Identified! OH - Troy, Miami Co., 'Buckskin Girl' WhtFem 133UFOH, 15-25, Apr'81 - Marcia King

[FigTree]

I don't understand why people think she is DV victim. Please elaborate so I can understand.

Maybe others can answer that, though I don't think its out of the range of possibility, but its not my conclusion. I don't think she is a domestic violence case.
Just my humble opinion

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Sallie Reed 1976 LouisianaView attachment 110008View attachment 110009

Missing Since: February 19, 1976 from Thibodaux, Lafourche County, Louisiana
Classification: Missing
Date Of Birth: October 19, 1953
Age: 22
Height: 5'7"
Weight: 110 lbs.
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Brown
Race: White
Gender: Female
Case Number: G115096
http://www.nampn.org/cases/reed_sallie.html

Just going by picture, this girl looks more like Arroyo Jane Doe.

 

[carbuff]

I don't understand why people think she is DV victim. Please elaborate so I can understand.

For me, it's partly because she's not wearing shoes, as might be the case if she had been murdered at home, and partly because there are a lot more domestic violence murders than there are serial killer truckers. So DV seems more likely. I'm not wedded to the idea, however.

 

[Roselvr]

I don't understand why people think she is DV victim. Please elaborate so I can understand.

Men flip out for the smallest reasons. I had one guy flip out on me when I walked in his apartment, found he and my best friend getting dressed. In the end he punched me in my left ear, bending 4 14k gold diamond studs, broke my nose, a back left rib and twisted my left little finger back. I was knocked out cold; came to when he was pouring a pitcher of water in my face.

BG was not raped but she was beaten up and strangled like a jealous BF got pissed about something. Her shoes being off mean either she was at his place, comfortable or he took them because they would give her away more

I posted an article about women that get strangled being the victims of DV somewhere in this thread

No Visible Bruises: Domestic Violence and Traumatic Brain Injury - By Rachel Louise Snyder - December 30, 2015

Fifty per cent of domestic-violence victims are strangled at some point in the course of their relationship—often repeatedly, over years—and the overwhelming majority of strangulation perpetrators are men.....

...What Strack and the domestic-violence community understand today is that most strangulation injuries are internal, and that the very act of strangulation turns out to be the penultimate abuse by a perpetrator before a homicide. “Statistically, we know now that once the hands are on the neck the very next step is homicide,” Sylvia Vella, a clinician and a detective in the domestic-violence unit at the San Diego Police Department, says. “They don’t go backwards.”

 

[WyomingSkyAngel]

Men flip out for the smallest reasons. I had one guy flip out on me when I walked in his apartment, found he and my best friend getting dressed. In the end he punched me in my left ear, bending 4 14k gold diamond studs, broke my nose, a back left rib and twisted my left little finger back. I was knocked out cold; came to when he was pouring a pitcher of water in my face.

BG was not raped but she was beaten up and strangled like a jealous BF got pissed about something. Her shoes being off mean either she was at his place, comfortable or he took them because they would give her away more

I posted an article about women that get strangled being the victims of DV somewhere in this thread

No Visible Bruises: Domestic Violence and Traumatic Brain Injury - By Rachel Louise Snyder - December 30, 2015

I'm so sorry about what happened to you. & Yes I've always thought BG had some sort of relationship with her killer & the violence of her death had something to do with that, plus any other weird reason that would have put her in Ohio.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Look at the one in Australia called Somerton man that people are trying to get exhumed to run tests on but the government won't allow it because they do not think it's important to find out his name.

As I understand it, Australian law does not permit the exhuming of remains except for certain specific purposes. One of those is to assist in solving a murder. However it's not clear that Somerton Man was the victim of a crime anyway.

From memory, no evidence of any identifiable poison was found from the toxicology tests on his blood and tissue, nor was there any evidence of physical trauma found at autopsy.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I don't think America just cares more, its because you are a bigger country that is separated into different states. Therefore, its easier for a Doe's relatives to be unaware that they have been found deceased and therefore you have more Does. Thats all it is.

I'd say that the extreme fragmentation of US LE plays a part as well. I get the impression that in many areas the different parts of LE don't work effectively together, whether by accident or policy.

 

[Armchair-reader]

I don't understand why people think she is DV victim. Please elaborate so I can understand.

Statistically a woman is more likely to be killed by her partner than anyone else. I think that's why the domestic violence theory is being looked at. With the ispotope test results I lean more towards she was traveling on her own. There is no indication she is from Ohio. But I think she was killed by someone living in or near Ohio or Indiana and that person is probably deceased. She was not sexually assaulted but I think that's what her killer's agenda was. She either kicked his but lost the fight and he killed her or he was interrupted by something that stopped the sexual assaults. Her shoes left behind in his vehicle. JMO though.

