GUILTY OH - Steubenville Rape Case, 11 Aug 2012 #1

[LisaB]

Abdallah is the County Sheriff, he was never investigating the case. Why should it be presumed that he was privy to the details, or engaging in the exchange of information, or much of anything, regarding the Steubenville Police Department's investigation? If I recall correctly, all the Sheriff's Office did was execute the pick up of cell phones on warrants from the Steubenville police.

They picked them up and gave them to the police, they didn't investigate the contents of the phones, did they?

I just don't see the big deal regarding Abdallah's not seeing the video until it was posted to the internet (or wherever he saw it). He wasn't investigating the case!

I think the issue is that he has been contending this was all a lot of hot air, and an effort to "smear" his town (and the HS') good name. Without having looked at the video, he was in no position to state that, and since he had the video in his possession, he probably SHOULD have given it a look-see before making his statements.

 

[LisaB]

SBM
How many parties were there? I thought 3 had been mentioned. One is in the court record as having been at MC II's house. There was another name that escapes me now b/c it hasn't been in discussion very much who also hosted a party. The 12 minute video was alleged to have been filmed at JH's house.

I believe that within minutes of them arriving at the second party, they were asked to leave (by an assistant coach?) due to the girl's condition. So either there were only two parties (as in events, not as in people) involved in the actual assaults (only because they were rebuffed at the second address) out of three attended, or there were LOTS of parties and she was molested at three of them, though she was taken to more?

When does the school year start? Unless it was mid-August, why were there SO MANY PARTIES going on the same night in such a small town?

 

[believe09]

Attorney General spokesman Dan Tierney said the state decided the students would go uncharged only for the crime of illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material.

That is some hair splitting. So we call it a tie I guess between the atty's who claimed deals were on the table and the AG who claimed there were no deals....I guess he meant no deals guaranteeing no consequences.

 

[hollyjokers]

Most schools in Ohio start up 4th week of August, like August 22-26th.

I wondered about the number of parties being held among the same circle of people, presumably not even the last weekend before school started.

 

[believe09]

Deleting the data from the IPHONE-does it require wiping it using the option to reset the phone to factory settings? That is the info I am finding on the www but I am pretty much a complete novice regarding this stuff.

 

[LisaB]

MCIII said it "wasn't his place to determine if there was a sexual assault. He said he didn't believe it was necessary to call his mother, who wasn't at home, another adult or the police.

C*** did say the victim wasn't moving at his house when the sexual assault took place.

He said R******* was lying beside her with his hands around her groin area but couldn't tell if R******* was sexually touching the victim. He said he didn't intervene because He said he didn't intervene because he didn't at any time see the conduct by the defendants as "forceful."

http://hsconnect.com/page/content.detail/id/578936/Teen-rape-case-moves-forward.html?nav=501
Well, I guess we know who hosted ONE of the parties at which the victim WAS assaulted, along with that individual's (lame) excuse as to why he did not intervene or try to get help for the victim. It would seem his mother was not at the home.

AC, 18, said he went to C***'s house where C*** showed him a video of what happened in C***'s car.

C****, who admitted to having a relationship with the victim, said he saw the victim naked in C***'s basement. He said he saw R******* laying beside her but couldn't tell what R******* was doing. He said M*** was smacking his penis off her side.

C**** said the victim was not responsive or participating.

C**** said he tried to tell M***, his best friend, to stop it, and told him not to do anything he will regret.

C**** said M*** told him, "It is all right ... don't worry."

When asked how it feels to testify against his friend, C*** said. "It kills me."

C**** said he took a picture of the incident in case the victim didn't know what was happening. He said he later deleted the picture from his cell phone.

C**** testified M*** sent him a naked picture of the victim the next day.

http://hsconnect.com/page/content.detail/id/578936/Teen-rape-case-moves-forward.html?nav=501

AC, at 18, is legally an adult. It boggles the mind that he not only did not take stronger measures to stop it, but that he allowed this to happen to a young lady who he "admitted to having a relationship with." His GIRLFRIEND, for G*d's sake!

M*** sent him a naked photo of the victim the next day that I (MOO) presume was not the same one C**** had taken and later deleted. So there is at least one video (taken in C***'s car), and two still photos, (taken in C***'s basement). I imagine that as soon as ONE person started recording the activities, others were quick to follow.

 

[believe09]

This is going to get my blood pressure rising again-every time I re read the testimony at the hearing, it makes me crazy.

They were all worried about one another and no one was worried about her. There were a ton of opportunities to save her.

What were the other young women doing at these parties? Did they turn blind eyes as well? Where are they in all of this?

 

[believe09]

My point about the Iphone...I am not even slightly questioning the agent who testified the data couldnt be retrieved.

IIRC, they rounded up laptops and cell phones. Many people deleted images and videos it appears...but did they back any of it up on their desktops? Zip drives??

I am trying to get a sense of how to permanently delete images-if it requires the person to reset the phone to factory settings, for example, I seriously doubt these kids were willing to lose all of their contacts, apps and other stuff that comes with owning phones like that. So I wonder if they backed up their data first. I would think that it would be much harder to get rid of that info on an actual hard drive of, say, the family computer.

Am I making any sense?

 

[time]

Has this been posted?
Vanishing Immunity Deal Throws More Steubenville Players Back in Spotlight

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/01/steubenville-case-immunity-deal/60855/

 

[human]

Has this been posted?
Vanishing Immunity Deal Throws More Steubenville Players Back in Spotlight

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/01/steubenville-case-immunity-deal/60855/

It just boggles the mind. Sickening.

