GUILTY OH - Steubenville Rape Case, 11 Aug 2012 #1

[believe09]

BBM

He's setting himself up for a Streisand effect.

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Only you or Nova would come up with this!!! Thank you.

 

[time]

BBM

He's setting himself up for a Streisand effect.

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I didn't know this effect had a name! :seeya:

Agree with everyone that the Sheriff is being his own worst enemy .... the battle is not with or about anonymous, geesh. Get back to what should be the focus ... uhmmm, except unless you are trying to divert attention, right? Or use something to stand on your high horse (which is really a straw man).

 

[AbbeyR]

Someone asked if I felt the investigation had been fair to this point. Thinking about all of the sex crime cases I've followed in depth here at websleuths & otherwise: a victim with no memory, no DNA, I think the rape kit was inconclusive or negative, some uncooperative witnesses, eight days to arrest two suspects seems pretty legit. Two witnesses offered deals for testimony, and the one, as yet, unnamed person charged with unlawful images. And they have two to six years to bring further charges. As to whether the DA recused herself in a timely manner, IDK. She did it a few days after the boys were charged. There is a lot of serious crime in Steubenville, had she been busy on other cases or whatever to get the full rundown on the situation? Just a thought.

BBM

It seems a little abstract to evaluate whether this investigation was fair by comparing it against a timeline of sex crime cases in general when we could just look at whether laws and protocols were followed in this actual case.

About the DA:

When were the deals arranged with the witnesses who received immunity?

Who was responsible for arranging the terms of those deals?

What was Hanlin's role in the case before she recused herself?

 

[Lois Lane]

Steubenville is in real danger of becoming a national byword for stonewalling, the abuse of privilege and popularity, and the irreparable harm that can be inflicted by gossip.

How is that no one, no one, intervened to stop it?

We hear of such happenings in India, Sudan or Serbia, and we shake our heads at the savagery. Yet in the small-town America that is Steubenville, the notion that a sexual assault is seen as a parlor game to some, that young women are little more than prey, has seeped to the surface like river sludge.

This so-called modern world of ours isn’t nearly as civilized, enlightened or erudite as we pretend. Around the world, rape and other forms of violence against women are regularly employed as weapons of war, power, repression and terror.

In this particular case, the lack of transparency and inability of authorities to combat rumors with coherence have allowed people to create their own narrative in Steubenville. And an already struggling community is suffering even more because of it.

http://www.cantonrep.com/news/x1922388595/Charita-Goshay-Case-puts-Steubenville-in-harsh-spotlight

 

[Foxfire]

http://www.cantonrep.com/news/x1922388595/Charita-Goshay-Case-puts-Steubenville-in-harsh-spotlight

I am having difficulty with the link, Lois Lane, but agree with the snippets in your comment..

'Guess, there must be darkness present for the light of transparency to shine through'...


"Why, that it is important for the citizens to be informed of how cases and investigations are handled; "Public Safety for our Families"...

'We could use a strong accountability system not dependent on appeals, but rather oversight. The public/citizens have a right to know exactly how decisions are made and cases are handled.

It does not have to be in the midst of the case but certainly afterward there should be transparency. If there isn’t, how can we address issues of corruption, incompetence, and error?

We need to know in order to fix problems and hold people accountable for what is supposed to be work done on behalf of the citizens. Somehow “the interest of the state” seems to preclude the citizenry which is odd considering the state IS the citizenry, well, at least in a democratic republic with a constitution'..
Transparency Quote: 'Criminal Profiler Pat Brown'

 

[LisaB]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...ed-not-questioned-as-witness-lawyer-says?lite

Teen in crude video about alleged Ohio rape not involved, not questioned as witness, lawyer says..

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Jefferson County Sheriff Fred Abdalla has confirmed that the video was shot at a different location from where the incidents occurred, and McNamara said the young man didn't know the alleged victim. Because he wasn't present and was acting on second- or third-hand information, the young man isn't involved in the investigation and hasn't been called as a witness, McNamara said.

Abdalla his office had been flooded with calls from county residents who said they felt threatened after the hackers posted their threat to reveal more personal information about others it alleged were involved. He said he knew who was behind the threat and that he would be dealt with.
"Say what you want to say about me. Do character assassinations like you do and you're going to continue to do," he said. "But when you start doing a hatchet job on innocent children, putting their names out on the computers and the Internet, on Facebook, I'm coming after you. Simple as that."

(Attorney Dennis) McNamara said (M)N wasn't at the house where the alleged rape took place, nor did he witness anything himself: The details he recounted "came from the reports of a couple of other young people that had been present or had seen these things, or at least claimed to."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/07/justice/ohio-steubenville-alleged-rape-case/index.html

I'm not going to call either MNs attorney OR Sheriff Abdala a liar, so I am guessing that it's just "coincidence" that the room in which MNs "rant" was recorded and the room in which the photo of the boys (one of whom has been positively identified as being one of the defendants; by his own attorney) carrying the girl by her hands and feet have a VERY similar shade of green paint. I mean, since MN was never in the "rape house" and the video was recorded elsewhere, that is.

 

[Steely Dan]

I am having difficulty with the link, Lois Lane, but agree with the snippets in your comment..

'Guess, there must be darkness present for the light of transparency to shine through'...


"Why, that it is important for the citizens to be informed of how cases and investigations are handled; "Public Safety for our Families"...

'We could use a strong accountability system not dependent on appeals, but rather oversight. The public/citizens have a right to know exactly how decisions are made and cases are handled.

It does not have to be in the midst of the case but certainly afterward there should be transparency. If there isn’t, how can we address issues of corruption, incompetence, and error?

We need to know in order to fix problems and hold people accountable for what is supposed to be work done on behalf of the citizens. Somehow “the interest of the state” seems to preclude the citizenry which is odd considering the state IS the citizenry, well, at least in a democratic republic with a constitution'..
Transparency Quote: 'Criminal Profiler Pat Brown'

I'm having problems with the link too.

 

[Steely Dan]

I am having difficulty with the link, Lois Lane, but agree with the snippets in your comment..

'Guess, there must be darkness present for the light of transparency to shine through'...


"Why, that it is important for the citizens to be informed of how cases and investigations are handled; "Public Safety for our Families"...

'We could use a strong accountability system not dependent on appeals, but rather oversight. The public/citizens have a right to know exactly how decisions are made and cases are handled.

It does not have to be in the midst of the case but certainly afterward there should be transparency. If there isn’t, how can we address issues of corruption, incompetence, and error?

We need to know in order to fix problems and hold people accountable for what is supposed to be work done on behalf of the citizens. Somehow “the interest of the state” seems to preclude the citizenry which is odd considering the state IS the citizenry, well, at least in a democratic republic with a constitution'..
Transparency Quote: 'Criminal Profiler Pat Brown'

I found the link on Google and it's not working either. Maybe someone doesn't want it read?

 

[Foxfire]

http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-rape-case-evidence-social-media-creates-world-020011724.html

'Yep, this was posted less than 3 hours ago & I'm getting the technical difficulties excuse on the video'..

VIDEO- We're sorry...
We are experiencing technical difficulties. Please try again after a few minutes.

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Ohio rape case: Evidence on social media creates new world for justice system

Investigators in the Ohio rape case confiscated electronic devices from those involved. Evidence from social media allows jurors to rely more on common sense and less on expert testimony.

In the Ohio case, no physical evidence of the alleged rape exists, which means the looming court battle, scheduled for Feb. 13, will focus strictly on the interpretation of the media evidence.

The dynamic is creating a “whole new world” in the criminal justice system, says Lisa Smith, an attorney who specializes in domestic violence cases and who teaches law at Brooklyn Law School. Unlike traditional cases involving DNA, or other science-based evidence, where one side might rely on the testimony of a medical professional to guide the jury through their interpretation of a certain theory, cases involving text messages, mobile videos, and Facebook and Twitter postings as evidence hang on the direct values and behaviors of the jurors themselves.

“The average juror has no way to know which cardiologist is telling the truth,” she says. “But when it comes to Facebook and photos and text messages, they are going to use their own common sense and make judgments based on their own personal experience.”

By Mark Guarino | Christian Science Monitor – 2 hrs 45 mins ago

 

[Foxfire]

I found the link on Google and it's not working either. Maybe someone doesn't want it read?

'Seems they(censors) are disabling links as quick as they are being posted'..

"Silence is the predators most Lethal Weapon"...

 

[Steely Dan]

'Seems they(censors) are disabling links as quick as they are being posted'..

"Silence is the predators most Lethal Weapon"...

This works now. http://www.cantonrep.com/news/x1922388595/Charita-Goshay-Case-puts-Steubenville-in-harsh-spotlight

 

[Foxfire]

This works now. http://www.cantonrep.com/news/x1922388595/Charita-Goshay-Case-puts-Steubenville-in-harsh-spotlight

But there is no video, Steely Dan.. The video may be overloaded, I guess...

 

[i.b.nora]

The video is there. Its a report from KGO TV San Francisco. It is not earth shattering.

 

[Foxfire]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/08/judge-steubenville-teen-rape-case/1818987/

Cincinnati-area judge presiding over Ohio rape case

Jefferson County, Ohio, judge and prosecutor stepped down from controversial rape case in Steubenville, Ohio.

The case may be moved from Steubenville -- with Cincinnati as one of many possible sites -- because witnesses are worried about their safety and reputations.

