GUILTY OH - Zachary Dunn for kidnap, rape of 6yo girl, Jackson, 2013

[J1981]

I think it's important to remember that this mother has something like 60 arrests.
This child is only 6 years old. I don't know how often she has even been around for her.
It is possible the judge has evidence which shows it wouldn't help this child to see her mother.
If my mother had been arrested that many times I don't think she would be a stable person in my life. :twocents:

Ok- you changed my mind. My previous post indicated I was sad that her mom couldn't be there. What I really feel now is that I wish she had a mom or close female relative that was a strong positive and loving influence that could be there. Unfortunately it doesn't sound like that's the case.

 

[MsFacetious]

The two sides of this argument are actually not incompatible, as long as you separate the long-term welfare of the child from the short-term. In the long-term, it may very well be that the parents are unfit and the child is better off in foster care or wherever (I don't pretend to know enough about this family specfiically to make that call), but in the short-term while all that gets sorted out through CPS and the court system, it may be beneficial for the child to see her parents and let them give her a hug and tell her she is alright and nothing bad is going to happen any more.

Yes, it would be beneficial... IF her parents did that to begin with.
I have not "wanted" my mother in any situation, ever that I recall.
First child? I didn't want my mother there (she was, but I didn't "need" her there.)
Surgery? No desire for my mother to be there.

When you don't grow up with a loving mother, it doesn't help to have her show up once you make the news.

I don't know which kind of mother M had.
I am just presenting the possibility that she may not even WANT her mother there.
I just know with that many arrests she certainly couldn't have been around a lot.
Most people don't get arrested every single time. So there is also the times she didn't get arrested.

Right now what this little girl needs is consistency, safety and security.
Parents who have been arrested 130+ times can NOT offer that without a completely change in lifestyle.
Maybe that will happen and if it does that's great!
This little girl needs to know that she is SAFE. I'd be surprised if she felt she was with her parents. :twocents:

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yes, it would be beneficial... IF her parents did that to begin with.
I have not "wanted" my mother in any situation, ever that I recall.
First child? I didn't want my mother there (she was, but I didn't "need" her there.)
Surgery? No desire for my mother to be there.

When you don't grow up with a loving mother, it doesn't help to have her show up once you make the news.

I don't know which kind of mother M had.
I am just presenting the possibility that she may not even WANT her mother there.
I just know with that many arrests she certainly couldn't have been around a lot.
Most people don't get arrested every single time. So there is also the times she didn't get arrested.

Right now what this little girl needs is consistency, safety and security.
Parents who have been arrested 130+ times can NOT offer that without a completely change in lifestyle.
Maybe that will happen and if it does that's great!
This little girl needs to know that she is SAFE. I'd be surprised if she felt she was with her parents. :twocents:

Excellent points, all.

 

[floridamomma]

Im so... idk, naive? I can't imagine a person being arrested SO MANY TIMES. Aint nobody got time fo dat!

 

[SCHMAE]

I think it's important to remember that this mother has something like 60 arrests.
This child is only 6 years old. I don't know how often she has even been around for her.
It is possible the judge has evidence which shows it wouldn't help this child to see her mother.
If my mother had been arrested that many times I don't think she would be a stable person in my life. :twocents:

Very valid point. It's possible the woman is a virtual stranger to the little girl. If someone wanted to look at her arrest dates vs. child's age, you would probably be able to determine if she did any/some/most/all of the child's raising.

Honestly I'm torn. I will admit, I'm on the fence !!!!!!! Half of me thinks, good , let CPS deal with this , the parents didn't when they had the chance, what can they do now. The other half thinks, does it really matter what they've done, they're her parents! End of story. So I do not know which option is best for baby girl. I just pray the right choice is made !

 

[Magdalyn]

http://www.wsaz.com/home/headlines/Seven-year-old-Girl-from-Jackson-Reported-Missing-217080751.html

The hearing lasted just a few minutes, as the judge decided M and her siblings would not be returned to her parents at this point. The three siblings are being identified only by their initials: T.S., a 17-year-old girl, N.S., a 16-year-old boy, and S.S., an 8-year-old boy

After the decision, family members who had been outside the courtroom began yelling, crying and shoving. It was not clear who was involved, but police broke up the situation. Prior to the hearing, M’s aunt and cousin had said they hoped the judge would place the children with family members, rather than in foster care.

Video at link, update at right sidebar.

 

[Magdalyn]

From the same update in the sidebar:

S. also said that he knew Zachary Dunn, the man charged with kidnapping M. He said Dunn had been over to his house earlier that day, and S. sold him a CD player for his car. S. said he considered Dunn a friend.

There will be another hearing Aug. 22 for the S.s’ charges in the complaint by the state and family services.

http://www.wsaz.com/home/headlines/Seven-year-old-Girl-from-Jackson-Reported-Missing-217080751.html

Does this mean the state and family services are bringing charges to the S.s?

 

[ClaireNC]

From the same update in the sidebar:

http://www.wsaz.com/home/headlines/Seven-year-old-Girl-from-Jackson-Reported-Missing-217080751.html

Does this mean the state and family services are bringing charges to the S.s?