 

[lonetraveler]

I believe that within minutes of them arriving at the second party, they were asked to leave (by an assistant coach?) due to the girl's condition. So either there were only two parties (as in events, not as in people) involved in the actual assaults (only because they were rebuffed at the second address) out of three attended, or there were LOTS of parties and she was molested at three of them, though she was taken to more?

When does the school year start? Unless it was mid-August, why were there SO MANY PARTIES going on the same night in such a small town?

This case is Pizzzzzzzing me off more and more every day. This coach asked them to leave due to the girl's condition? Why the hell didn't he put a stop to it right then and there, take the girl and call LE and her parents? Why isn't he being charged for something, anything, FGS? The adults such as the coaches, parents, teachers, and any others who provided the party scene and allowed this crap to happen should be charged with at least providing alcohol to minors and contributing to the delinquency of a minor and there must be a law somewhere charging them for not helping this 16 yr. old girl. This is so disgusting. This town needs to be painted red and not for the name of the football team either!:furious:

 

[Frigga]

This is going to get my blood pressure rising again-every time I re read the testimony at the hearing, it makes me crazy.

They were all worried about one another and no one was worried about her. There were a ton of opportunities to save her.

What were the other young women doing at these parties? Did they turn blind eyes as well? Where are they in all of this?

Possibly scared to death and grateful it wasn't them. These men and boys seem to hold a lot of power. Are we surprised?

 

[AbbeyR]

That is some hair splitting. So we call it a tie I guess between the atty's who claimed deals were on the table and the AG who claimed there were no deals....I guess he meant no deals guaranteeing no consequences.

This is how I would translate:

There were deals. The witnesses were told that if they testified they would not be prosecuted. (This was flat out admitted).

The deals were not legally binding (because they were illegal/ unethical)

So they were offered "deals" (*wink*) not deals. (see wording of the letters received by the witnesses)

When they say there were no deals offered, they are referring to the latter, i.e., legitimate immunity from prosecution, but omitting the first part.

:doh:

Had this not all been exposed, there wouldn't have been any difference.

 

[Yoda]

If this is a repost from this morning sorry but this is another :thud: Photos of more seminaked girls face down on basement floor found on phone.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nt-16-year-old-raped-Ohio-football-stars.html

 

[Lois Lane]

If this is a repost from this morning sorry but this is another :thud: Photos of more seminaked girls face down on basement floor found on phone.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nt-16-year-old-raped-Ohio-football-stars.html

Repost I think it is not, Yoda.

Lots of information in it.

One of the things in it that catches my eye is this:

MailOnline has seen 300-page transcript of hearing in which full horror of night in Steubenville is revealed

I've seen a couple other media outlets state in the past couple of days that they also either have or have seen the transcript from the probable cause hearing held in October. IIRC, CNN said they have/have seen it as well as one of the local to Steubenville media -- maybe Herald Star or WTOV9?

Has anyone seen this transcript available online in its entirety?

 

[Yoda]

Repost I think it is not, Yoda.

Lots of information in it.

One of the things in it that catches my eye is this:



I've seen a couple other media outlets state in the past couple of days that they also either have or have seen the transcript from the probable cause hearing held in October. IIRC, CNN said they have/have seen it as well as one of the local to Steubenville media -- maybe Herald Star or WTOV9?

Has anyone seen this transcript available online in its entirety?

I haven't found it yet, but this unbelievable. Obviously, if there are photos of other girls, this is a norm for some players. And i would think many more players, students, coaches and parents are aware that this goes on- and did nothing, and are still tight lipped. Sick, just sick- and I mean these people not how I feel!

 

[LisaB]

My point about the Iphone...I am not even slightly questioning the agent who testified the data couldnt be retrieved.

IIRC, they rounded up laptops and cell phones. Many people deleted images and videos it appears...but did they back any of it up on their desktops? Zip drives??

I am trying to get a sense of how to permanently delete images-if it requires the person to reset the phone to factory settings, for example, I seriously doubt these kids were willing to lose all of their contacts, apps and other stuff that comes with owning phones like that. So I wonder if they backed up their data first. I would think that it would be much harder to get rid of that info on an actual hard drive of, say, the family computer.

Am I making any sense?

You are making sense. I suppose Apple intended this "feature" to protect the user's personal information from being recovered by someone else (second hand buyer?) and it doesn't seem logical to "non-Apple people" (including me). As nearly as I can figure, it is as if you opened a photo you had taken with a camera with an editing tool (Photoshop, Paint) hit "select all" and deleted the image and then hit save. There is no way to recover the original photo (undo might work if you realize before you close the app) because the space it occupied is now occupied by the "blank" image file. Except in the case of the iPhones, to follow the same analogy, it scribbles a bunch of squiggly lines on the now-blank "image" and saves THAT over the old one.

 

[believe09]

I hope they found the girls already.

 

[believe09]

Now I can see where this case has probably mortally wounded any dedicated LE who was involved in investigating it.

 

[LisaB]

(SBM)

By the time she had reached the second party, a five-minute car-ride away, she was ‘very drunk... she wasn’t fully capable of walking on her own. She was like stumbling as she was walking. T**** and M*’*** helped her.’
She vomited in the street on leaving that party before getting into a car with R*******, M*** and two other guys. The first alleged assault took place in the back of that car.

snip

By the time thefinal house of the night was reached, ‘She wasn’t really saying anything. ‘

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-raped-Ohio-football-stars.html#ixzz2HhVY9mB0

Per my earlier query, How many parties did she attend, and at how many of them was she assaulted? According to the above, she was FIRST assaulted after leaving the
"second party."

Does this mean she was molested only in the car and at the THIRD party? Or that AFTER being molested in the vehicle, she was taken to three ADDITIONAL parties at which she was also raped?