OK - Christian files lawsuit objecting to license plate displaying a Native American

[Donjeta]

“It’s really the idea that he would have to communicate a religious belief that he doesn’t hold,” Kellum said.

I don't see why there couldn't be a choice of plain art free plates since those are visually less cluttered and clearer anyway but does anybody really think that having licence plates that are similar to everybody else's licence plates that were issued by the state means that you're communicating a religious belief?

If there were pictures of apples on all the Oklahoma standard licence plates would anyone interpret it as communication that the driver of the car really likes apples or his personal endorsement of the apple juice industry?

Oklahoma has more than 200 specialty license plates featuring things like logos for schools and universities, wildlife, and even one featuring the phrase “In God We Trust,” although each specialty plate requires an additional fee ranging from about $18 to $35 annually.

Maybe he could get one of those In God We Trust plates and consider the small additional fee as an investment in missionary work?

 

[FigTree]

for $18.00 he could have just ordered one of these... online.... :facepalm:

Cost:
$18.00 original or replacement

$16.50 renewal

Order Form:
Form 708-D

http://www.tax.ok.gov/plates/sp174.html

*seriously, that image was way tooo big... attachment below now

 

[Ausgirl]

But that wouldn't be -nearly- as dramatic a way to grandstand, nor waste any where near the same amount of court and court personnel's time! So what use would that be?

You and your common sense. Oy..

 

[FigTree]

But that wouldn't be -nearly- as dramatic a way to grandstand, nor waste any where near the same amount of court and court personnel's time! So what use would that be?

You and your common sense. Oy..

You mean like these? :twocents::twocents::twocents:
:floorlaugh:
*runs off*

 

[Steely Dan]

Well how about many many cities that were sued to remove manger scenes at Christmas, crosses from water towers even though they had been there 50 years or more. Employees being told they can not say Merry Christmas to shoppers during the Christmas season. that is in the USA the country I live in.

Good for this pastor finally fighting back at being forced to look at a "God' other than the one he serves and is not allowed to have on a license plate denoting his god., Children not allowed to say a christian prayer in any public school in America.
For crying out loud I live in the USA.

I worked in a predominately Jewish area of Rochester for many years. I said "Merry Christmas" to someone one day and they very tersely told me they don't celebrate Christmas. So it was "Happy Holidays" from then on.

Why do people have to have manger scenes and crosses on water towers? I mean is it really that significant? The more Christians push for things, the more others push back. The more I hear about people getting mad about the "War on Christianity" the more I agree with the other side. Put the manger scene in front of a church. What's so difficult about that?

Nobody is telling people they can't do things in a church that supports Christianity. Put crosses all over the church.

Just remember, a large part of our society aren't Christians. JMO

I'm a Christian and I deplore what the pastor is doing, but I do want kids to be able to say prayers in school. I also want them to be able to say Merry Christmas and Happy Easter...but I want all the other kids to be able to do the same when it comes to their religious heritage as well.

Timely thread this:

http://www.ibtimes.com/texas-governor-rick-perry-signs-merry-christmas-bill-law-1308511

Kids can pray in schools. It happens before every test. They can't have prayers led by anyone for one religion over the loud speakers.

Yikes. If we're already invoking Hitler, I'm going to back away slowly.

Right behind ya. I'm done.

 

[renatae]

for $18.00 he could have just ordered one of these... online.... :facepalm:

Cost:
$18.00 original or replacement

$16.50 renewal

Order Form:
Form 708-D

http://www.tax.ok.gov/plates/sp174.html

*seriously, that image was way tooo big... attachment below now

And then again, since the state only pays $2 per plate, they could allow him to have it at the same cost as the state sanctioned one, instead of $16 to $18 extra yearly.

In my state, Illinois, specialty plates cost us $150 and up extra each and every year they are in use, and this is in addition to the regular fee of $99. So an issue like this would be very costly in our state.

 

[Schuby]

Why do you assume he is making a statement about efforts to remove Christian practices and endorsements? He is not quoted as saying any such .

Because outside of being an imbelice or a lunatic, it is the only reasonable way to interpret his actions. If you argue that he believes he's being forced to worship a rain god, you're arguing that he's an imbecile. If you argue that he believes his god is offended by him having the plate on his car, you're arguing that he's a lunatic who needs to be evaluated for potential danger to himself or others.

 

[RoseRed]

And then again, since the state only pays $2 per plate, they could allow him to have it at the same cost as the state sanctioned one, instead of $16 to $18 extra yearly.

In my state, Illinois, specialty plates cost us $150 and up extra each and every year they are in use, and this is in addition to the regular fee of $99. So an issue like this would be very costly in our state.

I live in Illinois also and can not justify the extra cost on social security. On top of that the high cost of city stickers for each car. I assume no one wants to waste even an additional $18 on plates, stickers and so forth but then some must have money to burn. Guess they are not retired and still have good paying jobs. heck haven't even had my medication refilled in last 2 months.

