Identified! OH - Troy, Miami Co., 'Buckskin Girl' WhtFem 133UFOH, 15-25, Apr'81 - Marcia King

[Springrain]

Here's a list of some of the articles:
http://bilbaoya.com/2016/04/30/could-1981-jane-doe-ohio-murder-victim-have-been-from-nj.html
http://www.titusvilleherald.com/news/article_89a24faa-0e89-11e6-ae22-eb38a900b9b2.html
http://wwlp.com/2016/04/29/jane-doe-found-dead-in-1981-may-be-from-massachusetts/
http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/04/jane_doe_victim_in_1981_ohio_h.html
http://www.wbbjtv.com/2016/04/29/evidence-connects-jane-doe-from-35-year-old-case-to-tennessee/
http://fox61.com/2016/04/29/new-tes...io-in-1981-could-be-missing-from-connecticut/
http://fait-religieux.com/2016/04/30/jane-doe-found-dead-in-1981-may-be-from-ma.html
http://wtnh.com/2016/04/29/sheriffs-jane-doe-found-dead-in-ohio-could-be-from-connecticut/
http://www.whas11.com/news/officials-jane-doe-found-in-ohio-could-be-from-kentucky/159994984
http://abc7ny.com/news/pollen-found-on-jane-doe-killed-in-1981-has-new-york-link/1315587/
http://www.fox29.com/news/local-news/134567472-story
http://www.whio.com/news/news/crime-law/pollen-yields-clues-about-jane-doe-of-miami-county/nrC57/
http://wpri.com/2016/04/29/expert-e...at-may-connect-ohio-cold-case-to-new-england/ (well written, with a video)
http://equilibrioinformativo.com/20...ctim-could-have-ties-to-southern-new-england/
https://bangordailynews.com/2016/04...e-victim-may-be-from-maine-investigators-say/
http://dailycall.com/news/10123/new-information-in-35-year-old-murder-case
http://www.wtvq.com/2016/04/29/new-leads-in-35-year-old-missing-person-case-could-point-to-ky/
http://abruzzo.tv/news/2016/04/30/unidentified-ohio-homicide-victim-may-be-from-me/
http://www.wcsh6.com/news/local/tes...rs-ago-could-be-from-the-northeast-/159978276
http://www.12news.com/opinion/talker/pollen-could-be-key-in-solving-35-year-old-cold-case/160491423

 

[Springrain]

Another list. This time, I searched "buckskin girl".

http://www.king5.com/news/nation-now/who-was-buckskin-girl-new-evidence-may-hold-clues/160845833
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...n-girl-new-evidence-may-hold-answer/83736230/
http://www.app.com/story/news/crime...4/29/buckskin-girl-murder-pollen-nj/83707116/
http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/04/recognize_her_jane_doe_in_ohio.html
http://www.wlwt.com/news/unidentifi...y-have-been-from-vermont-or-new-york/39287174 (I was raised in VT; this made my heart stop for a second)
http://www.newser.com/story/224375/pollen-may-help-solve-35-year-old-murder-mystery.html
http://tribumagazine.net/2016/04/pollen-on-jane-does-clothes-could-help-solve-1981-murder/
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/04/29/ohio-jane-doe-new-evidence/
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/1981-Ohio-Murder-Victim-Could-Be-from-NY-NJ-CT-377610731.html

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Hello to all my old-time friends, and to the new folks here too!

BG finally drew me out of my lurkdom...was coming here to post the updates but it seems y'all are well on top of it.

In my own mind, I'm going to operate off of the theory that perhaps she was headed home from a brief stay in the SW/Mexico area. That she was traveling from that direction towards the interior mesic forest region? The fact that she has pollen from that region but not the regions in between here and there noted makes me think that as well.

So I started playing around with Google Maps. Sure enough if you just type in general areas like "Arizona to New Jersey" or "New Mexico to Albany" you get the recommended route going down I-70, very near where she was found. At some points too far north and south that no longer becomes the best route to take. So my hunch is that we are looking at a "box" that roughly includes the Northern halves of VA/WV, the southwest quadrant of Ohio, all of MD, PA, NJ, and the southern half of NY.

I wonder if she had family or friends in the SW. I wonder if she picked up the jacket there, either on this or a prior trip.

 

[Springrain]

I started playing around with Google Maps. Sure enough if you just type in general areas like "Arizona to New Jersey" or "New Mexico to Albany" you get the recommended route going down I-70, very near where she was found. At some points too far north and south that no longer becomes the best route to take. So my hunch is that we are looking at a "box" that roughly includes the Northern halves of VA/WV, the southwest quadrant of Ohio, all of MD, PA, NJ, and the southern half of NY.

Respectfully snipped by me: now this is a great thought!

 

[Springrain]

Irrelevant to current discussion, but I just wanted to drop links to these pictures here before I forget.
I posted close-up pics of her ear and nose from the side-view on Photobucket. I also wanted to post a side-by-side of her nose from the side-view PM and the front PM.

Nose: http://s411.photobucket.com/user/BotoxChild/media/tbuckskin_girl_nose_zps2pijpaif.jpg.html?o=0
Ear: http://s411.photobucket.com/user/BotoxChild/media/tbuckskin_girl_side_zps91cp3hyt.jpg.html?o=1
Nose Comparison: http://s411.photobucket.com/user/BotoxChild/media/nose_zpsxc0b7dnq.jpg.html

 

[Diamond98]

I've thought all along that she had ties to the western states, based on her clothes, and that she was just passing through OH. I'm interested to know how far back isotropes can go, if they can determine what part of the country she grew up if, or if she could have spent her whole life moving from place to place. Now that we know where she'd recently been, I honestly think it's just a matter of time before someone remembers something and provides that missing link that will give her back her name...

 

[FigTree]

In my own mind, I'm going to operate off of the theory that perhaps she was headed home from a brief stay in the SW/Mexico area. That she was traveling from that direction towards the interior mesic forest region? The fact that she has pollen from that region but not the regions in between here and there noted makes me think that as well.

I can also see that being possible - SW/Mexico first then into the Northeast areas - and the dry oak pollen being the predominant residue may indicate where she was before she ended up in Troy.

Another thought was that possibly she travelled by a direct route, and did not get out/stop along the way from whatever mode of transport she was using to get around - maybe a direct journey by car - bus or train or motorbike for some of her journey - it may be possible that the lack of other indicating pollens may have seen her isolated as she travelled - may also explain the soot... even if she had been a pillion passenger on a bike (may explain the braids under a helmet) - or passenger on a train - legally or illegally train hopping.

I haven't looked up the public transport systems available in the area yet.

So I started playing around with Google Maps. Sure enough if you just type in general areas like "Arizona to New Jersey" or "New Mexico to Albany" you get the recommended route going down I-70, very near where she was found. At some points too far north and south that no longer becomes the best route to take. So my hunch is that we are looking at a "box" that roughly includes the Northern halves of VA/WV, the southwest quadrant of Ohio, all of MD, PA, NJ, and the southern half of NY.

I wonder if she had family or friends in the SW. I wonder if she picked up the jacket there, either on this or a prior trip.

I'd be interested to know if that was the case about buying or borrowing the jacket as well - because its a mans jacket Im not sure if it belonged to her - just a thought I hold strongly about the jacket.

US peoples will have to help me out here, as although I have travelled along the highways in the States when I was there, I am still not very knowledgeable of the terms and abbreviations for the mapping of the highways... so this maybe wrong, but

I also looked up Google Maps and wiki Highways - US Route 20

and found that there is a major intersection listed from the Northeast States which connects to Troy / Ohio

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_20#Ohio

I'm not sure if there is any significance in that as there are possibly lots of other highways that do the same connection.

 

[FigTree]

A good article if you can past the advertising - If the survey ad comes up click 'maybe later' to get it to close.

New evidence gleaned from the pollen on the clothing of a homicide victim revives a 35-year-old Ohio cold case.

Read More: http://www.app.com/story/news/crime...4/29/buckskin-girl-murder-pollen-nj/83707116/

With not a little trepidation, the sheriff’s office shipped the Buckskin Girl’s clothing to a top palynologist at a U.S. government lab in Houston, Texas in February.

“You’re crossing your fingers that they arrive there, because that’s all the evidence we have,” Hickey recalled. The results came back about a week later.

The analysis uncovered microscopic clues investigators couldn't possibly have noticed. It suggests the Buckskin Girl was either from the Northeast, or spent a significant amount of time there, perhaps a year or longer. That’s because the pollen on her clothing comes from the northeastern dry-oak forest region, which includes areas in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Rhode Island.

Her clothing also contained high levels of soot from vehicle traffic, nearby industrial activity, or both. That suggests she spent significant time in a Northeastern urban area, or may have been a hitchhiker. The former is considered a strong possibility, Hickey explained, because even her undergarments were covered with soot particles.

The pollen on her outer clothing, including her jeans and leather jacket, tells a different story. It comes from a more arid region in the western U.S. or northern Mexico.

Could she have hitchhiked out west and been on her way back when she was killed? It’s one possibility investigators are considering.

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Just some additional thoughts I'm pondering....

Is it possible that this BSG cause of death could have been linked to (in some way) a motorbike accident?
or that she was travelling by motorbike - (passenger) when an accident occurred?
Could her strangulation have been caused by the strap of a loose or badly fitting helmet?
or if she was wearing the helmet, could a helmet strap be pulled tight enough, or used to cause strangulation in an assault? Even to the point of not being able to defend herself from an attackers hands at her throat area?
Could facial damage have been caused by her coming into contact with an object such as handlebars - or a steel rural fence / posts / grate / a helmet

The accident/assault may not have happened in the place where she was found - but she may have been dumped a way from where an accident or assault occurred.
It may explain the loss of her shoes as well - if they were damaged, or thrown off separately - and her feet had seemed clean enough to have not been walking for miles
And as I mentioned above - her hair in braids may have been due to her wearing a helmet.
Being on a bike may explain the extent of the amount of soot & pollen on her under garments.

If this has already been speculated in another post I'm sorry for the repeat - please put your hand up and take credit - I have read so many threads lately and Im having trouble going back to look without loosing my post and my bearings of where it might be.



This was also an interesting comment in the article... this would certainly raise awareness as to what may have happened to her, or at least they could gather further information on her to possibly identify her.

Still buried in Troy, her body might be exhumed for additional tests, Hickey said.
For now, investigators are hoping that bringing the case to the attention of people in the Northeast will produce fresh leads.
The hope is that someone will be able to identify her.

 

[catherine.]

Hello to all my old-time friends, and to the new folks here too!

BG finally drew me out of my lurkdom...was coming here to post the updates but it seems y'all are well on top of it.

In my own mind, I'm going to operate off of the theory that perhaps she was headed home from a brief stay in the SW/Mexico area. That she was traveling from that direction towards the interior mesic forest region? The fact that she has pollen from that region but not the regions in between here and there noted makes me think that as well.

So I started playing around with Google Maps. Sure enough if you just type in general areas like "Arizona to New Jersey" or "New Mexico to Albany" you get the recommended route going down I-70, very near where she was found. At some points too far north and south that no longer becomes the best route to take. So my hunch is that we are looking at a "box" that roughly includes the Northern halves of VA/WV, the southwest quadrant of Ohio, all of MD, PA, NJ, and the southern half of NY.

I wonder if she had family or friends in the SW. I wonder if she picked up the jacket there, either on this or a prior trip.

Following the theory of domestic violence maybe she was on her honeymoon? From the northeast but they decided to go to the southwest for a honeymoon or travel the country for one?



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[carbuff]

I don't see any reason to think that isn't her own jacket. It's a unisex style, so if you're a woman, you have to get a size that's comfortable through the bust. If you're well-endowed or have narrow shoulders, that can make it seem a bit large in other places. Since it pulls on over the head, and she was wearing it as an outer garment, that also makes it likely she'd want a larger size. And leather doesn't have much stretch.




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[FigTree]

I don't see any reason to think that isn't her own jacket. It's a unisex style, so if you're a woman, you have to get a size that's comfortable through the bust. If you're well-endowed or have narrow shoulders, that can make it seem a bit large in other places. Since it pulls on over the head, and she was wearing it as an outer garment, that also makes it likely she'd want a larger size. And leather doesn't have much stretch.




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I think I got that impression from the identical jacket that was advertised on Etsy - it was a man's jacket - the sizing stated that - but I agree with you - The style and cut is unisex, and if I had seen that jacket I would have bought it myself regardless if it was supposed to be for a guy.
Though in the case of trying to identify BSG, in relation to the jacket, I think it is one of many possibilities (that it may have not been her jacket/was her jacket). It helps me consider that maybe people may recognise BSG more-so by the jumper she was wearing underneath if the jacket had been new, or if she had not worn it much, or if it belonged to someone else that they too would be recognisable or memorable and be able to add a lead to this case.

 

[carbuff]

I think I got that impression from the identical jacket that was advertised on Etsy - it was a man's jacket - the sizing stated that - but I agree with you - The style and cut is unisex, and if I had seen that jacket I would have bought it myself regardless if it was supposed to be for a guy.
Though in the case of trying to identify BSG, in relation to the jacket, I think it is one of many possibilities (that it may have not been her jacket/was her jacket). It helps me consider that maybe people may recognise BSG more-so by the jumper she was wearing underneath if the jacket had been new, or if she had not worn it much, or if it belonged to someone else that they too would be recognisable or memorable and be able to add a lead to this case.

Yes, it's always a good idea to consider as many possibilities as we can. Definitely.

 

[Springrain]

Following the theory of domestic violence maybe she was on her honeymoon? From the northeast but they decided to go to the southwest for a honeymoon or travel the country for one?



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This is a genius idea! They go to CA or Mexico for their honeymoon, they drive halfway back to their home in the Northeast, and he kills her.

 

[dotr]

After Reet Jurvetson was finally identified, it truly shows that it can and does happen!
Like everyone here, i am hoping, and think it would be amazing, if this new media attention helps Buckskin get her name back.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...FCA-20-23-Manson-Victim-Nov-69-Reet-Jurvetson

http://www.app.com/story/news/crime...4/29/buckskin-girl-murder-pollen-nj/83707116/

Murphy, of the national center, said seeing the Buckskin Girl's reconstructed image might very well trigger a memory.

"Thirty-five years is a long time, but yes, people do come forward. We do see identifications in cases that are older, sometimes," he said. "You might have 100,000 people look at it, but it only takes one to recognize her."

Until then, he said, "We never stop looking, we never give up hope."

Anyone who recognizes or has any information in regards to her identity can contact Hickey at 937-440-3965 ext. 6629 or the Miami County Communication Center at 937-440-9911.

Meanwhile, can anyone recall offhand if this mp was a rule out for Buckskin?

Michelle Meredith Mulcahy
Missing since July 8, 1979 from Fort Lauderdale, Broward County, Florida.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/366dffl.html

 

[Springrain]

Meanwhile, can anyone recall offhand if this mp was a rule out for Buckskin?

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/366dffl.html

Yes, she was ruled out

 

[Fugitive Minister]

I do not have direct contact with the LE but I passed the Becky info on to my friend that does. I thought I read that Rubie or someone else later found that the person she thought it was was alive though. I read through the first 70+ pages of this thread in one sitting though so I could possibly be mixing things up.

I was thrilled to see all the coverage our girl has gotten, but I wasn't thrilled with the test results. Pollen from northern Mexico to New England? Good grief! It's done nothing to quell my fear that she isn't in a missing person data base anywhere.

As far as hiking or working outdoors, remember that she was found literally yards from Brukner Nature Center.

So many questions...

 

[Springrain]

I do not have direct contact with the LE but I passed the Becky info on to my friend that does. I thought I read that Rubie or someone else later found that the person she thought it was was alive though. I read through the first 70+ pages of this thread in one sitting though so I could possibly be mixing things up.

I was thrilled to see all the coverage our girl has gotten, but I wasn't thrilled with the test results. Pollen from northern Mexico to New England? Good grief! It's done nothing to quell my fear that she isn't in a missing person data base anywhere.

As far as hiking or working outdoors, remember that she was found literally yards from Brukner Nature Center.

So many questions...

I think you may be referring to Tillicum's friend. Carl found her friend was alive through online searching. Here's the conversation; starts at Post #665.

I have a question. I've been haunted by the pictures of Buckskin Girl since I first saw them. She looks identical to a friend I had when I lived about 20 miles from Troy. I had only known her a short time and this was during the fall of 1974. She was 16 at the time and had been moved from foster home to foster home. She met a boy and married him two weeks later and no one heard from her or him again. At the time neither had a job and I have no idea where they went or if she's still alive. She was beautiful, 5'5, 130 lb., chestnut hair, brown eyes, freckles and perfect teeth. She and I wore our hair in braids all the time. Should I try to contact them when as far as I know she hasn't been reported missing?

Classmates doesn't have the yearbook for the year that she attended.

But I found her marriage record from 30-Dec-1974.

And I think I found a current record on her in Peoplefinders. A woman with the same first name and middle initial, and the surname of her 1974 husband, and a DOB in 1957 (Same year as Tillicum's friend) lives in Springfield Ohio (where Tillicum last saw her friend). There are two other names of people in their 30's (probably her children) also associated with that name.

That isn't a positive rule-out. But it looks to me to be the same person, and if so, Tillicum's friend would not be BG.

Let me know if it's not Tillicum's friend, though

 

[Springrain]

"I'm amazed they have never identified her. I remember when they found her. I was 22 or so and, after a few days, drove out to Greenlee Rd where they found her. I still remember the chills I got that night driving thru there. It was all very creepy."

This was from a comment on one of the articles I linked above. I would be very curious to drive to Greenlee shortly after they found her body. Of course, I couldn't, seeing as I was not born yet lol. I imagine it must have had a disturbing vibe to it right then, knowing all of what happened.

A thought: I discussed this case with an acquaintance of mine. He suggested that, perhaps she was in a car with a man by Greenlee Road, and they got into a fight. She felt endangered, and she managed to get out of the car. He angrily chased her; she kicked off her shoes to go faster (if she was wearing sandals, moccasins or heels, she might have needed to toss them off to be able to move more quickly) and he caught up with her and killed her. That would account for lack of shoes (although many things could). This prompted him to ask: did police conduct a search of surrounding roads, to see if any women's shoes were found? (I'm guessing probably no, because it seems like that would be mentioned, but it seems possible that a person saw a pair of women's shoes around the time of the murder. If that makes sense)

 

[Roselvr]

I do not have direct contact with the LE but I passed the Becky info on to my friend that does. I thought I read that Rubie or someone else later found that the person she thought it was was alive though. I read through the first 70+ pages of this thread in one sitting though so I could possibly be mixing things up.

I was thrilled to see all the coverage our girl has gotten, but I wasn't thrilled with the test results. Pollen from northern Mexico to New England? Good grief! It's done nothing to quell my fear that she isn't in a missing person data base anywhere.

As far as hiking or working outdoors, remember that she was found literally yards from Brukner Nature Center.

So many questions...

I sent you a PM with all of the posts, she never came back. She made 3 posts (one in Cali's thread), said it was too hard to come here with an iphone.

"I'm amazed they have never identified her. I remember when they found her. I was 22 or so and, after a few days, drove out to Greenlee Rd where they found her. I still remember the chills I got that night driving thru there. It was all very creepy."

This was from a comment on one of the articles I linked above. I would be very curious to drive to Greenlee shortly after they found her body. Of course, I couldn't, seeing as I was not born yet lol. I imagine it must have had a disturbing vibe to it right then, knowing all of what happened.

A thought: I discussed this case with an acquaintance of mine. He suggested that, perhaps she was in a car with a man by Greenlee Road, and they got into a fight. She felt endangered, and she managed to get out of the car. He angrily chased her; she kicked off her shoes to go faster (if she was wearing sandals, moccasins or heels, she might have needed to toss them off to be able to move more quickly) and he caught up with her and killed her. That would account for lack of shoes (although many things could). This prompted him to ask: did police conduct a search of surrounding roads, to see if any women's shoes were found? (I'm guessing probably no, because it seems like that would be mentioned, but it seems possible that a person saw a pair of women's shoes around the time of the murder. If that makes sense)

LE felt she was moved and dumped there. Add the condition of her feet to the question list.

 

[Alleykins]

If perhaps they had just come from the South West, she may have been wearing flip flops.