GUILTY OH - Steubenville Rape Case, 11 Aug 2012 #1

[Yoda]

Basketball tourneys at St. John's Arena - that's exactly what my early memories of Steubenville involve. SJA custodial staff once expressed a desire to kill my father, but that was just a confetti-misunderstanding.

:what: Confetti + custodians = :hills:

 

[Sjoseph316]

Sickening! :furious:

I don't know what is more sickening, the fact that these creatures did this to these kids or the fact that only 1 of them will be doing any jail time.....probably about 8-9 months. Way to plea bargain that justice system!!!!!
Those people will do worse next time, possibly even kill, and unfortunately I guarantee there is a next time.

 

[Steely Dan]

This is actually pretty pro Steubenville; http://theothermccain.com/2013/01/2...o-will-not-be-used-as-evidence-at-rape-trial/

Steubenville Update: Nodianos Video Will Not Be Used as Evidence at Rape Trial
Posted on | January 29, 2013

A video that caused an Internet sensation will not be used as evidence in the trial of two 16-year-old Steubenville High School football players accused of sexually assaulting a girl last August.

At a preliminary hearing Friday in the Steubenville case, state prosecutors described the video of (MN) as “inadmissible and irrelevant” to their case, Lee Stranahan reports....

I agree with that assessment. It shows nothing incriminating about MR and TM. However, I think the video does need to be used in an investigation of MCN. What he knows, what he saw and try him, and any others for any laws they've broken, some of which are on the video. JMO

BTW, the blog about the Steubenville rape case has been closed down due to violation of blog.com's TOS.

 

[Steely Dan]

[video=youtube;n-D2-gSKnZU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-D2-gSKnZU&list=UU8p1vwvWtl6T73JiExfWs1g&index=2[/video]

 

[Steely Dan]

Steubenville Sex Offender Registry; http://www.sexoffenderin.com/ohio/steubenville.htm

 

[Steely Dan]

http://www.channels.com/episodes/sh...ubenville-Rape-Crew-s-Disgusting-Brags-VIDEO-

I never noticed how he names MR and TM in the MCN video. Still it's hearsay, but he should be called as a witness. JMO

 

[Steely Dan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TE-WokLgzkM

 

[Steely Dan]

http://politicolonel.com/2013/01/07...eubenville-ohio-gang-rape-case/#axzz2JjLfyVH0


Website LocalLeaks Publishes Information About the Steubenville, Ohio, Gang Rape Case
by Colonel on January 7, 2013

“– Enter Anonymous –

On December 23, 2012 a cell within Anonymous called “Knight Sec” took up the cause of giving a voice to the victim of this horrible crime, and began unraveling this conspiracy of silence designed to protect a group of these high school football players who had become well known to their fellow students as “The Rape Crew”. Fueled by intelligence they had received from many students at Big Red High School, they launched Operation RollRedRoll by releasing this video. Take careful note of the various screen capture images of pictures taken by these monsters of this poor defenseless girl, and note their many comments made in tweets and Facebook posts regarding their crime (now since deleted)....

 

[Steely Dan]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michealene-cristini-risley/a-conversation-with-anony_b_2433813.html


Michealene Cristini Risley
A Conversation With Anonymous
Posted: 01/08/2013 3:02 pm

A monstrous crime allegedly took place in Steubenville, OH this August -- the rape and sodomization of a 16-year-old girl over the course of several hours by a group of local high school athletes known to their peers as "The Rape Crew." The story began making headlines in December, but most people didn't hear about it until New Year's day, when a hacktivist group designating itself part of Anonymous posted an in-depth, disturbing set of dossiers and documents that it dubbed the Steubenville files....

 

[Steely Dan]

This is interesting. Check out the full name of the Sheriff in Jefferson county: http://www.usacops.com/oh/s43952/index.html

Now check out the name of the Jefferson County Juvenile Court spokesman: http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/30/justice/ohio-steubenville-case/index.html

In a small town I'm sure there is a lot of cronyism and family connections, but I just find it interesting.

 

[LinTX]

This is actually pretty pro Steubenville; http://theothermccain.com/2013/01/2...o-will-not-be-used-as-evidence-at-rape-trial/

Steubenville Update: Nodianos Video Will Not Be Used as Evidence at Rape Trial
Posted on | January 29, 2013

A video that caused an Internet sensation will not be used as evidence in the trial of two 16-year-old Steubenville High School football players accused of sexually assaulting a girl last August.

At a preliminary hearing Friday in the Steubenville case, state prosecutors described the video of (MN) as “inadmissible and irrelevant” to their case, Lee Stranahan reports....

