GUILTY OH - Steubenville Rape Case, 11 Aug 2012 #1

[Steely Dan]

To answer Steely Dan's question regarding CK-

I dont know what LE has that may or may not involve him. I referenced the title of the article vs the content. I referenced Ms Hanlin's statement because of what it didnt say as much as for what it did say.

KSU feels strongly enough to make it clear they are reviewing a scholarship offer that is attributed to CK.

I would say his "lack" of participation is not abundantly clear to anyone at this time except perhaps his mother.

I ,specifically, would like to know if there was a party of underage drinkers at Ms Hanlin's house on those days or any other day.

I'm not saying his mother is lying, but she has a lot of reasons to lie and a way to squash evidence. JMO

 

[believe09]

Believe - this whole thing stinks from the head down. I don't have any concrete links so this is JMHO - but

I believe that the "videographer" of that 12 minute viedo is CK. And, that the video was taken in in the basement of the Hanlin house.

I also think (my opinion only) that Hanlin is in severe cover mode. That there were many parties that took place there.

Abdalla was asked about the one house (of the assistant or volunteer coach) and he said that there were no adults home so, therefore, no adults could be charged. Huh? :waitasec:

I'm also very curious about CS's involvement in all this (and his gf). He was talked about alot in the beginning but now everything has shifted away from him. I do believe he was the one that filed that lawsuit but then had to dismiss it and even posted an apology about it.


This is all why I really want the FBI in there to re-investigate everything. Adults and home owners included.


JMHO

Unfortunately, WOO, I think all of your conclusions are very reasonable.

We will all have a better idea between now and February I expect.

 

[believe09]

I'm not saying his mother is lying, but she has a lot of reasons to lie and a way to squash evidence. JMO

Agreed- let's hope her moral compass doesnt allow for either.

 

[i.b.nora]

Abdallah is the County Sheriff, he was never investigating the case. Why should it be presumed that he was privy to the details, or engaging in the exchange of information, or much of anything, regarding the Steubenville Police Department's investigation? If I recall correctly, all the Sheriff's Office did was execute the pick up of cell phones on warrants from the Steubenville police.

They picked them up and gave them to the police, they didn't investigate the contents of the phones, did they?

I just don't see the big deal regarding Abdallah's not seeing the video until it was posted to the internet (or wherever he saw it). He wasn't investigating the case!

 

[time]

Thank you for the above. If you listen to that radio interview Abdalla did clearly state that is was a different, third party charged with the child . So, IDK. As far as the three confiscated phones - I did see a link somewhere from the court hearing that something like 17 phones had been confiscated (or reviewed) so, again, IDK.

It is definitely worth the time to listen to that radio interview. Abdalla talked about the "jurisdiction" questions. He said that the victim's parents originally went to Steubenville PD - so they opened the complaint and started the investigation. SPD then found that the "crime" was actually committed outside the city limits - which then put it in Abdalla's jurisdiction. BUT, (per Abdalla) by the time SPD called Abdalla in, they (SPD) had "already wrapped the case up" - Abdalla's words - so he didn't see the need to really do anything. Abdalla said that SPD have interviewed 59 (or 69) witnesses and he didn't want to "take the time" to re-interview all those people. Abdalla said a couple of times in that interview that the "case was already wrapped up". That, alone, floored me. Then, on the other hand (you wear a glove :crazy this is still an on-going investigation - so IDK. Even though it's an on-going investigation - Abdalla said that no one else is going to be charged. :waitasec:

Again, that interview is really worth the listen because it is Abdalla himself talking. He also addressed some of those allegations that Anonymous put in that report.

What gets me the most with Abdalla is that he said he didn't see that 12 minute video until "3 days ago" - yet he also says that SPD had that video back in August. So, again, when SPD called in Abdalla, I guess he didn't even bother to review ANYTHING that SPD had in the investigative file. Or, was he "briefed" by SPD and "agreed" that the "case was already wrapped up" and there was nothing to see here - just move along?



JMHO


ETA: About the "kidnapping" charges. That is a federal offense. Abdalla was asked about that and completely skirted the issue. He said that was decided in the court (to drop those charges) and that for it to be kidnapping that someone had to have crossed state lines. (Not true).