 

[Schuby]

Well how about many many cities that were sued to remove manger scenes at Christmas, crosses from water towers even though they had been there 50 years or more. Employees being told they can not say Merry Christmas to shoppers during the Christmas season. that is in the USA the country I live in.

Good for this pastor finally fighting back at being forced to look at a "God' other than the one he serves and is not allowed to have on a license plate denoting his god., Children not allowed to say a christian prayer in any public school in America.
For crying out loud I live in the USA.

Personally, I don't care about manger scenes or people saying Merry Christmas. The difference, however, is that there is a legitimate need to prevent the comingling of the practices of nation's dominant religion, one whose adherents occupy the overwhelming majority of the seats of political power, be they at local, state or federal levels, and the practices of government.

When the worshipers of the rain god run the country, I'll start blasting Oklahoma's license plate too.

 

[Linda7NJ]

sbm

Atheists objected to the crosses we put up to memorialize our state troopers killed in the line of duty.
They claimed separation of church and state... because the crosses were on state land.
Because the people killed were STATE troopers... so putting them on state land made sense.

I am NOT religious. I actually DESPISE many of the religious people in my area and many of the cops.

However, honoring dead cops with crosses simply did not bother me.
So, my response to the atheists objecting?
Would have been to offer up MY private land for them to put it on.

That is exactly what many people did... volunteered private land to put the crosses on.
Those crosses are still up... still on display, just a few feet from where they started. :sigh:

I guess I just pick my battles.
I would object to my kids being taught religion in school, that's one reason they are home schooled.

However, I have no objection to them seeing a cross on the side of the road memorializing someone.
In fact, if we pass one that has fallen... we stop and stand it back up, where it belongs. :twocents:

I'd greatly appreciate it, if you didn't paint all atheists with the same brush and in return I promise to not lump all Christians together. Deal?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Appeals court rules man can challenge Oklahoma 'rain god' plate . (Daily Oklahoman)

the rest at the link above

Is this guy kidding me? I mean SERIOUSLY? He's against the display of an Indian shooting an arrow into the sky asking for rain but he's NOT OPPOSED to having the EASTER BUNNY at a church event? What a confusing bigoted stance. Link to the pic with the bus from the church in the background, found in theur Easter 2012 album:
http://photos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/s720x720/554485_346036065445242_800561220_n.jpg?dl=1

Here's their Facebook page, check out the pictures from their Easter event. As of right now there's a picture of a full sized adult dressed up as the Easter Bunny with a woman:
www.facebook.com/stmarksbethany

 

[Ausgirl]

Oh, the hypocrisy. Colour me unsurprised.

Maybe the sexy pagan fertility bunny is too ancient to be offensive, tho? Maybe heathen gods have a shelf-life, when it comes to causing this parson to be litigiously (and religiously) outraged?

I know! Give the Native American on the plate long ears and a cotton tail, problem solved!

 

[Linda7NJ]

Thank God this this man has the balls to stand up for what he believes in.

I'd have to agree.

It's nice when that whackadoos with nothing better to do "out" themselves.

Too bad he isn't putting all that time & energy into something that would actually make a difference. something Christian like perhaps... Like helping in his own community.

 

[looneymama]

Which nation? I don't know where you live but can you give examples of your accusations towards atheists?

Yeah...I'm an atheist. I could care less about seeing Christian things places. I've got more important things to do than whine about things like that. Just because I don't believe in something, doesn't mean everyone else should hide their beliefs so they don't offend me. For example, the country shouldn't have to change their money because I don't believe. I just don't care that much. A dollar is a dollar. The words on it don't represent my beliefs. They represent the fact that I have a dollar.
Imo

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[Linda7NJ]

Yeah...I'm an atheist. I could care less about seeing Christian things places. I've got more important things to do than whine about things like that. Just because I don't believe in something, doesn't mean everyone else should hide their beliefs so they don't offend me. The country shouldn't have to change their money because I don't believe. I just don't care that much. A dollar is a dollar. The words on it don't represent my beliefs. They represent the fact that I have a dollar.
Imo

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Ditto! I just don't care enough either.

 

[ohiogirl]

How much extra would he have to pay for a different plate? And how much is he spending on attorney fees for this?

 

[believe09]

I'd have to agree.

It's nice when that whackadoos with nothing better to do "out" themselves.

Too bad he isn't putting all that time & energy into something that would actually make a difference. something Christian like perhaps... Like helping in his own community.

:floorlaugh:

 

[believe09]

I am trying to figure out how Christianity has anything to do with a cultural/ethnic depiction?

 

[believe09]

http://www.tax.ok.gov/sp1.html

Here is a link to some of the license plate options available....people mystify me.

 

[lonetraveler]

:stormingmad: :giggle:



He'd have to pay extra. I say let the guy get a native American free plate. He can drive around letting everyone know he's an :censored:



Keep religion out of schools and facts out of church.

I personally would pay for a license plate showing the south end of a jackass for him to put on his vehicle.:floorlaugh: