GUILTY OH - Steubenville Rape Case, 11 Aug 2012 #1

[Steely Dan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDAtFYC6ncA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9FvS1oVxCI

 

[Steely Dan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9zajnXmIkU

 

[hollyjokers]

Distrust of Goddard or Anonymous are posted here repeatedly - the poster will only trust local media - but is relieved that a pig like Stranahan shows up on the scene. I don't know what "Derndit" means so think I'll stick with "Oy Vey!"

It just seems that some here are all too willing to worship at the First Church of Alexandra Goddard. When you have to fudge facts on an already terrible situation, you should question the motives behind it. Virtually every grain of truth has been elaborated on to make it more appealing for MSM. Which was the point all along. Or why else would Roseanna Barr go on Nancy Grace and say the girl was likely drugged & transported in a trunk from party to party? Where was that charge made? I don't subscribe to Stranahan's crazy right wing views, but he is the only one posting the official transcript. Why isn't the beloved Localleaks using it? Because it contradicts the story they've gotten everyone lathered up over.

 

[lonetraveler]

This is a must read, IMO. This article is very informative. There are other girls who have been photographed in the same basement.:furious:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nt-16-year-old-raped-Ohio-football-stars.html

 

[movielover]

This post ... I know and come into contact with men who are fathers of the boys my kids go to school with that are not gentlemanly, empathic, or compassionate and these men are raising the boys that will one day try to date my daughters. Ugh! What is this world coming to?

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I do sense a vastly increased sense of bravado, lack of manners, creepy behavior, no limits, on iPhones, and more.

Personally, I would blame Twitter, the iPhones, rap music, and ultimately the parents, more than a few dozen football players.

BTW, there is a new phone app (application) - SnapChat - that allows users to take a picture, send it to a friend, and the picture will automatically expire in 5 minutes or 2 minutes. Humm, who do you think wants this? Teenagers who are into "sexting"! ... but, there are ways to take a picture of the "snapchat", so that one can actually save it.... again, where are the parents? They're paying the $100 a month iPhone bill!!??!!

Lastly, the New York Times was there before Anonymous. Here is their new article on the topic:

Op-Ed Columnist
Is Delhi So Different From Steubenville?By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/opinion/sunday/is-delhi-so-different-from-steubenville.html

 

[movielover]

The OJ Simpson trial proves that the press has zero problems with covering black-on-white crimes. ... But this black-on-white crime became the most publicized crime of all time. ...

Tawana and Duke Rape...TWO cases over a period of 25 years. How does that prove that the media loves to report on white-on-black crimes?

There are 20,000 murders a year. Most of them don't get any coverage. There was no mystery to the Newsome/Christian case. There is no doubt about the guilt of the murderers. ...

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One case establishes a pattern? It seems to me that sometimes (not always), the press will try to avoid cases where the alleged criminal is a "person of color". There are countless cases that prove such. Recently, the top-5 website Drudgereport.com has been accused of being "racist" becaue they link to stories of urban crime.

Don't you find it interesting that the mutual combat Trayvon Martin case (tragic) gets huge national attention, but the brutal, vicious gang attack / torture of Newsome / Christian in Tennessee gets a pass?

Or you can even take a local case in San Francisco referred to with many names - "Epic Beard Man", "Vietnam Vet on an AC Transit Bus in San Francisco", where a 67-year-old Vietnam vet protected himself (self defense) from a 40-year-old ex-convict on a public bus. The Vietnam Vet doesn't use "Politically Correct" language, but he tells the mouthing-off ex con that "I'll go Vietnam on you boy". The old man walks away, sits down, and the ex con persues him, and throws a punch at the senior citizen. The Vietnam Vet then does open up a case of whoop-***, and the youtube video gains popularity. But this more complex confrontation doesn't go national as it doesn't neatly fit the narrative the media seeks. But videos and cartoons branding him as racist become even more popular. I think the same may apply to Steubenville, but the Dr Phil Show may take it up a notch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x7q...v%3D0x7qbjDy-3s&has_verified=1&has_verified=1

 

[i.b.nora]

http://www.morningjournalnews.com/p...5434/Spaite-keeping-his-whistle.html?nav=5006

Spaite keeping his whistle
January 14, 2013
By KATIE SCHWENDEMAN - Staff Writer ([email protected]) , Morning Journal News
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COLUMBIANA - Bob Spaite believes it is time to step down from two positions he has held in the city school district the last several years.

