Identified! OH - Troy, Miami Co., 'Buckskin Girl' WhtFem 133UFOH, 15-25, Apr'81 - Marcia King

[Alleykins]

Interesting insight on the jeans.

 

[rascal32]

Rascal...I also think Wrangler jeans is important. I grew up in that era and most of her clothes would have been worn by us in the northeast (NJ/NY area) except for Wrangler jeans...they were jeans made for "working" and we didn't "work" in the rugged sense LOL...we wore Levis, Lees. Jordache, Calvin Klein, Sassoon, Bonjour, Gitano, Gloria Vanderbilt...etc but I don't believe Wranglers. Of course this is only my experience and does not exclude what other's experiences may have been. But I have always thought Wrangler jeans was indicative of her being from out of the area where Wrangler was more popular. PS I was born in Texas so believe me I mean no disrespect when I said we didn't wear Wrangler's! So, that being said...the link with Texas does look very promising!

And also I will add that when I was a teen, myself and my friends wore wrangler jeans often because that was the style. But we didn't wear woman's, we wore men's because they were cut different. So if she was wearing men's jeans that doesn't mean they weren't hers.


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[Roselvr]

Just coincidence I'm sure, but it appears our girl has the same isotope info as Mount Vernon NY Jane Doe, murdered in 1988. I keep getting terribly confused about which thread I'm in.


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MVJD hasn't had isotopes done. I just posted to have people sign the petition

Rascal...I also think Wrangler jeans is important. I grew up in that era and most of her clothes would have been worn by us in the northeast (NJ/NY area) except for Wrangler jeans...they were jeans made for "working" and we didn't "work" in the rugged sense LOL...we wore Levis, Lees. Jordache, Calvin Klein, Sassoon, Bonjour, Gitano, Gloria Vanderbilt...etc but I don't believe Wranglers. Of course this is only my experience and does not exclude what other's experiences may have been. But I have always thought Wrangler jeans was indicative of her being from out of the area where Wrangler was more popular. PS I was born in Texas so believe me I mean no disrespect when I said we didn't wear Wrangler's! So, that being said...the link with Texas does look very promising!

You're right. Back then I could be wearing any of those, mostly Lee with work boots to pump gas at the family station in North Jersey or one of the girl brands for school. Weren't wranglers sold in Sears back then?

 

[carbuff]

MVJD hasn't had isotopes done. I just posted to have people sign the petition



You're right. Back then I could be wearing any of those, mostly Lee with work boots to pump gas at the family station in North Jersey or one of the girl brands for school. Weren't wranglers sold in Sears back then?

Okay, now I'm really confused. I know I was not in this thread when I was reading isotope information about a victim from the Dallas area who had traveled before her death.


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[Dogface]

Also I believe her jeans were bootcut which would pair nicely with boots.

I have always thought she was wearing boots and that's why she didn't have her shoes on. Boots are the only shoes I will take off in the car. While they are so comfortable when you are working/riding, once you sit down for a long period they start to become uncomfortable quickly because your ankle can't really move. I think getting her info out on the barrel racing circuit would be a good thing. The braids fit in so well to that too.

 

[Alleykins]

I'm thinking possibly hat, too, or helmet, because of the braids.

 

[dotr]

Rascal...I also think Wrangler jeans is important. I grew up in that era and most of her clothes would have been worn by us in the northeast (NJ/NY area) except for Wrangler jeans...they were jeans made for "working" and we didn't "work" in the rugged sense LOL...we wore Levis, Lees. Jordache, Calvin Klein, Sassoon, Bonjour, Gitano, Gloria Vanderbilt...etc but I don't believe Wranglers. Of course this is only my experience and does not exclude what other's experiences may have been. But I have always thought Wrangler jeans was indicative of her being from out of the area where Wrangler was more popular. PS I was born in Texas so believe me I mean no disrespect when I said we didn't wear Wrangler's! So, that being said...the link with Texas does look very promising!

Well that brought me back in time! All the jean brands mentioned are ones that i recall wearing, except for wrangler, which a certain Westerner told me were only worn by people if they were poor or Cowboys!
Had also forgotten about the popular Calvin Klein commercial from that time, perhaps explaining BG's lack of undergarments, ie Brooke Sheilds " What comes between me and my CK's, nothing ?!"
imo, speculation.

 

[annemc2]

I was in the D/FW area and a bit younger than Buckskin Girl at the time. The Wrangler jeans, imo, would also point to someone that used them for utility (as opposed to fashion) or someone that lived outside of the "city." There were practically no Wrangler jeans around and in my relatively snooty elementary school such things were on the kids' radar.

So yeah - gonna agree with kat913 and dotr on this jeans angle - interesting!

