OK - Donald 'Joe' Neff, 61, Poteau, 14 May 2009 - #1

[Roselvr]

Missingmydad, is it possible to call LE and find out how they came to the conclusion of how much money was taken?

I'm sure you & your sister would know about bank accounts your dad had. You would be able to see any deposits; whether or not he deposited money the day he was killed; and/or you should be able to see a pattern of what days of the week he made bar deposits.

Did your dad ride motorcycles? Motorcycle Ride Honors Slain Bar Owner - "We're doing what Joe did every Sunday," said Stacey Nickell of the Protector's Motorcycle Association. "We're doing the same ride that he did."

These are the papers she mentions
Poteau Daily News - pretty worthless
40 29tv.com

Video Family And Friends Continue To Search For Missing Man

Google maps - Long Branch Saloon Poteau Oklahoma - who added - This place is permanently closed?

I've been watching videos, reading stories for the last few hours..

My question - Joe is listed as living at 2 places - my guess is one is not your dad - I'm pretty sure they said country club rd. The other is N Broadway St.

From what I am mapping, they'd drive past his house when leaving the bar to drive to the strip pit.

Google maps
A. Long Branch Saloon 68155 Hwy 59, Poteau, OK
B. Country Club Rd, Poteau, Le Flore, Oklahoma 74953
C. Davis St, Pocola, OK 74902

Gonna post what I have here as I don't have much more time before leaving for hubby's radiation treatment. I'm going to try to work on a map of the others that have been killed

 

[Debbie Miller]

Without the money as a motive, it is hard to say what it could have been besides putting the girlfriend in the scenerio. The facts are limited and the cops are surely further with this than we can be due to that.

By putting the body in the strip pit I would say this person(s) wanted to hide their crime (of course). So this isn't some random killer who has no conscience, spur of the moment. I would think also with the info we know (and we don't know about bullet casings found) that the one who did the shooting is a good shot, steady hand.

JMO

 

[dgfred]

Plus taking the body away to another location is taking a giant chance of being 'found out'. Why not just leave the body, unless it might lead to a suspect?

 

[Roselvr]

Without the money as a motive, it is hard to say what it could have been besides putting the girlfriend in the scenerio. The facts are limited and the cops are surely further with this than we can be due to that.

By putting the body in the strip pit I would say this person(s) wanted to hide their crime (of course). So this isn't some random killer who has no conscience, spur of the moment. I would think also with the info we know (and we don't know about bullet casings found) that the one who did the shooting is a good shot, steady hand.

I've never read about any bullet casings found; just blood.
As far as his body in the strip pit.. there have been a few murders where the body was located in weird places - Jody's was in a remote spot on a mountain - it was by chance that a paraglider spotted her. In her case, it's also not known how she died and if the body was moved. They know she was dragged about 35 feet; that's it. Badly decomposed body and she'd only been gone a few days. Killed the same month as Joe IIRC.

I'm sure Joe's girlfriend was looked at thoroughly just like Jody's husband has been looked at.

Jody's is even weirder because it looks like the hubby did it - took their 3 month old to a funeral in New Mexico; Jody just happened to lose her cell, plus they found her car parked on the road he would drive there. Jody was supposed to go to the funeral with him but did not. Family/friends can't pin down the last correspondence; they are not sure if it was phone or email and what dates. They can see "she" logged into myspace & facebook but it doesn't prove it was actually her.

IMO, I'd be inclined to say there is a psycho there killing people. Look at the newest one I posted today; another unexplained death. You then have the 2 tween girls from last year, IIRC there are a total of 7 from this year alone.

 

[Roselvr]

Plus taking the body away to another location is taking a giant chance of being 'found out'. Why not just leave the body, unless it might lead to a suspect?

That's the thing; it seems like the person killing there is moving the bodies to places they should not be found or places where animals will get them so that evidence will be gone

 

[dgfred]

Nice searching and detective work R, keep up the good work.

 

[Angels_Not_Forgotten]

ok, so maybe the safe was broken into before hand. just a theory here...

Your dad finds his safe broken into and KNOWS who did it. AFter all not everyone knows whats in the safe, how much is in the safe and what it takes to get into it.

