OH - Spencer and Monique Tepe found shot to death at home 2 children unharmed, Columbus, 30 December 2025

[stmichael]

Thank you for the info.

Since the killer was on foot or in a vehicle parked on the street or ally, he would have chosen a gun he could conceal under his coat.
A long gun doesn't make sense.

Unless he thought he could quickly exit in a vehicle with no one seeing him. Or perhaps he hid the gun or disposed of it soon after the murder.

Handguns make up the majority of crime, especially in cities. A 9mm handgun is like a honda civic in terms of commonality,
Any burglar, gangbanger or druggie in Columbus would likely have a 9mm (good chance it's a Glock or some cheapo clone). It's practically a meme.

 

[arielilane]

Apparently, ST was found in his bed surrounded in blood.
That is where his body was seen as pointed out by a witness.

I am really curious about the outcome of this case.

Appears to be a personal attack against ST. Was someone angry at ST?

Was it initially supposed to be a burglary attempt?

It does appear the killer had to leave quickly.

Just not enough info about the couple at this time.

Just an opinion

 

[Cassie P]

THE KILLER LEFT THE CASINGS


In addition to the write up I wrote just upstream about 9mm handguns, long guns and pistol caliber carbines.


The spent casings left at scene would indicate someone who's not a pro. A professional or calm intelligent killer with a suppressor (which I still maintain is more far fetched) would have picked up 3 spent casings. This is crucial. They are the only ballistic link to the murder weapon and a big deal. Some hitmen prefer shotguns for this very reason (smooth bore no matching rifling for ballistic match). Casings can also have fingerprints on them though these are easier to get off longer rifle rounds with more circumference (though a pro wouldn't leave prints on rounds).

The three spent common 9mm rounds found on the scene along with 2 shots to the husband and one to the wife leads me towards a sudden shooting and hasty, sloppy retreat.

In fact many of us who reload our own ammunition, when we go to the range pick up our own brass casings. When I shoot outdoors I often do this out of habit. No pro with the proficiency to make a suppressor would leave 3 shiny casings that link him definitively to the murder weapon.

It could be an amateur, this was his first murder. Or he is young.

He was in a hurry so he didn't grab all the incriminating information from the crime scene. Or he didn't plan for the fact it would be dark and he couldn't turn on a light or use his phone for a flashlight to pick up the casings.

Amateurs are not prepared for all the details. They make mistakes.

I think this crime scene is a mixture of good planning and some sloppiness. So someone who is intelligent but didn't think of everything because it is his first murder.

He was able to plan the murder. Get into the house without breaking in. Killed two adults with three shots. Escaped from the crime scene without detection. And is still at large a week later.

 

[MassGuy]

Sure, I edited to include fingerprints. But again, a pro would not load a firearm with his fingers touching the brass.

And we've even seen messages scribble/etched on spent casings in recent school shooters and the Charlie Kirk assassination.

A pro wouldn’t leave shell casings behind in the first place.

 

[stmichael]

It could be an amateur, this was his first murder. Or he is young.

He was in a hurry so he didn't grab all the incriminating information from the crime scene. Or he didn't plan for the fact it would be dark and he couldn't turn on a light or use his phone for a flashlight to pick up the casings.

Amateurs are not prepared for all the details. They make mistakes.

I think this crime scene is a mixture of good planning and some sloppiness. So someone who is intelligent but didn't think of everything because it is his first murder.

He was able to plan the murder. Get into the house without breaking in. Killed two adults with three shots. Escaped from the crime scene without detection. And is still at large a week later.

Killing two adults with three shots really doesn't indicate anything. A panicked 17 year old gangbanger has done the same in botched robberies, and I've seen cases of tweakers freak out and shoot their victims in a similar manner. If there was disproportionate force, say for instance they mag dumped the husband and the shot the wife once, that would be telling of some directed rage.

Every gangbanger, small , druggie in any big city carry a "nine". It's the most common handgun. It's almost a meme and having a "nine" or "nina" has be quoted in gangsta rap for decades.

