OK - Christian files lawsuit objecting to license plate displaying a Native American

[EmmaliLucia]

How much extra would he have to pay for a different plate? And how much is he spending on attorney fees for this?

I think it's as low as $15.

And No idea about the attorney fees, but at least more than $100

 

[Jacie Estes]

As someone with an American Indian Studies degree; California has the largest American Indian population.

http://www.census.gov/population/estimates/state/rank/aiea.txt

I guess, as an ethno-historian, I should weigh in on this. The majority of the First Nation tribes, after having their numbers severely reduced by disease & depredation, were forced to trek to Oklahoma. I'm not sure of stats, but aside from Louisiana, Oklahoma might have the largest aggregation of First Nation tribes. What's left of them. Apart from not knowing the % viz-á-viz First Nation to other Americans, perhaps this pastor should view himself as the minority here. Many people do not believe in a Christian god who died & rose from the dead. We were a country founded, among many other things, with a belief in the separation of church & state. What would be the solution here: have a generic plate & allow the Sovereign First Nations to have their own plate? The plate is a recognition of who was here first. Unfortunately, commodification of culture has become a 'tribal thing' maybe we should all pay for our own individual plates. I would have my own: a Buddha with a teaching mudra.
There's a hole in the ozone layer, there are children who go to bed hungry at night, & there are babies being assaulted in the Congo. There's so much ninny-ness in this plate thing, I wouldn't know just where to begin..

 

[Deleted member 96356]

Our FL plates had oranges on them, and my husband isn't supposed to eat citrus. "Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!"

 

[EmmaliLucia]

Our FL plates had oranges on them, and my husband isn't supposed to eat citrus. "Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!"

I'm allergic to pine-trees and those horrible dang-num gov'ment people are putting pine trees on my license plates!

How dare they!

 

[TrackerSam]

I think 'Wahhhh' is a state too many people live in, these days. Maybe all this leisure time we have now leaves people with nothing better to do than fish about for frivolous things to be offended about.

For goodness' sake, I want to say to this man and people like him. Go grow some squash and green beans, make a quilt, read to some sick kids in the hospital... there ARE a million and more better things to do, and aa many better ways to be than permanently butthurt.

Exactly. "Whaaa there's a cross in the desert....make them take it down."
"Waaaa there's a cross on the Alamo.....make them take it down."
The state of Waaaa has all manner of folk in it, not just Christians IMO.

 

[TrackerSam]

It's called separation of church and state, it's not something "atheists" just randomly thought up five minutes ago.

It's not in the Constitution. It's a myth that liberals made up.

 

[TrackerSam]

I don't look at schools as "state." They are not government. They are educational institutions. "State schools" is right up there with Hitler and his "education" of youth, IMO.

Not any more. They now tell you that your kid must have a state approved lunch and there's a person who actually checks to see that you obey the state rules.

So in one school district in North Carolina, State Agents are assigned to inspect homemade school lunches brought from home. One girl’s turkey and cheese sandwich, banana, potato chips, and apple juice did not meet U.S. Department of Agriculture guidelines, according to the interpretation of the agent who was inspecting all lunch boxes reports Carolina Journal Online. The girl was then forced to purchase approved school cafeteria food being offered that day, which resulted in the girl eating three chicken nuggets instead. The girl’s mother and grandmother were not too pleased. You can read the full story here.

http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/st...ches-with-government-approved-cafeteria-food/

 

[Kimster]

It's part of the whole ongoing "Waaaah, I'm discriminated against for my Christian beliefs!" phenomenon.

I've been baptized for, oh, 55 years now and I have NEVER been discriminated against because I'm a Christian.

I have been "discriminated against" for my Christian beliefs. We just dealt with a HUGE issue along these lines in my town, that I wasn't personally involved.

But back to the issue at hand, I think this is a RIDICULOUS lawsuit and I would like to know what scripture he's basing his decision on.

 

[Kimster]

http://www.portlandart.net/archives/or09cultural_plate.jpg

These plates have stirred up controversy in Oregon. The thought of wasting tax dollars to get rid of them hasn't crossed the minds of those who oppose them that I'm aware of. :doh:

 

[TrackerSam]

everyone is free to worship how they want in their homes and places of worship.
It doesn't mean any religious group has the right to shove their religion down anyone else's throat at Walmart, public schools, municipal buildings etc

A display is a far cry from a "shove". :floorlaugh: If I wore a Tshirt with a Christian depiction, and you saw me, am I shoving anything down your throat or are you going to have my shirt removed?

 

[EmmaliLucia]

http://www.portlandart.net/archives/or09cultural_plate.jpg

These plates have stirred up controversy in Oregon. The thought of wasting tax dollars to get rid of them hasn't crossed the minds of those who oppose them that I'm aware of. :doh:

Wait, that's been stirring up controversy? Where? And why?

Cultural Trust, the only people I can imagine to be offended by that is a nazi or an old racist.

