GUILTY OH - Steubenville Rape Case, 11 Aug 2012 #1

[Foxfire]

I just feel that there is a need to absolve the victim of any wrongdoing whatsoever, when common sense says she was just drinking along with the rest of them. To keep repeating the drugged theory, when there is no evidence to support it, is a waste of time, IMO. Trying to make more boys guilty of a crime they didn't do is not fighting for the victim. If the boys had access to roofies, why didn't MR pick a girl for himself? The party in the video looked like a far cry from Project X, why didn't all those boys have comatose girls of their own to use as toys? I thought the transcripts would have opened some people's eyes that they have been mightily misled by the narrative that's been put out, but I guess not. It may interest you to know the "busted b-tches & internet stalkers" blogger has removed all backlinks to Locallinks because she no longer trusts the information. An Anon issued a letter of apology to Steubenville residents yesterday for the innocent people who've been dox'ed & says he's moving on to other op projects. Most of them are just disappearing as suddenly as they came. Link to "innocent people dox'd: que sera, sera" letter<script src="http://pastebin.com/embed_js.php?i=DQ1rAH27"></script>

Where is the evidence THESE boys called themselves 'The Rape Crew'? The real Big Red Rape Crew graduated '10, '09, '08. The nickname had nothing to do with assaulting women. More of a "we are totally going to rape those Tigers." It's a somewhat common phrase among the younger crowd.

hollyjokers, evidence can be overlooked, dismissed, or omitted. It is common practice by the good ole boy/girl justus system network to redact/cleanse/edit court transcripts, fmi.. 'Videos are forever'...

 

[Steely Dan]

hollyjokers, evidence can be overlooked, dismissed, or omitted. It is common practice by the good ole boy/girl justus system network to redact/cleanse/edit court transcripts, fmi.. 'Videos are forever'...

LinTX just covered this with her link above that says investigators are pretty sure she was drugged.

 

[hollyjokers]

There is a tweet from MR saying he's going to get into trouble for doing a friend a favor. (Not exactly worded that way)

The tweet was from TM, I believe, and there's no context to make a judgment. The tweet was time-stamped before victim's parents had gone to police. Just like another boy tweeted he seriously $hit on (female) last night, paraphrasing & that got added to narrative that victim was "likely" defecated on. "Never seen anything so sloppy" tweeted before a sexual assault had even occurred. "No sympathy for " is dated May 12th.

 

[hollyjokers]

The "goldmine" video where the star who knows such"detailed, first-hand knowledge" is neither charged nor being compelled to testify for the state. Go figure.

 

[Steely Dan]

These all come from this site; http://leestranahan.com/category/steubenville/page/3/ Only snippets are provided by the site.

This is from AC's tesimony.

When the party ended at about 12:15, Jane Doed needed help walking but according the testimony — testimony elicited by the prosecution, it should be pointed out — Jane Doe voluntarily left with suspects and in fact had an argument with her girlfriends about leaving with them. This is MC.

What does denied mean in that sentence? :waitasec:

Did they interview the girlfriends or are they just taking MC's word?

 

[Steely Dan]

The "goldmine" video where the star who knows such"detailed, first-hand knowledge" is neither charged nor being compelled to testify for the state. Go figure.

Exactly! That's one of the huge reasons people think this is being glossed over. Do you think he should at least be interviewed?

 

[hollyjokers]

He was interviewed by the detective on August 17th. His phone was confiscated on August 16th. These facts are both mentioned in the transcripts. He was not a witness to a sexual assault.

 

[Steely Dan]

Continuing on with MC;

2) Drive from MB's to JH's

Five minute drive. Accuser was awake. Nothing eventful.

3) The Second “Party “at JH's House

Not much of a party at this point in the evening. They accuser, suspects and MC were only there about twenty minutes. Alleged victim is awake.

Roofies; http://chemistry.about.com/od/drugs/a/rohypnolfacts.htm

...What Are the Effects of Rohypnol Use?
The effects of Rohypnol use may be felt within 15 to 20 minutes of administration and may last for over 12 hours. Symptoms associated with use of Rohypnol include drowsiness, lowered blood pressure, muscle relaxation, headache, visual disturbances, dizziness, slurred speech, poor reaction time, confusion, memory impairment, upset stomach, retention of urine, tremors, and nightmares. One side effect associated with Rohypnol use is retroactive amnesia, where the person who took the drug can't remember events that occurred while under the influence of the drug. Although Rohypnol is a depressant, it may produce excitability, talkativeness, or aggressive behavior. Overdose of Rohypnol produces sedation, impaired speech and balance, respiratory depression, and potentially coma or death....

She was at JH's and not drinking according to MC and then all of a sudden she needs to throw up? :waitasec:

The group left this party because they were told to leave by Jake Howarth’s mother.