 

[WyomingSkyAngel]

If we crib together what we know about BG's travel info, could it be possible she was headed towards Gary, Indiana or Chicago? I need to pull up a map to look but if she was a full time drug courier it's totally possible she was zigzagging the Midwest delivering parcels from the Southwest.
(For what it's worth I've met older men who were drug couriers between the 1960s & 80s....Back then long trips were common to deliver parcels & surveillance wasn't what it is now.)

 

[AggieLou]

Went back over autopsy report. It said isotope findings say she is most likely from the northeast or Canada. Isotope exams of bone and teeth can go back pretty far with teeth being able to look further back as enamel doesn't remodel as bone does. Pollen testing on her clothing is what tells of more recent locations she'd been to. What if she is from Canada originally?
Also it is still puzzling no one appears to have listed her as missing. She doesn't fit typical runaways or throwaway kids as it's stated she was in remarkably good physical condition, excellent hygiene and has had good dental care and maintenance. A thought came to mind maybe she was an only child, possibly deceased parents, never married. What do you all make of all the scars listed on someone appearing to have been pretty well taken care of over the years of her short life? I drew a basic human outline and marked locations. One under chin, 2 significant on left wrist, small one on left triceps, one back of right hand, one on right ankle and one top right foot. Odd to have both hands/wrist areas and a foot scarred. Seems like a lot for one appearing to be well taken care of physically in her short life.

 

[dotr]

Went back over autopsy report. It said isotope findings say she is most likely from the northeast or Canada. Isotope exams of bone and teeth can go back pretty far with teeth being able to look further back as enamel doesn't remodel as bone does. Pollen testing on her clothing is what tells of more recent locations she'd been to. What if she is from Canada originally?
Also it is still puzzling no one appears to have listed her as missing. She doesn't fit typical runaways or throwaway kids as it's stated she was in remarkably good physical condition, excellent hygiene and has had good dental care and maintenance. A thought came to mind maybe she was an only child, possibly deceased parents, never married. What do you all make of all the scars listed on someone appearing to have been pretty well taken care of over the years of her short life? I drew a basic human outline and marked locations. One under chin, 2 significant on left wrist, small one on left triceps, one back of right hand, one on right ankle and one top right foot. Odd to have both hands/wrist areas and a foot scarred. Seems like a lot for one appearing to be well taken care of physically in her short life.

Rbbm.
Considering Buckskin's appears to have been very healthy in life, wondering if she may have received those scars from ice/figure skating mishaps?
http://www.sportsmedtoday.com/laceration-va-90.htm

 

[Alleykins]

Rbbm.
Considering Buckskin's appears to have been very healthy in life, wondering if she may have received those scars from ice/figure skating mishaps?
http://www.sportsmedtoday.com/laceration-va-90.htm

Dot, just wanted to say thank you for insight.

 

[Roselvr]

Went back over autopsy report. It said isotope findings say she is most likely from the northeast or Canada. Isotope exams of bone and teeth can go back pretty far with teeth being able to look further back as enamel doesn't remodel as bone does. Pollen testing on her clothing is what tells of more recent locations she'd been to. What if she is from Canada originally?
Also it is still puzzling no one appears to have listed her as missing. She doesn't fit typical runaways or throwaway kids as it's stated she was in remarkably good physical condition, excellent hygiene and has had good dental care and maintenance. A thought came to mind maybe she was an only child, possibly deceased parents, never married. What do you all make of all the scars listed on someone appearing to have been pretty well taken care of over the years of her short life? I drew a basic human outline and marked locations. One under chin, 2 significant on left wrist, small one on left triceps, one back of right hand, one on right ankle and one top right foot. Odd to have both hands/wrist areas and a foot scarred. Seems like a lot for one appearing to be well taken care of physically in her short life.

I don't know where Doe net got northeast or Canada. As far as I know they have not done isotopes on her teeth or bone yet

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/133ufoh.html

 

[Alleykins]

I wonder if there is some confusion between her isotope results and her pollen results? I don't remember Canada being part of either, so I will have to go back and look.

 

[AggieLou]

I'm not sure what the isotope was done on because of the wording. Maybe it was hair which depends on lenghth and how long it's been growing.