I agree with that assessment. It shows nothing incriminating about MR and TM. However, I think the video does need to be used in an investigation of MCN. What he knows, what he saw and try him, and any others for any laws they've broken, some of which are on the video. JMO

BTW, the blog about the Steubenville rape case has been closed down due to violation of blog.com's TOS.

The blogger McCain is one of Stranahan's buddies. As for that supposed quote by the prosecutor, that is Stranahan's version - I've searched through quite a few MSM articles that covered that hearing in detail, and none of them support Stranahan's interpretation of the request, this supposed statement by the prosecutor or the decision on the video.

Madison asked for judicial review of the video and the court's opinion on both it's criminality and whether or not it could be constitutionally offered as evidence. He wanted to know before the trial if statements that were made in the video would be heard - he was also wanting a ruling or interpretation of the "immunity letters". Guessing he's planning his defense strategy depending on what witnesses would be permitted to say in trial.

The judge did not rule the video would not be used as evidence, despite what Stranahan wants people to believe. He actually said he had not seen the video, did not plan of viewing it (which he would have to do for judicial review) and would only do so if it was admitted into evidence.

This is on page 7 of the decision, which can be read here:
http://www.heraldstaronline.com/pdf/news/582695_1.pdf

 

[Wise Old Owl]

'Don't call Ohio rape case girl a VICTIM': Outrage as lawyers for football stars 'who attacked 16-year-old girl' urge judge to call her 'the accuser'
By Daily Mail Reporter
PUBLISHED: 12:14 EST, 22 January 2013 | UPDATED: 15:58 EST, 22 January 2013



Speaking to MailOnline Fred Abdalla Jr, Chief Probation Officer at Jefferson County Juvenile Court said: ‘Ma’lik Richmond’s attorney asked the judge if Ma’lik could have permission to travel with the Agresta family between the dates of December 31 through January 5.’


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...al-Lawyers-object-calling-girl-16-victim.html





Ummmm............................could it be? Ya think? Nah.....................

Unbelievable.




JMHO

This is interesting. Check out the full name of the Sheriff in Jefferson county: http://www.usacops.com/oh/s43952/index.html

Now check out the name of the Jefferson County Juvenile Court spokesman: http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/30/justice/ohio-steubenville-case/index.html

In a small town I'm sure there is a lot of cronyism and family connections, but I just find it interesting.

Steely - I caught that a while back - quoted my own post to show ya. Although my link says he is the chief Probation Officer and yours says he is the Juvenile Court Spokesman (could be the spokeman's job was just added due to this case though - maybe? Ya think?)

But, yea, I caught that!





JMHO

 

[i.b.nora]

Re: Robert Stacy McCain
From the Southern Poverty Law Center site:

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/league-of-the-south

League of the South

Founded: 1994
Location: Killen, Ala.
Profiled Leadership: Michael Hill
Ideology: Neo-Confederate

The League of the South is a neo-Confederate group that advocates for a second Southern secession and a society dominated by “European Americans.” The league believes the “godly” nation it wants to form should be run by an “Anglo-Celtic” (read: white) elite that would establish a Christian theocratic state and politically dominate blacks and other minorities. Originally founded by a group that included many Southern university professors, the group lost its Ph.D.s as it became more explicitly racist. The league denounces the federal government and northern and coastal states as part of “the Empire,” a materialist and anti-religious society.

*

Remarkably, the league has found a few staunch defenders in the major media, particularly former member Robert Stacy McCain. For years, McCain was a key writer at the ultraconservative — but influential — Washington Times. Even after the Intelligence Report in 2000 exposed McCain’s relationship to the league — and the fact that he had published sympathetic essays on the league’s website — Times editors kept him on and in fact assigned him to cover neo-Confederate events. He resigned years later during a purge of extremist personnel at the newspaper.

More...

I personally don't think his blog or anything he has to say about anything should be linked to from Websleuths. He has exhibited an ugly, ugly bias, IMO.

One can use the search engine at the SPLC site to see other entries about this McCain dude. For instance, here is another much longer more informative article with info regarding McCain:

http://www.splcenter.org/get-inform...wse-all-issues/2005/spring/the-news-that-fits

 

[Steely Dan]

The blogger McCain is one of Stranahan's buddies. As for that supposed quote by the prosecutor, that is Stranahan's version - I've searched through quite a few MSM articles that covered that hearing in detail, and none of them support Stranahan's interpretation of the request, this supposed statement by the prosecutor or the decision on the video.

