheel or seatbelt, and just pursued DuBose in his vehicle, thing may have have turned out differently. Did they find a gun in DuBose's car?

 

[miimaa]

One of the other things that bothers me is why Tensing drew his gun. Was there a threat to Tensing? If he had not tried to get into the car, or grab the steering wheel or seatbelt, and just pursued DuBose in his vehicle, thing may have have turned out differently. Did they find a gun in DuBose's car?

dubose handed over a bottle of gin. To let him drive off would have been wrong.

 

[miimaa]

YUP. And apparently a "numbers" competition "you can make a killing around here between 4 and 6...lots of violations". JMO

Yup and it is just an unfortunate coincidence the driver had a suspended license, was drinking and had two pounds of weed. I am not saying he deserved to be shot, he didn't but he is the reason the situation escalated to the level it did. If you are busted then you are busted! Can't outrun it and if you try bad things happen.

 

[Tssiemer]

dubose handed over a bottle of gin. To let him drive off would have been wrong.

So execute him in the head???


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[i.b.nora]

Coroner releases Samuel DuBose’s preliminary autopsy report
Posted: Jul 31, 2015 10:48 AM PDT
Posted by FOX19 Digital Media Staff

CINCINNATI (FOX19) -
The Hamilton County Coroner has completed a preliminary autopsy for Samuel DuBose, ... .

The bullet fired by Ray Tensing entered DuBose’s left temple and exited the other side of his head, according to Dr. Lakshmi Sammarco’s report. ... .

The bullet was not recovered.

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“A toxicology report for DuBose, 43, is still pending. In body camera footage, the officer asks DuBose about a bottle he spotted on the floor of his vehicle and DuBose hands the bottle to him. Officials have not confirmed what was inside.”​

http://www.fox19.com/story/29681301/coroner-releases-samuel-duboses-preliminary-autopsy-report

 

[cady]

The bottle looked unopened to me. RT put the bottle on the top of the car which a few seconds later, started moving. The bottle probably flew off of the car, and likely broke, all over the street. I don't know if SD had been drinking, or not. I also don't know how anyone can draw that conclusion. I have not heard that anyone said they smelled alcohol or weed, for that matter. SD was stopped because he was not displaying a front license plate. Discoveries AFTER his death have nothing to do with the stop and the shooting. JMO

 

[nothingnew]

The bottle looked unopened to me. RT put the bottle on the top of the car which a few seconds later, started moving. The bottle probably flew off of the car, and likely broke, all over the street. I don't know if SD had been drinking, or not. I also don't know how anyone can draw that conclusion. I have not heard that anyone said they smelled alcohol or weed, for that matter. SD was stopped because he was not displaying a front license plate. Discoveries AFTER his death have nothing to do with the stop and the shooting. JMO

The bottle may have looked unopened but the liquid inside was the wrong color for Barton gin-should be clear fluid.
Some might find that a little suspect.

 

[cady]

I'm here in cincy and yes people put fragrances in old gin bottles. Why is this a point of debate? We can people shape it into trees, crowns and candles but nothing else? Pretty sure that's irrelevant to this murder. Another power trip gone wrong. All he had to let is let the man present his plate, sniff the bottle, run his name. But nope he had to be extra so he can figure it out in prison.

A possibility? JMO

 

[miimaa]

So execute him in the head???


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Is that what I posted? NO!!!! My response was to the post saying the officer should have let him just drive away.

 

[Tssiemer]

Is that what I posted? NO!!!! My response was to the post saying the officer should have let him just drive away.

Oh I'm sorry. I must have read it wrong. I apologize. I get excitable sometimes.


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[cady]

Yup and it is just an unfortunate coincidence the driver had a suspended license, was drinking and had two pounds of weed. I am not saying he deserved to be shot, he didn't but he is the reason the situation escalated to the level it did. If you are busted then you are busted! Can't outrun it and if you try bad things happen.

RT knew that the front plate was in the glovebox. He did NOT know whether or not SD was driving on a suspended license, because he did not run SD's name to find out. He did not know anything about a stash of weed. He did not seem concerned about the bottle or the substance in the bottle. His big issue was seeing a drivers license, which, SD admitted, was not on him and suggested that RT run his name. RT said something to the effect of "be straight with me, are you suspended" to which SD said NO.
Run his name, find out if he has a suspended license, and if not, issue a warning or ticket for the undisplayed plate, thankyouverymuch, and move on! Sheesh. JMO

 

[i.b.nora]

I wonder how often the campus police, or any police for that matter, run a plate, see that it is registered to a female but is being driven by a male thereby causing the officer to suspect that it might be a stolen vehicle, and stopping the driver because if it?

 

[bluesneakers]

RT knew that the front plate was in the glovebox. He did NOT know whether or not SD was driving on a suspended license, because he did not run SD's name to find out. He did not know anything about a stash of weed. He did not seem concerned about the bottle or the substance in the bottle. His big issue was seeing a drivers license, which, SD admitted, was not on him and suggested that RT run his name. RT said something to the effect of "be straight with me, are you suspended" to which SD said NO.
Run his name, find out if he has a suspended license, and if not, issue a warning or ticket for the undisplayed plate, thankyouverymuch, and move on! Sheesh. JMO

Why was it so important he get Samuel to admit his license was suspended? He told him he didn't have it on him and he told him to run his name. It would have been so simple to do that! Maybe he didn't like being told what to do, but I don't get the motivation for asking him so many times when he could have just checked. Isn't that why they have the ability to run someone's name? Even when you have your license and hand it over that's the first thing they do. But no, and imo RT wanted Samuel to admit his license was suspended. That makes no sense at all to me.

 

[bluesneakers]

I wonder how often the campus police, or any police for that matter, run a plate, see that it is registered to a female but is being driven by a male thereby causing the officer to suspect that it might be a stolen vehicle, and stopping the driver because if it?

I'm going to say "It depends."

 

[i.b.nora]

There is something about the way he repeats the same question over and over that just seems so off-putting to me. We saw it in the other video with Henley and Demetrius as well.

 

[BellaVita]

bluesneakers wrote:

Quote Originally Posted by i.b.nora View Post

Well while we await the Fox19 expose on the alleged pot stash, we have this to digest:

http://www.fox19.com/story/29685336/...-practices-at-

Its very interesting, especially the info specific to Tensing.

FOX19 NOW EXCLUSIVE: New numbers reveal policing practices at UC
Posted: Jul 31, 2015 8:54 PM PDT
Updated: Jul 31, 2015 9:10 PM PDT
By Ben Katko


“CINCINNATI, OH (FOX19) -
New documents released exclusively to FOX19 NOW on Friday reveal the numbers and nature of certain categories of police work for the University of Cincinnati Police Department.

Also contained in the documents are numbers pertaining to ex-officer Ray Tensing’s time with the department.

The report breaks down numbers from the first day of 2012, through July 27, 2015. The numbers are broken down year by year and by race.

There are five categories measured:

Number of Traffic Stops
Number of Stops with Citations
Number of Stops with Arrests
Number of Citations Issued
Number of Arrest Charges”

Much, much more ...

bluesneakers wrote:

From the link...

In 2014, his numbers of stops with citations, stops with arrests, citations issued and arrests totaled 273. In the same categories in 2015, his numbers totaled 360. In each of those years, Tensing’s total numbers are more than 10% of the entire department’s documented numbers in this report. Again, there were 2,510 incidents measured in 2014, and 3,553 incidents measured so far in 2015.

In Tensing’s numbers, there is a noticeable spike in citations issued to blacks from 119 in all of 2014, to 189 through this point of 2015. He also goes from zero to 9 citations in the “other” category in the same time frame. The other categories remain fairly steady with little change from year to year.

"The racial differential and flip, if you will, of the numbers is shocking. I can't explain it. I don't know why,” Flynn told FOX19 NOW.

BBM: Maybe there is more crime/disregard for the law this year. Violent crimes are spiking for sure. It only follows that other crimes would spike too. Or maybe Tensing was just being more productive in carrying out his duties. Maybe it is a combination of the two.

ETA: If anybody deserved a citation/charges SD was certainly eligible for that.