What I'm trying to find out is how the victim got home. She lives in West Virginia. That crosses state lines - doesn't it? Anonymous updated their report to say that in the "early morning hours" someone transported the victim home and dumped her on her front lawn and that her parents found her there at dawn. So, if that is the case - then I do believe the kidnapping charges should be re-instated - don't you? I haven't read or heard from any "authority" about how the victim got home - so IDK.

Also, when her parents went to SPD to file the complaint, they took a zip drive with them with ALL the social media collected on it (and I'm quite sure there is a whole bunch more that the public was never privy to). I'm really glad they did it - because it preserves what was "out there" in the day or two right after and where it came from.


JMHO

Thanks for all that!!

Just addressing one point for now. It appears, by some statements - not sure they are to LE, the guys dropped the victim off on someone's lawn then later took her home and dropped her off on her own lawn where her parents found her. Not sure there is an MSM link for this account? The account also states that a woman/girl (GF of one of the guys) asked the victim to the party and the 3 guys picked her up after or at practice.

The Sheriff seems a bit confused, perhaps because he didn't review everything? I think he should have, but maybe we should take what he says with a grain of salt. I'm wondering if the better interview would have been of SPD.

Per kidnapping charges, I don't see what they have to do with State lines at all, unless someone was talking about that being a reason to bring in the Feds or the severity of the charges?

 

[believe09]

Abdallah is the County Sheriff, he was never investigating the case. Why should it be presumed that he was privy to the details, or engaging in the exchange of information, or much of anything, regarding the Steubenville Police Department's investigation? If I recall correctly, all the Sheriff's Office did was execute the pick up of cell phones on warrants from the Steubenville police.

They picked them up and gave them to the police, they didn't investigate the contents of the phones, did they?

I just don't see the big deal regarding Abdallah's not seeing the video until it was posted to the internet (or wherever he saw it). He wasn't investigating the case!

He probably shouldnt be commenting on what he thinks he knows about any aspect of the investigation, then.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Abdallah is the County Sheriff, he was never investigating the case. Why should it be presumed that he was privy to the details, or engaging in the exchange of information, or much of anything, regarding the Steubenville Police Department's investigation? If I recall correctly, all the Sheriff's Office did was execute the pick up of cell phones on warrants from the Steubenville police.

They picked them up and gave them to the police, they didn't investigate the contents of the phones, did they?

I just don't see the big deal regarding Abdallah's not seeing the video until it was posted to the internet (or wherever he saw it). He wasn't investigating the case!

BBM

But he should have been. The crime actually took place outside the city limits of Steubenville. He says that himself. When SPD figured out that the house the crime took place is was outside city limits they called him in but (per Abdalla himself) when he went to SPD they all decided the case was "wrapped up" and therefore, he (Abdalla) didn't see any need to do anything. He does talk about when he took those 3 phones - he and his deputies went to the practice field of the football team and met with the coach there and the coach told those 3 to go to the locker rooms and get their phones. That was all in that radio interview. I'm telling you - that interview was a real eye-opener for me.


JMHO

 

[time]

Abdallah is the County Sheriff, he was never investigating the case. Why should it be presumed that he was privy to the details, or engaging in the exchange of information, or much of anything, regarding the Steubenville Police Department's investigation? If I recall correctly, all the Sheriff's Office did was execute the pick up of cell phones on warrants from the Steubenville police.

They picked them up and gave them to the police, they didn't investigate the contents of the phones, did they?

I just don't see the big deal regarding Abdallah's not seeing the video until it was posted to the internet (or wherever he saw it). He wasn't investigating the case!

I'm wondering why he is being made a central figure also? Maybe just because he is so willing to be on camera?

 

[believe09]

What I'm trying to find out is how the victim got home. She lives in West Virginia. That crosses state lines - doesn't it? Anonymous updated their report to say that in the "early morning hours" someone transported the victim home and dumped her on her front lawn and that her parents found her there at dawn. So, if that is the case - then I do believe the kidnapping charges should be re-instated - don't you? I haven't read or heard from any "authority" about how the victim got home - so IDK.

Also, when her parents went to SPD to file the complaint, they took a zip drive with them with ALL the social media collected on it (and I'm quite sure there is a whole bunch more that the public was never privy to). I'm really glad they did it - because it preserves what was "out there" in the day or two right after and where it came from.

IIRC, WOO, someone suggested the RICO statute might come into play here because of the transporting...not to a hospital mind you or a police station, but to her home.