Madison asked for judicial review of the video and the court's opinion on both it's criminality and whether or not it could be constitutionally offered as evidence. He wanted to know before the trial if statements that were made in the video would be heard - he was also wanting a ruling or interpretation of the "immunity letters". Guessing he's planning his defense strategy depending on what witnesses would be permitted to say in trial.

The judge did not rule the video would not be used as evidence, despite what Stranahan wants people to believe. He actually said he had not seen the video, did not plan of viewing it (which he would have to do for judicial review) and would only do so if it was admitted into evidence.

This is on page 7 of the decision, which can be read here:
http://www.heraldstaronline.com/pdf/news/582695_1.pdf

BBM

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong please. I thought since this was juvenile court that judge was the prosecution. If that's true the judge has or should have the right to review ALL potential evidence like a prosecutor would. If there is a prosecutor they should at least try to get the video admitted, JMO.

 

[gitana1]

BBM

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong please. I thought since this was juvenile court that judge was the prosecution. If that's true the judge has or should have the right to review ALL potential evidence like a prosecutor would. If there is a prosecutor they should at least try to get the video admitted, JMO.

There is a prosecutor in all juvenile cases. It's pretty much the same as a regular, adult criminal case!!!

 

[Steely Dan]

There is a prosecutor in all juvenile cases. It's pretty much the same as a regular, adult criminal case!!!

Thank you. Why would the judge refuse to view it, if it's offered up as evidence. Wouldn't he be legally required to do so. The video was originally posted online and then deleted. Knightsec retrieved it after it had been removed. Would that alone make it inadmissable? Should the judge at least watch it to decide first? :waitasec:

Does it appear the prosecution even tried to enter it as evidence?

 

[LinTX]

He's not saying he won't watch it if introduced as evidence, he's actually saying he will not 'preview' what could be introduced until (or if) it is entered. The defense wanted an advance opinion from the court, and the judge denied that motion. The prosecution (or defense) won't be entering evidence until the trial...

 

[Steely Dan]

Re: Robert Stacy McCain
From the Southern Poverty Law Center site:

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/league-of-the-south

League of the South

Founded: 1994
Location: Killen, Ala.
Profiled Leadership: Michael Hill
Ideology: Neo-Confederate

The League of the South is a neo-Confederate group that advocates for a second Southern secession and a society dominated by “European Americans.” The league believes the “godly” nation it wants to form should be run by an “Anglo-Celtic” (read: white) elite that would establish a Christian theocratic state and politically dominate blacks and other minorities. Originally founded by a group that included many Southern university professors, the group lost its Ph.D.s as it became more explicitly racist. The league denounces the federal government and northern and coastal states as part of “the Empire,” a materialist and anti-religious society.

*

Remarkably, the league has found a few staunch defenders in the major media, particularly former member Robert Stacy McCain. For years, McCain was a key writer at the ultraconservative — but influential — Washington Times. Even after the Intelligence Report in 2000 exposed McCain’s relationship to the league — and the fact that he had published sympathetic essays on the league’s website — Times editors kept him on and in fact assigned him to cover neo-Confederate events. He resigned years later during a purge of extremist personnel at the newspaper.

More...

I personally don't think his blog or anything he has to say about anything should be linked to from Websleuths. He has exhibited an ugly, ugly bias, IMO.

One can use the search engine at the SPLC site to see other entries about this McCain dude. For instance, here is another much longer more informative article with info regarding McCain:

http://www.splcenter.org/get-inform...wse-all-issues/2005/spring/the-news-that-fits

I read the whole article at the SPLC link and all I can say is; Wow, just wow! What a :censored: head.

 

[Steely Dan]

He's not saying he won't watch it if introduced as evidence, he's actually saying he will not 'preview' what could be introduced until (or if) it is entered. The defense wanted an advance opinion from the court, and the judge denied that motion. The prosecution (or defense) won't be entering evidence until the trial...

That's not how I interpret it. JMO

 

[LinTX]

I'm certainly not a lawyer, don't claim to understand most of it and realize I may be reading this wrong, but how differently can one read this?

The Court has not viewed the cited video and does not intend to unless it is admitted into evidence.

Judicial notice, as I understand it, is kind of a short cut around rules of evidence & how it is normally entered into a trial. If the judge takes notice, that means whatever the evidence is is taken as undisputed fact. From the following quote, I'm wondering if what Madison was trying to do was avoid witnesses from that video being questioned under oath.

The usual method of establishing adjudicative facts in through the introduction of evidence, ordinarily consisting of the testimony of witnesses. If particular facts are outside of reasonable controversy, this process is dispensed with as unnecessary. A high degree of indisputability is the essential prerequisite.

(http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_201)