 

[Steely Dan]

He was interviewed by the detective on August 17th. His phone was confiscated on August 16th. These facts are both mentioned in the transcripts. He was not a witness to a sexual assault.

Are you talking about MCN? If so did you watch the video?

 

[Steely Dan]

Now we go to some of AC's testimony;

Who's Ma'am?

A perfect description of the photo.

AC says he doesn’t know what they were yelling.

On the walk to the car, Jane Doe is awake and says she needs to throw up. You’ll note this witness – MC – saw the suspects helping Jane Doe.

 

[hollyjokers]

Yes, I've seen the video, was horrified like everyone else. The detective testified they watched it over & over again, pulling out the dialogue, and MCN's phone was among the first confiscated, before he appeared before them on August 17th.

 

[hollyjokers]

Ma'am is Special Prosecutor Marianne Hammetter.

 

[Steely Dan]

Continuing with MC;

4) Car ride from Howarth house to Cole house

This is where the first alleged assault happen. NSFW testimony from

Well according to MC's testimony TM was committing an act of rape on the car ride over.

 

[Steely Dan]

Yes, I've seen the video, was horrified like everyone else. The detective testified they watched it over & over again, pulling out the dialogue, and MCN's phone was among the first confiscated, before he appeared before them on August 17th.

Who do you think MCN was talking about?

 

[i.b.nora]

According to this article; http://www.timesleaderonline.com/page/content.detail/id/542055.html

The three students testified on Oct. 12th. It was published Oct. 16th and the preceding Friday would have been the 12th.

In the question and answer period they refer to the questioner as ma'am. So it isn't Tom Lipps who replaced Jane Hanlin they are talking to. So who is it?

I'm going to deconstruct each part of the testimony from this site that hollyjokers posted; http://leestranahan.com/category/steubenville/page/3/

RE:The BBM portion.

On August 27th, the Ohio Attorney General's Office appointed 2 attorneys to handle the case, Marianne Hemmeter and Jennifer Brumby.

I would presume that one or both of those two female prosecuting attorneys were at the hearing that day and questioning the witnesses.

 

[Steely Dan]

More MC testimony;

5) “Party” At Cole House

This is where the second alleged assaults happen. This is the last stop and not really a ‘party’, exactly. This is the testimony of Mark Cole.

He doesn't know who was carrying her, but he knows it required both of them from the last place.

He says she was taken to the basement by her arms, carrying her. What does that mean? :waitasec:

She couldn't walk on her own.

So now we have MC, TM, MR and EW in the basement with the girl.

Who takes their shirt off to throw up? I've never heard of that before.

 

[Steely Dan]

More MC testimony;

So now AC is on his way.

What is onto the - onto the -in my basement. We know his bedroom is down there. I'd like to know what they brought her on to. Why wasn't he asked about that?

MC went upstairs to wait til he saw AC's car and tell him where to turn and then had to come up from the basement to let him in? :waitasec:


So now we have AC, MC, TM, MR and EW in the basement with the girl. That's five guys alone with this poor girl.

She wasn't there to say yes or no. That's rape, 'Nuff said.

He doesn't recall hearing anything?

All of the commentary on these testimonies in the prior and subsequent posts are merely my opinion.

 

[JBean]

More MC testimony;

So now AC is on his way.

What is onto the - onto the -in my basement. We know his bedroom is down there. I'd like to know what they brought her on to. Why wasn't he asked about that?

MC went upstairs to wait til he saw AC's car and tell him where to turn and then had to come up from the basement to let him in? :waitasec:


So now we have AC, MC, TM, MR and EW in the basement with the girl. That's five guys alone with this poor girl.

She wasn't there to say yes or no. That's rape, 'Nuff said.

He doesn't recall hearing anything?

All of the commentary on these testimonies in the prior and subsequent posts are merely my opinion.

I concur. If she cannot consent it is rape- legally and morally, imo

As an aside regarding the date rape drugs discussion ,let's not forget the number 1 date rape drug in the US is......alcohol.

 

[Steely Dan]

Still MC's testimony;

IMO, people don't just give out their phone passwords. I wonder how they got it out of her?

I already commented on this.

There is also speculation that they wanted the phone unlocked so they could send the "I know you didn't rape me" text.

 

[Steely Dan]

More MC testimony;

And all of that is from a website entitled

January 15, 2013
Steubenville Fact Check: Where The Alleged Assaults Occurred (WIP)


http://leestranahan.com/category/steubenville/page/3/

Somehow I don't think it helps their case. What is described is pretty much what I've heard about the assault, and a lot doesn't make sense and the person asking the questions didn't follow up very well on a lot of questions. Once again all of what I wrote about the trial snippets is my own opinion.