Dad asks that person to come by bar, confronts him with evidence. Leaves the residence as was except locks the door back in case he has to call police on a friend/family/known acquaintance(?) that he somehow KNOWS broke into the safe.

THe person freaks out and shots your dad.

That would explain locked door, safe left open, that sort of thing.

Did anyone stop by just to "see" your dad at the home while you were there and was shocked that he was missing?

again, maybe very far off base, but as smart of a man as everyone say's your dad was, and as strong as he was, it's just so hard to believe he was out witted or over powered. Everyone DOES say he had a heart of gold tho...

 

[Roselvr]

Nice searching and detective work R, keep up the good work.

Thank you.
A member PM'd me and gave me her list of killings there.
Once I have more time I will see what I can do with it.

I was thinking that maybe we should get another post going with all of the Oklahoma killings to see if anything is common.

ok, so maybe the safe was broken into before hand. just a theory here...

Your dad finds his safe broken into and KNOWS who did it. AFter all not everyone knows whats in the safe, how much is in the safe and what it takes to get into it.

Dad asks that person to come by bar, confronts him with evidence. Leaves the residence as was except locks the door back in case he has to call police on a friend/family/known acquaintance(?) that he somehow KNOWS broke into the safe.

THe person freaks out and shots your dad.

That would explain locked door, safe left open, that sort of thing.

Did anyone stop by just to "see" your dad at the home while you were there and was shocked that he was missing?

again, maybe very far off base, but as smart of a man as everyone say's your dad was, and as strong as he was, it's just so hard to believe he was out witted or over powered. Everyone DOES say he had a heart of gold tho...

I like this theory.

 

[sweetheart29]

My list is in the jury room I did not know where to put it.

 

[Roselvr]

My list is in the jury room I did not know where to put it.

Thank you. The link is here - What is going on in southeastern Oklahoma

I don't know where to post this maybe a better sleuth than me can find a connection to these people.

There have been alot of people reported missing or found dead all with in a 75 miles radius. Here are some of the ones I have found I am trying to find out if there are any connection other than they all went missing/found in this area.

clayton-Jeffrey Ben- missing 2001-found,
Talihina-Joe Keys-missing 2001- notfound,
Calyton-Darrell Hammons-missing2001-not found
http://www.mcalesternews.com/local/local_story_084150558.html
Joe Neff Joe Neff (my dad) unsolved murder 14 May 2009 -no leads - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
Jody Rilee Wilson, 23, of Wister
Boby,Sherilynn,and Madyson Jamison
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90523&highlight=jamison&page=22
http://maggiesnotebook.blogspot.com/2009/10/bobby-jamison-sherilynn-jamison-is.html
Dusty Nichole Loggains
http://www.poteaudailynews.com/content/view/158815/1/
Stephen Adams
http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/2...8-26__REWARD_OFFERED_IN_MISSING_MAN_CASE.html
3 counties involved Pushmataha, Leflore, Latimer

http://www.fedstats.gov/mapstats/cri...nty/40127.html

Addition - Joe David Key - Key was last seen in Talihina, Oklahoma on Febraury 12, 2001. He has never been heard from again. Few details are available in his case. Key, Darrell Hammons, and Jeffrey Lee Ben went missing from the same area and within a year of one another. Ben's remains were found in Pushmataha County, Oklahoma in 2006; Hammons is still missing. Photographs and vital statistics for Hammons are unavailable. It has been suggested that there is some connection between the cases, but no links have been established. All three men's disappearances remain unsolved.

Stephan Mitchell Adams- December 13, 2004 from Tahlequah, Oklahoma Adams called his girlfriend on his cellular phone at 11:00 a.m. on December 13, 2004 and told her he was giving a man a ride to Keys, Oklahoma. He was in good spirits at the time of the conversation. Authorities later determined that at the time he spoke to his girlfriend, Adams had been south of Tahlequah, Oklahoma. Someone tried to call his phone at 11:30 a.m. and it rang only once before going to voice mail; all calls after that were transferred immediately to voice mail. Between 11:30 a.m. and 12:00 p.m. he was seen at a convenience store in Cookson, Oklahoma. Adams appeared to be upset and agitated at the time. He purchased a soda, then stood outside the store for about five minutes before he left the vicinity in his pickup. He was apparently alone. He has never been heard from again. Adams was carrying a dark-colored bookbag at the time of his disappearance.