I bet her parents yelled at her for being so drunk. I bet she was grounded or something like that. And then they found out what happened to her...

I insert this here not because it is fact-I just think they should know it isnt their fault either.

 

[time]

BBM

But he should have been. The crime actually took place outside the city limits of Steubenville. He says that himself. When SPD figured out that the house the crime took place is was outside city limits they called him in but (per Abdalla himself) when he went to SPD they all decided the case was "wrapped up" and therefore, he (Abdalla) didn't see any need to do anything. He does talk about when he took those 3 phones - he and his deputies went to the practice field of the football team and met with the coach there and the coach told those 3 to go to the locker rooms and get their phones. That was all in that radio interview. I'm telling you - that interview was a real eye-opener for me.


JMHO

It does kind of sound like he just respected their investigation. Although did he say that he didn't read the interviews of the 59 or so people and so on? He does say he didn't look at the video, but that guy is not one of the main ones involved so it's difficult to know what has transpired and what, if anything, he has investigated independently.

I don't see how the investigation could have been wrapped up if the Sheriff is the one to confiscate the phones. I also don't see why SPD proceeded with everything, they know what is county and what isn't. Are they saying it that was difficult to ascertain where the house was? What about the other houses, where are they located? It should have been easy also to find out the victim was from another state, right?

 

[Steely Dan]

Abdallah is the County Sheriff, he was never investigating the case. Why should it be presumed that he was privy to the details, or engaging in the exchange of information, or much of anything, regarding the Steubenville Police Department's investigation? If I recall correctly, all the Sheriff's Office did was execute the pick up of cell phones on warrants from the Steubenville police.

They picked them up and gave them to the police, they didn't investigate the contents of the phones, did they?

I just don't see the big deal regarding Abdallah's not seeing the video until it was posted to the internet (or wherever he saw it). He wasn't investigating the case!

BBM

But he should have been. The crime actually took place outside the city limits of Steubenville. He says that himself. When SPD figured out that the house the crime took place is was outside city limits they called him in but (per Abdalla himself) when he went to SPD they all decided the case was "wrapped up" and therefore, he (Abdalla) didn't see any need to do anything. He does talk about when he took those 3 phones - he and his deputies went to the practice field of the football team and met with the coach there and the coach told those 3 to go to the locker rooms and get their phones. That was all in that radio interview. I'm telling you - that interview was a real eye-opener for me.


JMHO

It sounds to me like the SPD did a :censored: job of investigating and when they figured out that the Sheriff should be involved the Sheriff walked in and said you guys already looked into it? OK, no more questions here.

http://www.news-register.net/page/c...h-Witnesses.html?nav=515#.UO7QS-4u7Pc.twitter

...One of the witnesses said he used his cell phone to videotape Nemann's client having sexual contact with the girl in the back seat of a car. The girl was barely conscious at the time, according to testimony. The witness shared the video with another person before deleting it the next day. Another witness testified that he took a cell phone picture of the girl while she was lying naked on a basement floor. He said he took the picture so he could explain to her what had happened that night, but he later deleted it.

An Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation computer forensic specialist testified she could not recover the deleted evidence from the witnesses' cell phones, which were among 15 phones confiscated by local law enforcement and turned over to state investigators....

BBM

Do we need to get AZlawyer and JG involved in this? Seriously, they couldn't retrieve any pictures? Did they ask the FBI for help? I find it very hard to believe that there is no way to retrieve that data. JMO

 

[Wise Old Owl]

EXACTLY believe!!! I've been saying that from day one. It is obvious that no one wanted the feds there - no one. Sadly, I think in the day or two right after, everyone was confused - including the victim's parents and the poor victim herself. In Steubenville, JMHO all the "fine upstanding young football players" were talking about this poor girl and how "it was all her fault" and how she "consented" and how much she drank and how it wasn't their fault or that they didn't "do anything that she didn't want" type mentality! That is just my opinion - but I can see that very clearly.

Once the blogger started putting it out there and more and more people started looking at all of this - it became clear that this wasn't just going to "go away quietly" and that's when the cover mode began.

There is another report out there about a girl that was raped there (by the same "crew") back in April - well before this August incident. I really hope there are more that come forward and tell what they know. There were a whole lot of high schoolers at these parties that night. Whether or not they saw or heard anything doesn't matter - it would scare the beejezus out of them just knowing they were there (especially if they were drinking too). I know if my high schooler came to me and confided that he/she were there but didn't really see or hear anything that I would have been at LE's doorstep the very next morning wanting to know what they are doing about the adults/homeowners that "hosted" an underage drinking party - regardless of whether they were home or not. Here, in my neck of the woods - that just doesn't fly. You are arrested and charged with contributing. Period. End of story.



JMHO

 

[Lois Lane]

Reported today at WTOV9:

DeWine also said the state investigation of the case is nearing its end. Several witnesses were interviewed on Wednesday, though DeWine could not say who his office has spoken with.

http://www.wtov9.com/news/news/ohio-ag-no-immunity-given-anyone-who-testified-or-/nTr5q/

 

[believe09]

Reported today at WTOV9:



http://www.wtov9.com/news/news/ohio-ag-no-immunity-given-anyone-who-testified-or-/nTr5q/

I am curious as to what part of the investigation they referred to the feds.

 

[Lois Lane]

BBM

From WTOV9:

McVey said the school district is fully cooperating with the ongoing state investigation and s encouraging any other students with information that might help saying, "By remaining silent, witnesses thwart the work of investigators, which may ultimately prevent justice from being served."

NEWS9's Eric Minor said to McVey during the interview, "I think a lot of the outrage that's happened has been about not over issues that could be prosecuted or issues that are legal, but over issues of character."

To that statement, McVey said, "Absolutely. It's a horrendous act. A horrible act what went on with the Internet and the social media. And we're going to support more social media to get them educated with that to be more specific so with that learning point or teaching point, per se, I think we have to be aware that hey, these are situations that can happen. And unfortunately, it's come to light in Steubenville, Ohio."

Video and more at the link:

http://www.wtov9.com/news/news/superintendent-discusses-rape-investigation-impact/nTr68/

Can I get an interpretation of the portion I bolded?

 

[Steely Dan]

It does kind of sound like he just respected their investigation. Although did he say that he didn't read the interviews of the 59 or so people and so on? He does say he didn't look at the video, but that guy is not one of the main ones involved so it's difficult to know what has transpired and what, if anything, he has investigated independently.

I don't see how the investigation could have been wrapped up if the Sheriff is the one to confiscate the phones. I also don't see why SPD proceeded with everything, they know what is county and what isn't. Are they saying it that was difficult to ascertain where the house was? What about the other houses, where are they located? It should have been easy also to find out the victim was from another state, right?

His job is to investigate the case. At a minimum he should have reviewed the work that was done by the SPD. JMO

According to LocalLeaks the Sheriff is running a gambling ring in the area;

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/01/local-leaks-steubenville-files/60720/


...And, of course, it is Sheriff Abdalla who LocalLeaks has accused of not wanting to aggressively pursue the rape investigation. The reason, they've alleged, is that Sheriff Abdalla is involved in illegal gambling having to do with Steubenville High football games. It's one of those explosive but not exactly sourced revelations that LocalLeaks has made throughout its work on the story. The editor explains how they've come to that conclusion:

So let's say some of the more controversial "facts" like the fact that Abdalla runs a huge gambling ring. We received documents — anonymous and attributed testimony — from well over 50 sources. We thus feel pretty comfortable in stating: "Abdalla runs a gambling ring"....

____________

... An ocean away, the LocalLeaks editor is not backing down over the debate on what's legal fact and what's local rumor. Asked what he would say to someone who did not trust the site's fact-checking, he wrote: "If you look at the right hand corner of your browser tab, there's a little 'x' — click it." The editor said that the site's mission is "to reveal the truth," adding, "If it were not true, it would not be on our web site."

Leiderman, the LocalLeaks lawyer, while concerned, was also confident: "If they're going to sue 'em for defamation, good luck with it," he said....

 

[believe09]

McVey said, "Absolutely. It's a horrendous act. A horrible act what went on with the Internet and the social media.

This is the part that interested me, Lois Lane. He doesnt seem to be equivocating that what happened was a rape.

As to the part you bolded, my first instinct is to say it looks like "deer in the headlights" speak. No offense to him.