The board of education accepted Spaite's retirement resignation last week and on June 1 he will no longer be teaching social studies or serve as athletic director. He will remain on as head football coach, a position he had held 19 seasons.

I don't get what this man's retirement has to do with the case in Steubenville. Is there any reason not to believe what the article says about his reasons for retiring?

Also, Columbiana spans two counties, neither of which is Jefferson County. It is also at least an hour away from Steubenville and the high school football team does not play in the same conference as Steubenville. Last year I noticed in their schedule that they did play a non-conference game with Steubenville Catholic.

 

[believe09]

Why hasn't this video been studied by experts against possible suspects and/or witness'? MN is the only one they seem to care about.

BTW, he also makes a joke "What if she had a black baby"

BBM-what makes you believe it hasnt been? Clearly it has, imo, since OBI testified at the probable cause hearing and they reviewed the electronic devices, etc, correct?

 

[LinTX]

It just seems that some here are all to willing to worship at the First Church of Alexandra Goddard. When you have to fudge facts on an already terrible situation, you should question the motives behind it. Virtually every grain of truth has been elaborated on to make it more appealing for MSM. Which was the point all along. Or why else would Roseanna Barr go on Nancy Grace and say the girl was likely drugged & transported in a trunk from party to party? Where was that charge made? I don't subscribe to Stranahan's crazy right wing views, but he is the only one posting the official transcript. Why isn't the beloved Localleaks using it? Because it contradicts the story they've gotten everyone lathered up over.

I only worship at one church and it has nothing to do with Goddard, but I'm interested in knowing what information that Goddard herself posted that you consider fudged. The fact that the Cleveland reporter you cited used her information makes me think she thought it was credible. The fact that CS and those behind him tried to shut her up makes me think it was too. As for Stranahan, his views on politics don't concern me in regard to this case, but his rep regarding his views of rape and do. The portions of the transcripts he's chosen to post and my one visit to his twitter feed only strengthens my impression of him. I don't know what Roseanne or Nancy Grace report or can substantiate because I don't follow them, but I also haven't used their information to form my own view. I do acknowledge there are misrepresentations of fact surrounding this, and as usual some of it sounds like the old telephone game - but what I personally believe was an attempted cover up is based on either interviews of local officials, quotes attributed to them in the press or media originally uploaded by those involved and captured by Goddard when the press wasn't touching the subject. There is enough out there that appears credible to believe that something's not right about how this case has been handled. And unless you're going to tell me that all those protestors were bused in, it seems plenty of locals think so too. IMO

 

[AbbeyR]

It just seems that some here are all too willing to worship at the First Church of Alexandra Goddard. When you have to fudge facts on an already terrible situation, you should question the motives behind it. Virtually every grain of truth has been elaborated on to make it more appealing for MSM. Which was the point all along. Or why else would Roseanna Barr go on Nancy Grace and say the girl was likely drugged & transported in a trunk from party to party? Where was that charge made? I don't subscribe to Stranahan's crazy right wing views, but he is the only one posting the official transcript. Why isn't the beloved Localleaks using it? Because it contradicts the story they've gotten everyone lathered up over.

Just curious- what makes you certain of the "truth" in this story? Are you basing it on what has been reported in your local paper? On the testimony of the boys who stood by and watched the assault happen? On the word of their lawyers? Other?

(Not a snarky question, I'm really curious about why you are so confident that others are exaggerating or lying)

 

[movielover]

Let me clarify a point I made yesterday. It has been repeated over and over that an assistant football coach hosted one of these party's; now, it appears that the coach in question acted almost exactly opposite, throwing the kids out of his house. (His 16 yo sister reportedly invited them.) While his response may not have been perfect, it is far different than how it was characterized.

Second, some new people to this story want to lambast the Sheriff, which I get. From what I understand, the case was first handled by the SPD, and then transferred to the Ohio Attorney General. He may have augmented what was going on, but he is not the AG or the SPD.

It has been alleged by some that Jane Hanlin, Jason Hanlin, the Sherriff, and / or the football coach, or various John Does may have interfered with the collection of evidence. Can it be proven? Legally proven?

On top of this, we are faced with the fact that one kid could have been tipped... say a son of an "insider" ... and he / she could have sent a PM or a VOX message or a snapchat to all of their friends, and they could have forwarded it, and all of the electronic evidence could have been deleted in a matter of minutes. Hopefully, there are a few honest kids here. We've already been told they've caught kids in lies. And maybe there will be a few young people in the outer circle who can come forward to shed light on what really happened.

Does anyone know if the full 300-page pre-trial transcript is posted?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

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One case establishes a pattern? It seems to me that sometimes (not always), the press will try to avoid cases where the alleged criminal is a "person of color". There are countless cases that prove such. Recently, the top-5 website Drudgereport.com has been accused of being "racist" becaue they link to stories of urban crime.

Don't you find it interesting that the mutual combat Trayvon Martin case (tragic) gets huge national attention, but the brutal, vicious gang attack / torture of Newsome / Christian in Tennessee gets a pass?

Or you can even take a local case in San Francisco referred to with many names - "Epic Beard Man", "Vietnam Vet on an AC Transit Bus in San Francisco", where a 67-year-old Vietnam vet protected himself (self defense) from a 40-year-old ex-convict on a public bus. The Vietnam Vet doesn't use "Politically Correct" language, but he tells the mouthing-off ex con that "I'll go Vietnam on you boy". The old man walks away, sits down, and the ex con persues him, and throws a punch at the senior citizen. The Vietnam Vet then does open up a case of whoop-***, and the youtube video gains popularity. But this more complex confrontation doesn't go national as it doesn't neatly fit the narrative the media seeks. But videos and cartoons branding him as racist become even more popular. I think the same may apply to Steubenville, but the Dr Phil Show may take it up a notch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x7q...v%3D0x7qbjDy-3s&has_verified=1&has_verified=1

The killers in the Christian/Newsome case were arrested right away. They were charged with murder. There is no doubt about their guilt.

In the Martin/Zimmerman case, Zimmerman was not arrested right away, which caused an outrage. You also have two sides; whether it was self-defense or not. That fuels the case. It gets people talking.

 

[Lois Lane]

Let me clarify a point I made yesterday. It has been repeated over and over that an assistant football coach hosted one of these party's; now, it appears that the coach in question acted almost exactly opposite, throwing the kids out of his house. (His 16 yo sister reportedly invited them.) While his response may not have been perfect, it is far different than how it was characterized.

Second, some new people to this story want to lambast the Sheriff, which I get. From what I understand, the case was first handled by the SPD, and then transferred to the Ohio Attorney General. He may have augmented what was going on, but he is not the AG or the SPD.

It has been alleged by some that Jane Hanlin, Jason Hanlin, the Sherriff, and / or the football coach, or various John Does may have interfered with the collection of evidence. Can it be proven? Legally proven?

On top of this, we are faced with the fact that one kid could have been tipped... say a son of an "insider" ... and he / she could have sent a PM or a VOX message or a snapchat to all of their friends, and they could have forwarded it, and all of the electronic evidence could have been deleted in a matter of minutes. Hopefully, there are a few honest kids here. We've already been told they've caught kids in lies. And maybe there will be a few young people in the outer circle who can come forward to shed light on what really happened.

Does anyone know if the full 300-page pre-trial transcript is posted?

BBM

Not that I've located.

Still looking.

 

[believe09]

While I was looking around to find out what charges an adult who sends a bunch of drunk underage kids off of his property without notifying LE might face, I found this nugget:

Financial Aid Penalties for University Students
Students who attend a public university in Ohio will lose any state-funded financial aid for two years if they have been found guilty of an alcohol-related crime, such as underage drinking.