I don't make much of the "unforced entry'. That can be explained with more detail and we've seen many cases of random victims just strolling into homes with poor security or open doors (like the 2006 Richmond Spree Murders).

 

[stmichael]

A pro wouldn’t leave shell casings behind in the first place.

Which is exactly what I said and was the whole point of that post titled "HE LEFT THE SPENT CASINGS" It was a response to the "suppressor" "assassin" conjecture.


here is paragraph #2:

The spent casings left at scene would indicate someone who's not a pro. A professional or calm intelligent killer with a suppressor (which I still maintain is more far fetched) would have picked up 3 spent casings. This is crucial. They are the only ballistic link to the murder weapon and a big deal. Some hitmen prefer shotguns for this very reason (smooth bore no matching rifling for ballistic match). Casings can also have fingerprints on them though these are easier to get off longer rifle rounds with more circumference (though a pro wouldn't leave prints on rounds).

 

[Charlot123]

Your opine is incorrect. Facts matter. From the text that you quoted:

Peak ankle plantarflexion angle (regular: p = 0.012, ƞp2 = 0.071, fast: p < 0.001, ƞp2 = 0.137) and peak hip extension angle during fast walking (p = 0.007, ƞp2 = 0.083) were smaller in AA. Equivalency in gait measures between racial groups should not be assumed.

Further:

"In many cases, statistically significant racial differences were associated with effect sizes with medium and large strength showing that these differences hold both statistical and clinical significance...

The continued assumption that racial differences in gait mechanics do not exist causes important distinctions between patients of different racial groups to be overlooked and, as a result, limits the efficacy of the care delivered to patients belonging to racial minorities. The observation of racial differences in the current study reinforces the importance of including diverse and representative sample populations in studies to ensure that results are broadly representative and equitably beneficial across racial groups. Not only are more diverse samples necessary, but clinical consideration of a patient’s racial identity when interpreting and applying biomechanical findings may be important....

5. Conclusions Racial differences were observed in self-selected walking speed and in gait mechanics. The assumption that gait mechanics are the same between racial groups is not valid. Gait mechanics outcomes can be useful for the development of effective medical interventions, optimizing rehabilitation, and determining effective and necessary preventative care. By intentionally studying diverse participants and tracking differences between groups, we can benchmark these differences and use them in the development of future research and individualized treatment protocols."

This study is not proof that you can determine race by gait. That's not what they're testing and they have no position on that. The scientists involved in this study are not racist. They are attempting to make future biomechanical studies equitable with potential implications for therapies. They are well aware of race as a social construct, are aware of confounds, and limitations of their approach. I think they're smart, well intentioned, and I admire them.

THM: Science of racial differences is not necessarily bad, shouldn't be assumed as quickly as a knee-jerk reflex, and also shouldn't be misintepreted.

I would like to see where the researchers "sampled" their races.

Perhaps that if they took a Zauli dancer from Ivory Coast and compared him with a Dane, there will be a difference. "People live for centuries in a certain climate and terrain and adjust to it".

But if they allowed people of the US, a melting pot, to enter B or C in the computer and then compared their gait mechanics, the study may be flawed.

 

[armchairagatha]

Killing two adults with three shots really doesn't indicate anything. A panicked 17 year old gangbanger has done the same in botched robberies, and I've seen cases of tweakers freak out and shoot their victims in a similar manner. If there was disproportionate force, say for instance they mag dumped the husband and the shot the wife once, that would be telling of some directed rage.

Every gangbanger, small , druggie in any big city carry a "nine". It's the most common handgun. It's almost a meme and having a "nine" or "nina" has be quoted in gangsta rap for decades.

I don't make much of the "unforced entry'. That can be explained with more detail and we've seen many cases of random victims just strolling into homes with poor security or open doors (like the 2006 Richmond Spree Murders).

I don't think a random burglar would tiptoe up the stairs straight to their bedroom and shoot them dead (without awakening the kids and dog) and then leave without taking anything of value. And leave the casings behind. It just doesn't fit. MOO.

 

[Cassie P]

Killing two adults with three shots really doesn't indicate anything. A panicked 17 year old gangbanger has done the same in botched robberies, and I've seen cases of tweakers freak out and shoot their victims in a similar manner. If there was disproportionate force, say for instance they mag dumped the husband and the shot the wife once, that would be telling of some directed rage.

Every gangbanger, small , druggie in any big city carry a "nine". It's the most common handgun. It's almost a meme and having a "nine" or "nina" has be quoted in gangsta rap for decades.

I don't make much of the "unforced entry'. That can be explained with more detail and we've seen many cases of random victims just strolling into homes with poor security or open doors (like the 2006 Richmond Spree Murders).

Three shots and two murders tells us something for sure.

This is unlikely to be someone who is acutely psychotic or in the midst of an acute impaired drug frenzy. Someone who has used a gun before. Someone cool under pressure.

 

[Charlot123]

It's interesting that the news media is starting to put him in all of the headlines...

OK it is predictable. Not much is known about the family so obviously, the media and the public are discussing the people they know about: the ex, the person who called 911, and now, Misleh. "Disgruntled patients" are imaginary figures; people tend to suspect someone concrete. I think Misleh was everywhere and slightly over the place because of a curious combination of loneliness, anxiety and "the new role" (compare it to "the new elder of the tribe"). Obviously the public and the media started projecting a lot on him.

The moment the community gets another new name, the focus of attention will shift.

(The poor dude Misleh should probably start seeing a therapist himself because his new role, "the elder", is going to be morally hard, draining and long-lasting, and he may not yet be fully aware of it. I am talking about the children.)

 

[ttjo]

I don't make much of the "unforced entry'. That can be explained with more detail and we've seen many cases of random victims just strolling into homes with poor security or open doors (like the 2006 Richmond Spree Murders).

Just gets confusing between the no signs of forced entry and the 3 males inside.? If they got in, how? And then the 911 dispatch that said door open, There is just not enough confirmed info to know anything for sure. Well, the police know, but we don’t.

 

[sunflowermomma]

Just gets confusing between the no signs of forced entry and the 3 males inside.? If they got in, how? And then the 911 dispatch that said door open, There is just not enough confirmed info to know anything for sure. Well, the police know, but we don’t.

Two of my friends have keys to my house to check on things when I'm out of town - could have just had a spare key but wanted police to show up first, then got antsy and went in on their own?

 

[stmichael]

I don't think a random burglar would tiptoe up the stairs straight to their bedroom and shoot them dead (without awakening the kids and dog) and then leave without taking anything of value. And leave the casings behind. It just doesn't fit. MOO.

That's exact;ly what I would expect from my experience in a robbery gone wrong with some tweaker not thinking straight. Got in easy due to opportunity (poor security IMO major walking traffic in front of house, prob notice it a lot). Walked up quietly like a robber would in the middle of the nigh and panicked when confronted and shot quickly and ran. Only 3 shots (2 to male, 1 to female) consistent with reactionary shooting, cases left hastily behind, Fits with a lot of botched robbery cases I've seen over the years with some Skell or young gangbanger doing incredibly stupid things with no value for life.

We don't know if they awakened the kids, how quickly it went down, or if the goldendoodle was locked up in another room. Could have woke the kids and the dog was barking and they ran. Very possible the police have interviews suggesting this that they did not leak. Anything we do know doesn't contradict this plausible outcome, but of course there is so little to go on it could be a million things still.

 

[ttjo]

(The poor dude Misleh should probably start seeing a therapist himself because his new role, "the elder", is going to be morally hard, draining and long-lasting, and he may not yet be fully aware of it. I am talking about the children.)

So true, hard enough to become an instant parent, even harder when the kids are aware of what happened. Either way the little girl surely will know her parents are not there anymore. ( so will the baby but she is older) Awwwww so sad.

 

[armchairagatha]

That's exact;ly what I would expect from my experience in a robbery gone wrong with some tweaker not thinking straight. Got in easy due to opportunity (poor security IMO major walking traffic in front of house, prob notice it a lot). Walked up quietly like a robber would in the middle of the nigh and panicked when confronted and shot quickly and ran. Only 3 shots (2 to male, 1 to female) consistent with reactionary shooting, cases left hastily behind, Fits with a lot of botched robbery cases I've seen over the years with some Skell or young gangbanger doing incredibly stupid things with no value for life.