 

[hollyjokers]

It sounds to me like the SPD did a :censored: job of investigating and when they figured out that the Sheriff should be involved the Sheriff walked in and said you guys already looked into it? OK, no more questions here.

http://www.news-register.net/page/c...h-Witnesses.html?nav=515#.UO7QS-4u7Pc.twitter

...One of the witnesses said he used his cell phone to videotape Nemann's client having sexual contact with the girl in the back seat of a car. The girl was barely conscious at the time, according to testimony. The witness shared the video with another person before deleting it the next day. Another witness testified that he took a cell phone picture of the girl while she was lying naked on a basement floor. He said he took the picture so he could explain to her what had happened that night, but he later deleted it.

An Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation computer forensic specialist testified she could not recover the deleted evidence from the witnesses' cell phones, which were among 15 phones confiscated by local law enforcement and turned over to state investigators....

BBM

Do we need to get AZlawyer and JG involved in this? Seriously, they couldn't retrieve any pictures? Did they ask the FBI for help? I find it very hard to believe that there is no way to retrieve that data. JMO

She explained at the October hearing the newer iPhone OS make it impossible to retrieve deleted data.

 

[LinTX]

Also, when her parents went to SPD to file the complaint, they took a zip drive with them with ALL the social media collected on it (and I'm quite sure there is a whole bunch more that the public was never privy to). I'm really glad they did it - because it preserves what was "out there" in the day or two right after and where it came from.

(snipped for brevity)
It only preserves anything if what was on the zip drive didn't disappear - like the video that was somehow destroyed when SPD was recovering info from one of the phones.

It wasn't just coincidence, IMO, that Alex Goddard and several commenters on her blog were sued once she started describing what she'd seen online. Even after CS dropped his lawsuit she was called a liar about what she had reported seeing, until Anonymous posted the video. Those files were deleted pretty efficiently and uniformly by a bunch of boys that were stupid enough to upload pics and videos during and within days of the incident...files that were still online when Alex Goddard decided to check into the story behind what the media was reporting at the time.

I don't have a problem at all with the FBI investigating any threats whatsoever. But I do wish they would also investigate some other issues in this case, including exactly how and why evidence was destroyed and the apparent almost incestuous relationships of the public officials charged with the schools, the football program, LE and the justice system. I realize this is a small town that is losing it's economy and it's population is dwindling, and maybe it's just because of that fact that all these people seem to overlap each other in various aspects of the town's business. They stayed local, have experience and there are probably not a lot of options in the number of people both educated enough and willing to serve? I can understand that, but if that's the case, IMO it calls for even more transparency than normal and more sensitivity on their parts as to remaining completely impartial while going about their duties. Instead, I see people who showed very little regard for any of those things until the spotlight was put on them, and at the worst maybe some who did try to manipulate facts and issues in order to protect people other than the victim.

 

[time]

His job is to investigate the case. At a minimum he should have reviewed the work that was done by the SPD. JMO

According to LocalLeaks the Sheriff is running a gambling ring in the area;

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/01/local-leaks-steubenville-files/60720/


...And, of course, it is Sheriff Abdalla who LocalLeaks has accused of not wanting to aggressively pursue the rape investigation. The reason, they've alleged, is that Sheriff Abdalla is involved in illegal gambling having to do with Steubenville High football games. It's one of those explosive but not exactly sourced revelations that LocalLeaks has made throughout its work on the story. The editor explains how they've come to that conclusion:

So let's say some of the more controversial "facts" like the fact that Abdalla runs a huge gambling ring. We received documents — anonymous and attributed testimony — from well over 50 sources. We thus feel pretty comfortable in stating: "Abdalla runs a gambling ring"....

____________

... An ocean away, the LocalLeaks editor is not backing down over the debate on what's legal fact and what's local rumor. Asked what he would say to someone who did not trust the site's fact-checking, he wrote: "If you look at the right hand corner of your browser tab, there's a little 'x' — click it." The editor said that the site's mission is "to reveal the truth," adding, "If it were not true, it would not be on our web site."

Leiderman, the LocalLeaks lawyer, while concerned, was also confident: "If they're going to sue 'em for defamation, good luck with it," he said....

Sorry, I am even confusing myself here. I agree with you and thanks for reminding me of the other stuff going on.

Has SPD been interviewing in the media? My concern is that we have SPD and the Sheriff investigating, the Sheriff saying they did it, he should have done it.... but SPD is still accountable also and it's important because time passed. Did they handle what they did appropriately? If so, why was the Sheriff the one to go out and collect phones?