Wait, I just described half of Southern and Eastern Oregon. Carry on

 

[Kimster]

Wait, that's been stirring up controversy? Where? And why?

Cultural Trust, the only people I can imagine to be offended by that is a nazi or an old racist.

Wait, I just described half of Southern and Eastern Oregon. Carry on

:floorlaugh:

The ones I've heard complaints from are those who call them "hippie plates". Don't ask me, I just live here! :truce:

 

[TrackerSam]

:floorlaugh:

The ones I've heard complaints from are those who call them "hippie plates". Don't ask me, I just live here! :truce:

Who's got time for this BS. Live love laugh. I'm an atheist and I couldn't give a rats behind what deity is on our currency, municipal decals, etc. No one's life will improve one iota by deleting these symbols. Not one miniscule iota.

The Mojave Memorial Cross is a cross formerly on public land in the Mojave desert that was at the center of the Salazar v. Buono legal case before the U.S. Supreme Court.[1][2][3] The original cross was erected in 1934 to honor those killed in war.[4] The cross has been maintained by volunteers[5] and was reconstructed after being destroyed.[5] It was boarded up after lower court rulings declared it illegal because of separation of church and state constitutional concerns.

On April 28, 2010, the US Supreme Court ruled on Salazar v. Buono in a 5-4 decision sent the case back to a lower court.[6] The high court ruled there was no violation of the separation of church and state when Congress transferred the land surrounding the cross to a veteran's group.[6] Writing for the majority, Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote, "The goal of avoiding governmental endorsement [of religion] does not require eradication of all religious symbols in the public realm".[7]

Mojave Memorial Cross - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


People traveled many miles into the desert to be offended by this. :scared:
This pastor who objects to a depiction of an indian shooting an arrow is just as looney.
It's like they're searching for a reason to be offended, and they span all political ideologies.

 

[Nova]

Exactly. "Whaaa there's a cross in the desert....make them take it down."
"Waaaa there's a cross on the Alamo.....make them take it down."
The state of Waaaa has all manner of folk in it, not just Christians IMO.

No, but the Christians are the champions of late.

 

[legalmania]

How do they know that he was shooting an arrow for rain? Maybe he was shooting a bird to bring home dinner to his family. Isn't Oklahoma having a drought right now?

 

[TrackerSam]

How do they know that he was shooting an arrow for rain? Maybe he was shooting a bird to bring home dinner to his family. Isn't Oklahoma having a drought right now?

It doesn't matter what he was shooting at. This preacher was determined to be 'offended'. Unless we decide to leave each other alone we're doomed as a society...doomed I say.

 

[FigTree]

I just read up on the artist who created the sculpture of the Sacred Rain Arrow...
LINK

"Allan Houser (American, 1914-1994) is one of the foremost painters and sculptors of the 20th Century".

Sacred Rain Arrow was the centerpiece of the Olympic Village at the 2002 Olympic Winter Games, welcoming 3,500 athletes and officials from 80 nations.

His work is in renowned collections throughout the world, including the National Museum of American Art, Washington, D.C.; National Portrait Gallery, Washington, D.C.; National Museum of American Indian, Washington, D.C.; Museum of Fine Arts, Santa Fe; Wheelwright Museum, Santa Fe; Heard Museum, Phoenix; British Royal Collection, London; Japanese Royal Collection, Tokyo; and of course, the Colorado Springs Fine Arts Center, among many others.

I can see Decembers Church newsletter now..
... extra cotton wool, glitter and glue will be needed for this years Nativity scene to make it 'license plate worthy' - all donations will be gladly accepted.

 

[FigTree]

Nothing to see here......double post ...Resume normal transmission

 

[Linda7NJ]

A display is a far cry from a "shove". :floorlaugh: If I wore a Tshirt with a Christian depiction, and you saw me, am I shoving anything down your throat or are you going to have my shirt removed?

I probably wouldn't even notice. Unless you're a guy and looked fabulous in that t-shirt

 

[JustJudy]

Maybe he could get one of those In God We Trust plates and consider the small additional fee as an investment in missionary work?

lololol...ah geee....love it "...an investment in missionary work."

The irony in this malarky is oozing out onto the forum like a semitruck full of high fructose corn syrup.

If this nonsensical nonissue is not just a late April Fool's gag, if this is not just a component of some psych phd candidate's research thesis (like yesteryear's boiling frog/ethics thingy)....if even one person finds themselves unable to muster the miniscule amount of empathy, depth of character, or personal introspection required to reject the notion that of all things, a license plate image of a people so thoroughly oppressed and completely disenfranchised as the Native Americans is.....well...oppressive and disenfranchising, then I'm just going to pack a box lunch & sit right here and wait until they open their eyes.

"Get me to the sweat lodge in the mornin'" ~ JJ

ETA: Mods I havn't been snipped in a while, but golly day....