Identified! OH - Troy, Miami Co., 'Buckskin Girl' WhtFem 133UFOH, 15-25, Apr'81 - Marcia King

[carbuff]

That's the third time this week I've read an article where either the reporter or the LE spokesperson seems to think isotopes have something to do with DNA.

 

[Springrain]

That's the third time this week I've read an article where either the reporter or the LE spokesperson seems to think isotopes have something to do with DNA.

That's just sad.

 

[Alleykins]

If there's that much confusion between DNA analysis and isotope testing, maybe someone should tell them not to waste their time with isotope testing on hair and nails. It seems to me the pollen analysis would suffice on that score, and they should focus on teeth and bones. Or, maybe they are and the folks speaking for them or reporting about it don't have a clue. To them, I would say, Google is your friend. ; )

 

[Springrain]

If there's that much confusion between DNA analysis and isotope testing, maybe someone should tell them not to waste their time with isotope testing on hair and nails. It seems to me the pollen analysis would suffice on that score, and they should focus on teeth and bones. Or, maybe they are and the folks speaking for them or reporting about it don't have a clue. To them, I would say, Google is your friend. ; )

I bet they just don't have the funds for the teeth and bone testing. Isotopes for nail and hair are better than no testing; they might be able to show different results than the pollen testing, but I wouldn't think the hair and nails would trace back that far. Anyone with some knowledge want to enlighten me?

 

[carbuff]

Hair as long as hers ought to go back 2-3 years, depending on how fast it grew. Nails are usually around 6 months for most people.


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[Alleykins]

That link I posted explains the difference between bone, hair, nail and tooth isotopes and how far reaching they are.

 

[Springrain]

I wonder if she could've been into the whole folk music scene. Check out the buckskin worn by Neil Young in this video! The recording predates BG's by 14 years, though. But, I mean, I'm a teenage girl and I'm a huge Young fan, though that's not the norm It just really makes me wonder if she might have been passing through the Southwest for some folk concerts, explaining the attire, and the pollen. Maybe she was a groupie who traveled by hitchhiking to get home from a concert(s), and a cruel twist of fate placed her on a lonely road in rural Ohio.

That link I posted explains the difference between bone, hair, nail and tooth isotopes and how far reaching they are.

:facepalm: ...and I need to pay more attention. Sorry! It's worth a shot anyway even though the other types would be preferable.

 

[carbuff]

That's showing 1979-80; it several months before she went missing?

 

[Roselvr]

I wonder if she could've been into the whole folk music scene. Check out the buckskin worn by Neil Young in this video! The recording predates BG's by 14 years, though. But, I mean, I'm a teenage girl and I'm a huge Young fan, though that's not the norm It just really makes me wonder if she might have been passing through the Southwest for some folk concerts, explaining the attire, and the pollen. Maybe she was a groupie who traveled by hitchhiking to get home from a concert(s), and a cruel twist of fate placed her on a lonely road in rural Ohio.



:facepalm: ...and I need to pay more attention. Sorry! It's worth a shot anyway even though the other types would be preferable.

My daughter is 23, she's into the typical rap type music today. I hate it. She used to listen to what I call regular music (Ashley Simpson, Pink, Avryl) but at some point she started hanging with different people. What she listens to is so far removed from what Deborah Harry/ Blondie started in the late 70's. My son (born 85) is more like me, into various forms of rock.

Leather and fringe have always been in style in some form.

 

[Alleykins]

That's showing 1979-80; it several months before she went missing?

Was this in response to my post about the Eagles tour schedule? Yeah, it was off, so I removed it. I keep thinking BG went missing in 1980.

 

[carbuff]

Was this in response to my post about the Eagles tour schedule? Yeah, it was off, so I removed it. I keep thinking BG went missing in 1980.

Yes. I thought maybe I was misreading something. [emoji4]


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[Alleykins]

Yes. I thought maybe I was misreading something. [emoji4]
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Nope it was all me

 

[Springrain]

I realized Buckskin Girl's thread is the #1 most viewed thread in the Unidentified section (not including the sub-forums). As of right now, her thread has a total of 217,698 views! It also is #3 in terms of replies, with 1,522. That surprised me, and I'm delighted that so many people have at least seen the thread. I'm not trying to obsess over this, I just thought it was interesting knowledge. Will a part 2 of her thread have to be made at a certain point?

On another note: I'm trying to find newspaper clippings about her online. So far, I've only found 4, and 2 of them are cited on Wikipedia anyway. Is there an efficient way to find newspaper articles from 1981 online? I'm sure there is, I just don't know about it.

 

[Alleykins]

I use Google Newspaper for some of my searches.

 

[Fugitive Minister]

If the locals are doing DNA tests they are using original samples because I know for a fact they have not exhumed her. If they do I will let you all know.

I checked the Troy Daily News online and their archive only goes back to 2014. That paper has changed hands countless times and is perpetually on the verge of folding, however.

 

[Roselvr]

I realized Buckskin Girl's thread is the #1 most viewed thread in the Unidentified section (not including the sub-forums). As of right now, her thread has a total of 217,698 views! It also is #3 in terms of replies, with 1,522. That surprised me, and I'm delighted that so many people have at least seen the thread. I'm not trying to obsess over this, I just thought it was interesting knowledge. Will a part 2 of her thread have to be made at a certain point?

On another note: I'm trying to find newspaper clippings about her online. So far, I've only found 4, and 2 of them are cited on Wikipedia anyway. Is there an efficient way to find newspaper articles from 1981 online? I'm sure there is, I just don't know about it.

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I hope they don't have to open a thread #2, just makes everything harder to go back to other pages/ posts.

If the locals are doing DNA tests they are using original samples because I know for a fact they have not exhumed her. If they do I will let you all know.

I checked the Troy Daily News online and their archive only goes back to 2014. That paper has changed hands countless times and is perpetually on the verge of folding, however.

I wondered how they were doing isotope testing and if she had been exhumed. Possible they have her teeth and hair.

 

[nerosleuth]

The buckskin jacket that BG wore has me wondering if BG was interested in arts and crafts or if she had been at a recent arts and crafts fair or festival somewhere.

At the time of BG’s murder, were there any local arts and crafts stores or any arts and crafts fairs or festivals held nearby that attracted out of town folks?

 

[Roselvr]

New article. Hard to pick what 10% to copy.

Slain Jane Doe's curious case in Ohio still puzzles after 35 years - By Chris Togneri - Saturday, June 4, 2016, 9:00 p.m.

... There were plenty of tips in 1981, said Hickey, who hadn't been born yet, but “none panned out.”

“Some locals said they saw her at a bar, but those leads didn't go anywhere.”

... This year, Hickey called Schweitzer at the missing children center's headquarters in Virginia. She suggested Hickey send the clothes — sealed all these years in a box in the sheriff's office property room — to the Customs and Border Protection Southwest Regional Science Center in Houston, to test pollen particles. They use the technology on drug cases to trace smuggled drugs, Schweitzer said. Why not try it on Jane Doe, too?

The results were startlingly specific: Pollen on Jane Doe's clothes suggests she was likely from or spent at least a year in the Northeast, specifically a dry-oak forest region that includes Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts and Rhode Island. Further samples, from the buckskin jacket, showed that she had recently visited a more arid region, likely in the West or northern Mexico. Soot on her clothes suggested she was often in larger cities.

“It was amazing,” Hickey said. “We had no idea they could even do that.”

Hickey has since sent hair samples to a lab in Utah hoping for more insight, including the origins of the water she drank in her final weeks. If additional DNA or dental testing is required, the sheriff's office might exhume Jane Doe's body.

 

[Springrain]

New article. Hard to pick what 10% to copy.

Slain Jane Doe's curious case in Ohio still puzzles after 35 years - By Chris Togneri - Saturday, June 4, 2016, 9:00 p.m.

Just saw this! It didn't show up in my Google until this morning for whatever reason even though it was published yesterday. Love this article, it's a must-read! Shared it to BG's FB page.

Lacerated liver? Some locals thought they saw her in a bar? Her feet were clean? (I've been wondering about that one for a year--nice to know the answer!) Love that the new info is coming out. It's very exciting.

I had no idea where the lab was where they sent her hair. Nice to know it's in Utah. I hope they do exhume her body.

It says there are about 20 photos, meaning 20 different post-mortem pictures, right?

 

[dotr]

New article. Hard to pick what 10% to copy.

Slain Jane Doe's curious case in Ohio still puzzles after 35 years - By Chris Togneri - Saturday, June 4, 2016, 9:00 p.m.

Wow, nice informative article!
From the link.
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Her shoes, socks and underwear were missing

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She had been strangled. The coroner also found blunt force trauma to her forehead and a lacerated liver, possibly the result of a blow. Authorities estimated her age at 18 to 24, though Miami County Sheriff's Detective Steve Hickey thinks she looks closer to 15.

....... her bare feet were clean, showing no indication of walking on dirt,

Her pigtails are disheveled. Her lips are parted in a slight grimace.

“I'd never seen my Jane Doe with her eyes open,” Hickey said. “It was like she was finally looking at me. ‘Here I am. Please solve this case for me.' ”