Read more at Suite101: Ohio DUI Laws and Underage Drinking Laws | Suite101 http://suite101.com/article/ohio-dui-laws-and-underage-drinking-laws-a327162#ixzz2HysSGW8D
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[hollyjokers]

Obviously Goddard shared the video, pictures or tweet she collected, or described them in detail for the PD writer. I doubt the sheriff or police dept did. But for some reason, the journalist opted not to name CS, MN, or any of the others as rapists, or make rage-filled comments about the victim being drugged, locked in a trunk, defecated on, compare CS to Charles Manson. Hey, anything goes if its in the name of justice for the victim, right? Even if victim's attorney - who IS the family's spokesperson, says she is being further traumatized by the relentless, non-stop media coverage. Whatever Lee Stranahan is, I AM NOT PRO-RAPE, nor a rape apologist. I am not a Big Red Football Booster or a Fred Abdalla fan. I don't know Jane Hanlin. I see a whole lot of claims that are "alleged" that when put up alongside the other "allegations" just don't make sense and do not align themselves to the known facts in the case.

Coach B is perfect example of how the truth was disposable. He held the party, he supplied the alcohol, he was the creepy older guy drinking & partying with high school kids. Except he wasn't. He came home to find his younger sister holding a party, and he ordered every one out. It SHOULD have been enough that it was his duty as an adult & person of authority not to put intoxicated kids out on the road that night. But that story just didn't have the sizzle it needed.

 

[i.b.nora]

I am not sure if this is The Plain Dealer article that is being referred to, but I personally think its a very well written honest piece of "reporting".

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/09/rape_charges_divide_football_t.html

"Rape charges against high school players divide football town of Steubenville, Ohio"
By Rachel Dissell, The Plain Dealer

I noticed that the original article was published Sunday, September 02, 2012 at 6:01 AM and updated a week ago, on Monday January 7, 2013. Here is how it fits into the early timeline.

Wednesday Aug. 22, 2012
+ M---- R-------, 16, of Steubenville and T---- M---, 16, of Bloomingdale, who are student-athletes at Steubenville High School, are arrested. Prosecutors charge them with rape, kidnapping and illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material. Suspects are detained at Jefferson County juvenile detention center.

Monday Aug. 27, 2012
+ Jefferson County Prosecutor’s Office files a motion in juvenile court for both suspects to be tried as adults.
+ Jefferson County Prosecuting Attorney Jane Hanlin recuses herself from the
case, citing a conflict of interest. The Ohio Attorney General’s office appoints two attorneys — Marianne Hemmeter and Jennifer Brumby, both from the office’s Crimes Against Children unit — to prosecute the case.
+ Jefferson County Juvenile Judge Samuel Kerr steps aside from the case and asks that a visiting judge be appointed.

Note: This is the day that Dissell begins her article:
"STEUBENVILLE, Ohio -- It’s Monday, and ominous-looking clouds are pushing over Harding Stadium as dozens of football players in practice jerseys prepare to take on Cleveland’s Benedictine Bengals.
But this day two key players are missing from the field." ...

Wednesday Aug. 29, 2012
+ Ohio Supreme Court appoints retired Hamilton County Juvenile Judge Tom Lipps to the case.

Thursday Aug. 30, 2012
+ Judge Lipps sets Sept. 14 for a probable cause hearing. Attorney Walter Madison is represents R------- and Brian K. Duncan and Adam Nemann represent M---.

I am guessing the following (and other content) was added to the article January 7th. Here she 'reports' on Goddard's activities.

"Before the 16-year-old girl’s parents reported the crime to Steubenville police, many of the online posts had been deleted — or so students thought.

Many of the missives are still searchable online and have been preserved on blogs, like Prinniefied.com, run by Alex Goddard, who formerly lived in Steubenville and now is a national social media and web analyst.

Goddard said she felt the chance that others involved might not be charged was too great, so she began her own investigation online.

"I felt the scab needed to be back to expose the truth," she said, adding that during her search she also found students’ Twitter conversations from April indicating members of another of Steubenville’s sports team were being accused of rape. No police report was made.

From the incident involving the football players in August, she posted screen-grabs from the Twitter and YouTube accounts of Steubenville student athletes and some recent graduates, including one at Ohio State University, who Tweeted the night of the party: "Song of the night is Rape Me by Nirvana.""

Anyhow, its a good article and good reporting, in my opinion.