We don't know if they awakened the kids, how quickly it went down, or if the goldendoodle was locked up in another room. Could have woke the kids and the dog was barking and they ran. Very possible the police have interviews suggesting this that they did not leak. Anything we do know doesn't contradict this plausible outcome, but of course there is so little to go on it could be a million things still.

Is your experience in LE (you sound experienced)? I was just looking at how I would do it if I was in a robber's shoes. If I got in through pure luck (door was unlocked) and the house was completely dark and everyone was upstairs sleeping, I would probably grab what I could from downstairs (assuming there were things of value) and then leave instead of going to the master bedroom where people are sleeping. Why push my luck? Of course, a young gangbanger might think differently.
I am a dog owner though - and my dog would bark her head off if she sensed a stranger in the house (especially once they came upstairs). That would awaken pretty much everyone else in the house.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[stmichael]

Is your experience in LE (you sound experienced)? I was just looking at how I would do it if I was in a robber's shoes. If I got in through pure luck (door was unlocked) and the house was completely dark and everyone was upstairs sleeping, I would probably grab what I could from downstairs (assuming there were things of value) and then leave instead of going to the master bedroom where people are sleeping. Why push my luck? Of course, a young gangbanger might think differently.
I am a dog owner though - and my dog would bark her head off if she sensed a stranger in the house (especially once they came upstairs). That would awaken pretty much everyone else in the house.

You have to look at precedent. There are many incredibly sad random cases of stupid young criminals with no value for life reacting this way. This doesn't need to be anything more exotic. With all the information present in this case I see it as a very possible scenario. The way the police are proceeding leads me to think this is what it was (more of a random or quasi random interaction), especially with the location and history of the area.

Of course, we have very little to go by. I originally was leaning to a scorned ex/someone having an affair (when the preliminary info was saying the husband was shot disproportionately and the wife once. Then it turned out a standard double tap and single tap that any surprised strung-out burglar might react to). It can still be that but I don;t have the crime scene configuration, the personal interviews (that would paint a picture of a red flag or nothing there), the surveillance footage. etc.

There are still many plausible scenarios. Even far-fetched scenarios are plausible because they happen. Maybe this is that rare case, but it's also likely this is what I listed above.

 

[Sadi]

That's exact;ly what I would expect from my experience in a robbery gone wrong with some tweaker not thinking straight. Got in easy due to opportunity (poor security IMO major walking traffic in front of house, prob notice it a lot). Walked up quietly like a robber would in the middle of the nigh and panicked when confronted and shot quickly and ran. Only 3 shots (2 to male, 1 to female) consistent with reactionary shooting, cases left hastily behind, Fits with a lot of botched robbery cases I've seen over the years with some Skell or young gangbanger doing incredibly stupid things with no value for life.

We don't know if they awakened the kids, how quickly it went down, or if the goldendoodle was locked up in another room. Could have woke the kids and the dog was barking and they ran. Very possible the police have interviews suggesting this that they did not leak. Anything we do know doesn't contradict this plausible outcome, but of course there is so little to go on it could be a million things still.

The dog not knowing someone would likely bark or growl. But maybe not, some dogs would wag their tails, especially if they’re a friendly breed, I think this breed is, but moo.

 

[sunflowermomma]

Has there been any local news outlets speaking with the neighbors? I wonder if this could be related to a neighborhood dispute. A neighbor would know their routine and possibly how to get in and out without being detected. JMO

 

[stmichael]

The dog not knowing someone would likely bark or growl. But maybe not, some dogs would wag their tails, especially if they’re a friendly breed, I think this breed is, but moo.

Sure, but we don't know that it did. It could have been barking all night, the kids were supposedly yelling. Not that the neighbors would notice. It's possible they didn't know about the golden doodle and kids and then they started making noise after the gunshots and that caused the killer to instantly run.
Certain breeds are horrible. Never get a husky as a guard dog. They don't bark and will actually cuddle up to a burglar.