 

[AggieLou]

This link states isotope findings.

www.doenetwork.org/cases/133ufoh.html

The scars being related to sports makes a lot of sense. Especially winter sports like ice skating or hockey or skiing or snow boarding. For example the chin scar and front incisor repair could be one fall on ice. Her complexion described as ruddy indicating lot of time spent outdoors and her very good physical condition. I'm pretty sure she wasn't from anywhere close to where she was found. Dayton OH media serves a large portion of SW Ohio and even eastern Indiana like Richmond. As far north as Lima OH even .back in that day of broadcast TV was served by Dayton CBS affiliate WHIO. Probably wasn't in the area for any length of time as she would have likely been noticed and especially the way she was dressed.

 

[Alleykins]

Unless DN knows something we don't, I don't think it's correct in stating:

The isotope testing indicated she likely originated from the Northeastern part of the United States or Canada.

That information can only come from testing teeth and bone, however, last we knew, investigators only tested her hair and nails, which can only go back so far, but not back to the point of origin for adult. Am I wrong about that?

 

[dotr]

The isotopes seem to indicate only the last year of BS's life, according to the water and food she consumed. imo.
https://www.ksl.com/?sid=40545046&n...m-makes-breakthrough-in-1981-ohio-murder-case

The water that a person drinks delivers those isotopes to growing tissues in the body. Every day fingernails and hair are growing, they're preserving a record of the isotopic signature in the water that person drinks.

"You're a giant tape recorder," Chesson said. "You're walking around, and all of your tissues in your body are recording what you ate and drank."
Years ago, IsoForensics staffers traveling throughout the country collected samples of drinking water from hundreds of locations. After analyzing the isotopes of oxygen and other elements, the company developed maps that show distinctive regional patterns of isotope ratios

The new results in Utah make a positive outcome in Ohio much more likely. The strands of hair preserved in Ohio since 1981 are long enough that they preserved a year's worth of growth, providing oxygen isotope values for the last 12 months of Jane Doe's life.


[h=1]Into Texas[/h] One region stands out like a bull's-eye on the map. It's a rough circle encompassing a region that runs from the Dallas-Ft. Worth area of north Texas into southern Oklahoma.

"That's the only region in the United States that tap water corresponds to those isotope values in her hair," Tipple said.

Although the data suggests Jane Doe was traveling most of her last year, she was in the north Texas region twice, staying there for at least two months each time. That leads to the possibility she once lived in that region or had close ties there.

It's possible the first of her stays in that region was much longer than two months. Evidence of that visit was detected in isotopes at the very end of the strands of her hair, at the point where the hair was trimmed off decades ago. It's possible she'd been living in that area for many months, perhaps years, but the evidence was lost in Jane Doe's last haircut.

The new evidence supports an earlier finding by a different laboratory that studied pollen in the victim's clothing. In the buckskin coat, the analysis found pollen that is characteristic of plants in northern Mexico and the southwestern United States. That area includes north Texas.

 

[dotr]

This link states isotope findings.

www.doenetwork.org/cases/133ufoh.html

The scars being related to sports makes a lot of sense. Especially winter sports like ice skating or hockey or skiing or snow boarding. For example the chin scar and front incisor repair could be one fall on ice. Her complexion described as ruddy indicating lot of time spent outdoors and her very good physical condition. I'm pretty sure she wasn't from anywhere close to where she was found. Dayton OH media serves a large portion of SW Ohio and even eastern Indiana like Richmond. As far north as Lima OH even .back in that day of broadcast TV was served by Dayton CBS affiliate WHIO. Probably wasn't in the area for any length of time as she would have likely been noticed and especially the way she was dressed.

In keeping with the skating theme and with the isotope analysis suggesting Buck Doe may have spent time in Dallas-Fort Worth, noting this..
imo, speculation.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/news/2010/02/25/20100224-Olympic-dreams-are-on-ice-for-7129

Dallas-Fort Worth, already an Olympic gymnastics epicenter, is home to a growing number of ice skaters with Olympic ambitions

 

[cvillemegan]

Rbbm.
Considering Buckskin's appears to have been very healthy in life, wondering if she may have received those scars from ice/figure skating mishaps?
http://www.sportsmedtoday.com/laceration-va-90.htm

It's funny you should mention that. I figure skate, and I have two related scars. One from my forehead hitting the ice and causing a severe laceration, another from a collision with another skater where her blade went into my leg. Falling and hitting your chin on the ice is also incredibly common. However, if she skated or played hockey or another sport, that again suggests she had a family and a typical middle class childhood and begs the question of why she wasn't reported missing.

Could the wrist scars have been suicide attempts?


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