 

[carbuff]

I wore Wranglers all the time until I moved east in the early 80's. I would qualify as both poor and cowgirl. And yeah, we all wore men's sizes, or rather the length by waist measurement sizes; I wouldn't want to swear Wrangler even had "women's" sizing until later.


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[Alleykins]

Wranglers were sold by local retailers here, but I wouldn't have been caught dead in them or boot cut jeans in the 80s, even though I was poor (but not a cowgirl). It was straight leg 501 red tag boys' Levis or you were sneered at in junior high. This is nothing against Wrangler, mind you. I had to appease the fashion police. I would have no issues wearing them today.
Here's what I found for Levi's women's jeans history. I don't think they made it to my neck of the woods in the early 80s even though this site said they were introduced around that time, because I was still wearing mens. I think we were a year or two behind the latest fashions before the internet came along.
Levi first started marketing womens jeans in the 70s overseas.
1980s: The Levi's® brand introduces the famous 501® jeans for women in 1981. The brand introduces stonewashing to women's jeans just two years later in 1983. 1990s: The Levi's® brand offers a series of premium denim and continues to make a wide range of jeans – including the 501®, 550®, 512® Slim fits.
2002: The Levi's® brand launched Super Low jeans for women, driving the trend to new heights.
Today: The Levi's® brand remains the top seller of women's jeans worldwide and continues to offer the hottest styles for the fall and holiday season 2009, the Boyfriend and Skinny fits.

At a quick glance, I didn't find anything on Wrangler but I'm thinking it followed a similar time frame.

 

[carbuff]

Most likely they were a year or two behind Levi's...just at a guess. Montana was more than a year or two behind fashion trends and I was out of college by 1981 so much less vulnerable to the fashion police

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Native American events/attractions in Oklahoma, along with a map.

http://www.travelok.com/article_page/top-native-american-attractions-in-oklahoma

Contact info for the federally recognized tribes of Oklahoma:

http://www.native-languages.org/oklahoma.htm

 

[Owutatangledweb]

The Kentucky Derby was set for May 2, 1981.

 

[carbuff]

The Kentucky Derby was set for May 2, 1981.

It's on the first Saturday of May every year. That certainly could be where she was headed.

 

[Alleykins]

I'm not so great with geography, so I looked at the route between Dallas, TX and Troy, OH, just to get a general idea. It's a little over a 1000 miles.
We don't know if she were coming or going, just passing through, from which direction she came, or where she was going, but that's a long way from the isotope area. Based on the pollen analysis, I believe she may have been coming from the southwest, if I read that right as possibly being the most recent result?
I suppose she could have flown to Ohio and been in a rental, depending on her reason for being in there.
I just looked up the U2 tour for 1981. It kind of mirrors her results, except for one portion in the pacific NW.
http://tours.atu2.com/tour/boy-4th-leg-north-america-europe

 

[Alleykins]

Check out these tour pictures from U2 04/01/981, Houston, TX.
You'll have to scroll through the pictures until you come to the U2 section. You'll find a group photo of Bono holding a gallon of milk.
There is a woman with him wearing a "lesboys" t-shirt to his right. I don't know if they're part of the crew or just random strangers.
Tell me what you think of that woman:
http://rockinhouston.com/venues/cardis/63/

 

[Owutatangledweb]

I'm not so great with geography, so I looked at the route between Dallas, TX and Troy, OH, just to get a general idea. It's a little over a 1000 miles.
We don't know if she were coming or going, just passing through, from which direction she came, or where she was going, but that's a long way from the isotope area. Based on the pollen analysis, I believe she may have been coming from the southwest, if I read that right as possibly being the most recent result?
I suppose she could have flown to Ohio and been in a rental, depending on her reason for being in there.
I just looked up the U2 tour for 1981. It kind of mirrors her results, except for one portion in the pacific NW.
http://tours.atu2.com/tour/boy-4th-leg-north-america-europe

Can we go back further in time with this schedule?

 

[Alleykins]

Can we go back further in time with this schedule?

Yes, there is a drop down menu above it where you see the word "or" in a black circle.
They were in Europe at the end of 1980.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Yes, there is a drop down menu above it where you see the word "or" in a black circle.
They were in Europe at the end of 1980.

I think it would be interesting to go back a year, like the isotopes, and map that out. I think the dates/geography may match up like you say but we really don't know the isotope timeline. LE has it though and we could send them a U2 map to see if it matches.

 

[hec60504]

What did the term 'Lesboys' mean? Also, Dire Straits had a song released in 1980 called 'Lesboys'.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lesboy

http://www.gayinthe80s.com/2014/02/1980-music-dire-straits-les-boys/