GUILTY OK - Eric Harris, 44, fatally shot by Tulsa Co. deputy, 2 April 2015

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"Another seeming oddity of the records is how many classes Bates took on two days.

The Council on Law Enforcement Education and Training records show Bates took 14 training classes worth 20 credit hours on December 10, 2013, and 20 classes worth 31 credit hours on December 11, 2014."

WOW

And not at all suspicious. :thinking:
 
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John Bacon @jmbacon · 11m11 minutes ago
Tulsa Sheriff Stanley Glanz: My sympathy goes out to the entire (Harris) family.


John Bacon @jmbacon · 9m9 minutes ago
Tulsa sheriff says FBI has completed investigation and found no problems with sheriff's office in the death of Eric Harris.


John Bacon @jmbacon · 9m9 minutes ago
Tulsa sheriff Glanz said he first met volunteer deputy Robert Bates 25 years ago.


John Bacon @jmbacon · 7m7 minutes ago
Glanz was asked if any of the Deputy Bates's records were fraudulent. "No sire, not that I'm aware of."



 
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Lawyer releases training records for Tulsa deputy charged in killing

The documents show Bates had one Taser training class over a six-and-a-half-year period, took three firearms training classes and qualified 10 times, from 2009 to 2014, to use a handgun. His evaluations say he got along with other officers and related well with the public.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/18/us/tulsa-shooting-training-records/

Training records: http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/04/18/rcb.tr.001-057.pled.ltr.and.certificates.pdf
 
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I wonder if having little to no taser training was the key issue. If he was used to firing his pistol, muscle memory will have you reach for that first. Maybe equal taser/weapons training would help?
 
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According to the article you have linked they are theorizing that could be a result of computer classes. It sounds like they may allow people to 'test out' of some classes.

It could also be falsifying of information IMO. The whole training thing is very sketchy to me. Because at first it did seem like they tried to claim that he had certain training in AZ when in fact all he did was attend a seminar and they handed out some sort of certificate there in AZ. This was on CNN with Anderson Cooper. I have no link but saw it talked about.

Harris attorney has been trying to get an official release of all his training and my understanding is they havent gotten what they asked for from the officer's attorney and/or sheriff department. I believe Harris family member on the news I watched that said they have not been able to receive official release of all his training. The family member went on to say that it is because he probably did not have much official training. This was about 3 days ago so things may have changed by now. I am not sure.

Here is another sketchy report that alleges falsifying documents but the source seems to have credibility issues.
The whole training topic is sketchy to me. If it wasnt sketchy, I don't think Harris side would be making such a big deal about them not being released to them way sooner by now.

It will be interesting to follow the training records in this case.

http://www.newson6.com/story/28826995/tcso-reserve-deputys-records-false-affidavit-claims
 
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I wonder if having little to no taser training was the key issue. If he was used to firing his pistol, muscle memory will have you reach for that first. Maybe equal taser/weapons training would help?

I agree that more needs to be done in tazer training versus gun training. One way is to better make sure the tazers do not have the look and feel of a gun. I think they can do more to make the tazers be totally different. The color, weight, look and feel all need to be addressed to make sure it has a totally different look and feel to it.

Having a special holster for the tazer maybe soemthing they can do differently too. Like a bright yellow holster or something.

Maybe an audible sound from the tazer should be given off by the tazer itself too. Instead of the policemen yelling Tazer tazer. Maybe the tazer itself could give off an audible tazer warning when the safety on it is turned off or something like that.
 
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Robert Bates, the Oklahoma reserve sheriff's deputy who says he mistook his gun for his Taser when he shot and killed a man earlier this month, pleaded not guilty on Tuesday to second-degree manslaughter.

A judge set a hearing for July 2. The judge allowed Bates to take a previously planned vacation to the Bahamas. Bates did not address reporters as he entered and left court.

More at link... vacation? Really? IMO.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...deputy-pleads-not-guilty-manslaughter-n345471
 
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Robert Bates, the Oklahoma reserve sheriff's deputy who says he mistook his gun for his Taser when he shot and killed a man earlier this month, pleaded not guilty on Tuesday to second-degree manslaughter.

A judge set a hearing for July 2. The judge allowed Bates to take a previously planned vacation to the Bahamas. Bates did not address reporters as he entered and left court.

More at link... vacation? Really? IMO.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...deputy-pleads-not-guilty-manslaughter-n345471

Well we wouldn't want him to miss out on margaritas and coconut rum, now would we. Jeez.
 
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Well we wouldn't want him to miss out on margaritas and coconut rum, now would we. Jeez.

Good to see his priorities are in order lol :P
 
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What in the world?!!

Since when is it not a customary bail condition on a manslaughter charge to surrender your passport and/or have your travel restricted to ensure you don't flee??

Unreal.
 
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I guess that means he isn't paying for his own lawyer?
I would be worried about money and be cancelling any vacation. :twocents:
 
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I guess that means he isn't paying for his own lawyer?
I would be worried about money and be cancelling any vacation. :twocents:

Somewhere I got the impression that he is very well to do.
 
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This Daily Mail updated article has some interesting information:

"The family of a man shot dead by a reserve deputy who confused his weapon for his Taser has slammed the gunman's decision to take a month-long vacation to the Bahamas while out on bond.

Robert Bates, 73, appeared in Tulsa district court on Tuesday and pleaded not guilty to second-degree manslaughter in the death of Eric Harris, who was killed during a botched sting on April 2.

Despite the charges, the judge said that the retired insurance executive, who is out on $25,000 bond, is allowed to take a previously planned vacation to the Bahamas, NBC reported.

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Harris' family reacted to the decision in a statement released by their lawyer.

Whether intended or not, Mr. Bates' vacationing in the Bahamas at this time sends a message of apathy with respect to the shooting and Eric's life,' they said.
'At a time when we are still mourning the death of a loved one that he shot down in the street, Mr. Bates will be relaxing and enjoying his wealth and privilege.'​

It is not clear when he is leaving for the holiday but Bates will next appear in court on July 2.

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"Bates, who sold his insurance business for $6 million in 1999, was trained to be a Tulsa Police Department patrolman in 1964 but left in 1965.

He was out of law enforcement for 35 years, returning for volunteer work in Florida in 2000 before joining the Tulsa County force in 2008 and making a number of donations to the agency.

He also was Glanz' campaign manager during the 2012 election."


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...oting-allowed-Bahamas-trip.html#ixzz3Xzg9NoZw
 
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I'm sorry. I just have to laugh to keep from screaming.
 
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Somewhere I got the impression that he is very well to do.

I think that is at the very heart of this story. It seems he is a wealthy citizen who perhaps "bought" his way into the local PD. JMO,based on snippets from news articles.

Sadly, his little hobby proved deadly for a less privileged man. LE positions should not be open to dilettantes and the moneyed curious, but to those who have trained and done the work.

But luckily, he will not miss his Caribbean vacay. What a pig.
 
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I'm sorry. I just have to laugh to keep from screaming.

Oh but sadly, that is how this works. It is how it most often works.

Jesus wept.
 

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