 

[Tracie5]

The safe throws me off a little also, well the Locked room does anyway. If it doesnt self-lock, it almost seems like it was done by someone out of habit over someone trying to throw LE off. I think it was still motivated by money. The money in his shirt pocket could have went easily overlooked. Most people keep money in their wallets, not shirt pockets so it could have just been an oversight of the killer/s. Or something could have made them rush to get rid of him and get out of there before they had a chance to search him for additional money. I am leaning more towards the GF with an additional one or two accomplices. She does have a criminal record and has used aliases before per record searches.I have high hope the task force they brought in will resolve this very quickly. My thoughts and prayers for the family.

BBM
Did I miss something? Where did this info come from?

 

[Angels_Not_Forgotten]

BBM
Did I miss something? Where did this info come from?

Yeah i was wondering that too!!!

 

[Roselvr]

This is from Topix - one of the Jody posts - They said that Joe's arms were taped and that they are not sure about his legs.

~snip~

Jimmy wrote:
What I didn't say, and what I was trying to say is that both Joe and Jodie's murders involve these two mountain ranges. That's one simialarity right there. But,was Jody brought there or lured there? Big difference.

I would have to say brought there, considering the Me thinks she was dead when left on top of the mountain, but those are good questions and Joe arms (not sure about the legs) were taped and he was shot in the head. I believe one of his relatives that was on this site not too many pages ago, wondered why he was taped after he was killed.... don't understand that one myself either.

 

[Roselvr]

I am leaning more towards the GF with an additional one or two accomplices. She does have a criminal record and has used aliases before per record searches.

BBM
Did I miss something? Where did this info come from?

Apparently this poster was able to find the girlfriends name and checked it.
I have never seen her name printed in anything I read.



...

 

[Soulmagent]

I didnt see this listed on the thread and wanted to post it.

http://evansfuneralhomes.blogspot.com/2009/05/joe-neff.html

 

[Soulmagent]

Apparently this poster was able to find the girlfriends name and checked it.
I have never seen her name printed in anything I read.



...

Me either and not for lack of looking.

 

[missingmydad]

The Broadway address is the main highway going through Poteau. The Country Club address was dads. It was probably my dads old shop address.
I know there are a lot of people that would have known that dad got the bar ready to open everyday, but everyone liked dad. He was friends with everyone, I cannot believe that anyone would have gotten mad enough to kill him. It just does not seem real. There are no enemies that I know of.
I am not sure which way they drove to the strip pit. There are 3 or 4 ways. 1. the hwy 59 to broadway going north, then east on hwy 112 to Pocola. 2. go south after leaving bar on hwy 59 turn on hwy 83 go east and go back way through Monroe, Gilmore, and Cameron, then onto 112 to Pocola. 3. go behind back side of bar to the old or new Wister hwy. then you could get on the bypass and it turns into 112. We just are not sure. If he was in the back of a truck how could no one see him all the way to Pocola? If he was bleeding surely they would not have put him in the trunk of a car.
If this was not premeditated then why would the killer already have a gun-with them-loaded and something to tie him up with or cover him with? this sounds planned to me.I liked the scenario of maybe dad noticed someone had broken into the bar and was going to confront them but would he have not told anyone? Wouldn't the le have found records if he had talked to someone suspicious. I still cannot believe that anyone could out wit him, he was just too smart, too careful, and too cautious. More than anyone I know, he was always aware of all his surroundings.
I honestly cannot come up with one good suspect. None of it make any sense. I know I always wonder if my kids and I are safe. Apparently they know dad, do they know us too? Will they kill again? Scary thought.....

 

[Kimster]

{{{HUGS}}} to you Missing! I pray the Lord keeps your family in His protection!

 

[missingmydad]

Here is his picture and I must say, he was handsome!

i sure do miss this face......

 

[missingmydad]

There is a $10,000 reward for the arrest and conviction of his murderer(s)