Attorneys for the two charged teens suggested Tuesday that the Feb. 13 trial may have to be moved. It possibly could be moved to southwest Ohio because Lipps lives there. With a population of about 18,000, Steubenville is more than 250 miles and four hours east of Cincinnati, located almost equidistant between Pittsburgh and Wheeling, W. Va.

The Ohio Supreme Court doesn't keep statistics on change of venues, a spokesman said Tuesday. State law offers little guidance on where or how far a criminal trial can be moved.

Lipps retired in 2010 after 12 years as a Hamilton County Juvenile Court judge and 25 more in that court as an administrator and magistrate. After his retirement, Lipps was named a visiting judge by the Ohio Supreme Court, allowing him to be appointed in any Ohio county. His strong background in juvenile court made him a good candidate to preside over the case. The teens are charged as juveniles.
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RE: After his retirement, Lipps was named a visiting judge by the Ohio Supreme Court..

"From my experience, when Judges are brought in, this is analogous to bringing in a fox to guard the hen house".. Imo, they are simply double dipping members of the Good Ole Boy/Girl Network/Fraternity...

It is a catch 22, in that if the Judge leans too far for the defense, or the prosecution, they run the risk of being black listed for future job$. Their allegiance is to the jurisdiction that requests them and signs their paychecks. imo...

"Imo, this case should be tried impartially in a Federal Court"...
"This innocent rape victim should receive Justice"! "Imo, she will not receive a fair trial by Ohio Justice Officials"...

Example:
http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_documents/courthouse_shooting.pdf

RE: Change of Venues:

Change of venues are seldom granted. It is futile to change a venue in high profile cases such as the Steubenville, Ohio Rape case due to national msm/internet/social media/transparency.

Whether you reside in Ohio, CA, or north GA, folks are informed of high profile cases. Geography is not relevant in the communication era. A well informed jury pool is not a reason for granting a change of venue.

 

[i.b.nora]

They don't have jury trials for juvenile cases, do they? And, I doubt that the public would be allowed to attend, would they?

 

[Foxfire]

They don't have jury trials for juvenile cases, do they? And, I doubt that the public would be allowed to attend, would they?

and the defendants criminal records are sealed in many cases...

"Do the math"...

http://www.opd.ohio.gov/Juvenile/JV_Sealing.htm

Sealing and Expunging Juvenile Court Records
ORC §2151.35.5-2151.35.8

How to Seal and Expunge Juvenile
Records in Ohio Counties

Changes to the sealing law are effective September 28, 2012 as part of SB 337 reforms.

What is Sealing and Expunging?

Sealing: The juvenile file is removed from the court’s main section of records and placed in a separate location that is only accessible by the juvenile court
Expunging: The juvenile file is destroyed or deleted, and is permanently gone from the court’s records

 

[Yoda]

Vacation for accused. :thud:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...allowed-Californian-holiday-house-arrest.html

 

[Betty P]

Vacation for accused. :thud:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...allowed-Californian-holiday-house-arrest.html

That's just wrong. Maybe they should start to consider this man as a flight risk. Seems his family has the means to help him disappear if they're so inclined.

 

[Foxfire]

Vacation for accused. :thud:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...allowed-Californian-holiday-house-arrest.html

"Damn, just damn"...just when ya think it couldn't get any worse...




EXCLUSIVE: Suspect in shocking Ohio rape case allowed to go on Californian vacation while under 'house arrest'
By LAURA COLLINS IN STEUBENVILLE, OHIO

PUBLISHED: 18:51 EST, 9 January 2013 | UPDATED: 19:16 EST, 9 January 2013

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One of the accused in the Ohio rape case that has outraged America enjoyed a six day vacation in California and watch a football game while supposedly under house arrest, it emerged today.

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[Lois Lane]

They don't have jury trials for juvenile cases, do they? And, I doubt that the public would be allowed to attend, would they?

No jury trial in Ohio Juvenile Court unless the person charged is determined eligible for a "Serious Youth Offender" sentence.

I haven't seen anything about this matter regarding either of the two charged.

Here are some links that cover Serious Youth Offender under Ohio law:

https://www.ohiobar.org/ForPublic/Resources/LawYouCanUse/Pages/LawYouCanUse-404.aspx

http://www.ohiolegalservices.org/public/legal_terms_dictionary/serious-youthful-offender-syo

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2152.13

http://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/LegalResources/Rules/juvenile/JuvenileProcedure.pdf

From the Juvenile Procedure document, there is this regarding public access to hearings:

(1) Public access to hearings. In serious youthful offender proceedings, hearings shall be open to the public. In all other proceedings, the court may exclude the general public from any hearing, but may not exclude either of the following:

(a) persons with a direct interest in the case;
(b) persons who demonstrate, at a hearing, a countervailing right to be present.

http://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/LegalResources/Rules/juvenile/JuvenileProcedure.pdf