 

[i.b.nora]

Came across these two radio interviews a few days ago and then lost track of them, but here they are:

http://wesa.fm/content/public-outrage

From Pittsburgh's NPR news station 90.5 wesa

First is an interview with Rachel Dissell, reporter from The Cleveland Plain Dealer
The second is with Pitt Law Professor David Harris (very smart guy with no dog in the fight)
The third I have not listened to yet.

 

[i.b.nora]

An Associated Press article from today.

School rape case complicated by many online threats
Posted: Monday, January 14, 2013 8:58 am
By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS, AP Legal Affairs Writer

"STEUBENVILLE, Ohio — Shortly after Police Chief William McCafferty arrived at the office one day this week, he found an email from someone claiming to be a hacker from Ontario with a tip. Moments later, a warning message popped up, and the chief’s computer was disabled. Within hours, the FBI had the email, and McCafferty’s computer technician was trying to transfer files off the hard drive.

It was another reminder for McCafferty of the attention being paid to his department’s investigation of the alleged rape of a 16-year-old girl at a party last summer by two local football players, both of whom have been charged and are going on trial next month. The chief had already been warned to stop using his home computer for fear of hacking."

And

"The FBI is investigating a Facebook death threat against the family of the local sheriff, who took his office’s website down as a precaution. Last week, a threat made on a student’s Facebook page caused a 90-minute lockdown at the high school and led the district to add unarmed guards to its four buildings.

Hackers also apparently attacked the high school sports program’s fan website, RollRedRoll. Statements posted there “were not even intended to reveal truth, but rather simply to get media attention and terrorize the Steubenville community,” the website said after the attacks."

More...

http://www.trivalleycentral.com/cas...cle_4916b1b2-5e63-11e2-9507-001a4bcf887a.html
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I fail to understand how these kinds of attacks can possibly advance the cause of 'Anonymous'. Maybe someone can enlighten me.

 

[LinTX]

Not sure where that timeline came from re: the PD article updates - the earliest archived copy I found was Sept. 2, 4:55 PM, and it contained the Goddard info. In this interview Rachel Dissell talks about Goddard, and how Goddard helped her with the Sept. article:

You've reported before about abused teenagers, and about perpetrators. But this time social media and internet issues permeate the story. How has this affected your reporting?
It's been hard to keep up with, because the social media is so fast-moving. For instance, I had to do a lot of capturing of online material for our story in September.
There is a blogger, Alexandra Goddard, who has really good social media skills - she is a social media analyst in her other job. She also lived in Steubenville. Seeing the report in local papers and learning that it involved football players, she knew that this story was going to be made to go away. So she immediately went online and retrieved all of the digital evidence she could. She gave police some time to work. But once she saw that they were not going after the case in the way she thought they should, she started posting evidence online.
Early when I was looking at the story, someone shot me a note saying I should talk to her. So I did. She has much better computer and social media skills than I do so she was able to show me a couple of tricks to find things, and then to verify who someone was and that it was accurate.

http://dartcenter.org/content/steubenville-rape-case-conversation-with-rachel-dissell#.UPS0LSc0WSo

Obviously Goddard shared the video, pictures or tweet she collected, or described them in detail for the PD writer. I doubt the sheriff or police dept did. But for some reason, the journalist opted not to name CS, MN, or any of the others as rapists, or make rage-filled comments about the victim being drugged, locked in a trunk, defecated on, compare CS to Charles Manson.

Well, if you take a look at her blog you'll find Goddard didn't do any of those things either. She blurred out twitter names originally and did not name anyone involved until the probable cause hearing and the names were published in print.

 

[hollyjokers]

I enjoyed the radio interviews, I.B. Nora, thanks for all the links you are providing, but especially that one. I will call myself a Rachel Dissol fan.

If I have not been clear: I'm very inclined to believe TM & MR are guilty of assaulting this girl when she was beyond the ability to consent. I firmly believe anyone who witnessed, photographed or had 2nd or 3rd hand knowledge but did not take any sort of action is reprehensible. I can see why questions were raised initially with the online evidence looking the way it did and only two people charged. But to then go on a crusade to destroy reputations and careers without all of the facts is just as reprehensible. JMHO

I read the lawsuit complaint filed by CS & his parents against AG & unknown defendants. It included many of her own statements and the comments from others she handpicked to post on her blog.