I was just going to post the quote saying that her father considered Dunn a friend. Thanks for posting it.

The Aug 22 hearing sounds like it is related to the custody of the children. If there are more criminal charges tied to the abduction, they won't wait until a specific date to serve them.

 

[Dee10]

One cousin said this a couple days ago:

Seitz said he had previously been subpoenaed to testify at a court hearing in August to decide whether M.’s parents, Frank and Brenda S., should be able to keep their children.

“I don't want to see my aunt and uncle lose their children. I know they love their children,” Seitz said. “At the same time, the environment they're living in isn’t very safe and suitable for them right now.”

Seitz said his aunt and uncle have had trouble with drugs and often fight in front of their children.

http://www.wsaz.com/news/headlines/Seven-year-old-Girl-from-Jackson-Reported-Missing-217080751.html

 

[southsleuth]

From same article updated: Bond set at $500,000 for ZD.

 

[Magdalyn]

From same article updated: Bond set at $500,000 for ZD.

Wasn't it originally 50,000? So they upped it significantly.

 

[burbqueen]

Ok today is my irritated day so here I go:

No, I never wanted my mother for anything. I knew she was there, but the person that was my mother was my grandmother. Even now my mom lives with me, but she is more like a sibling than a mom. She is a awesome grandmother I must say!!

Being arrested multiple times is a huge red flag for me. I might be cray cray, but if you are an adult and in and out of jail for years then you cannot be a stable parent. Making mistakes when your young, ok, but around 25-30 or when you start having kids if you cannot get your stuff together you dont deserve to be a parent.

Personally, I know that adoption and foster care isnt always the best, but at times its the best option temoprarily. I am in no way shape or form an advocate for bio parents rights. I have really pointed views on this subject that i wont get into.

I also have issues with kids being placed with relatives. The comments the cousin made. A lot of these cases I see MOnday morning Quarterbacking. Relatives seeing things, but where were these people before CPS stepped in?

 

[ClaireNC]

It seems like it is now OK to talk a bit about the family. Just giving some background info for who might not have done any research, it looks like F and B have 7 or 8 children. Not sure if all of them have the same mother and/or father. Some of them are now over 18 so considered adults.

 

[No Stone Unturned]

M, and her siblings, to remain in foster care; 911 tapes released

http://www.wowktv.com/story/22961779/macey-stewart-siblings

 

[ClaireNC]

Wasn't it originally 50,000? So they upped it significantly.

http://www.wowktv.com/story/22965840/suspect-in-jackson-oh-abduction-case-appears-in-court

The prosecution asked to raise bail to $500,000 and the judge granted it. A preliminary hearing is scheduled for Aug. 5.

It appears as if the wording of "bail" vs "bond" is a reporting error in this article. The Bond was raised to $500,000.


There is a lot more information in the video then what is printed in the article. The TV station wowktv said there will be more information in their 11 pm broadcast.

 

[nerosleuth]

Here's the latest from Jackson.



Man charged with abduction of child


granted the prosecution's request to increase bond to $500,000 as it had initially been set at $50,000 when he was first incarcerated last Saturday.


http://www.thetelegramnews.com/main.asp?SectionID=6&SubSectionID=83&ArticleID=18542

 

[No Stone Unturned]

Just got a chance to actually watch the video in the link I posted above, http://www.wowktv.com/story/22961779/macey-stewart-siblings about 911 call.

This is the 911 call made by the young lady who found M. in her yard-- not the original 911 call that M's father, FS, made on the night she disappeared.

It also includes interviews with relatives of both MS and ZD. The reporter also said that more details would be available in tonight's 11:00 p.m. broadcast. It's after 11 right now EST but nothing new has been added to the article yet. Probably takes a little while.

 

[lisser]

I wonder if there is any hope that he didn't actual assault her sexually. Would there be a reason why they would wait so long to add those charges? They would know from her hospital stay if he had.

 

[ClaireNC]

I haven't had a chance to listen to the video yet, but according to the text:

Dunn said he was not guilty while 13NEWS cameras were rolling Tuesday. He would not comment on how well he knew M.

Dunn was friends with their parents and at the house prior to M's disappearance, according to her older brother.

http://www.wowktv.com/story/22971575/man-accused-of-abducting-6-year-old-says-hes-not

 

[Magdalyn]

I wonder if there is any hope that he didn't actual assault her sexually. Would there be a reason why they would wait so long to add those charges? They would know from her hospital stay if he had.

Well...it all depends on what type of sexual assault he may have perpetrated on her---IOW, one can be sexually assaulted in several ways and also not be penetrated vaginally/rectally. Also, she may not have wanted to talk about details right away, so I can imagine police giving a child extra time to complete her full interview. There may been fluids on her that they'd prefer to get a positive DNA result back on. (I can just hear the perp's lawyer--hey, she wasn't raped on his watch, he dropped her off untouched and still in her swimsuit. Must have been some other dude.)

I would LOVE to hear she wasn't sexually assaulted. But considering this creep snatched her off her porch, kept her for 14 hours and dumped her naked....

I also can't imagine that he won't be additionally charged with plain old regular assault/battery considering the alleged state of her face/collarbone. :twocents: