OK OK - Girl Scout Murders, Lori Farmer, 8, Michelle Guse, 9, Doris Milner, 10, 1977

[linzygye918]

Does anyone know where they are with DNA testing on this case? I'm trying to find updates, but I can't seem to find any.

 

[linzygye918]

I will reiterate what a poster said earlier in the thread; were there any other murders & rapes of young girls in this area afterword or before? A perp like this doesn’t just stop nor does he normally target women vs girls. MOO

I am trying to research into that. I know there were several crimes committed in this geographical area during the 80's and 90's. Similar MO, I'm seeking more similarities.

 

[linzygye918]

I thought I'd re-acquire "Someone Cry for the Children: The Unsolved Oklahoma Girl Scout Murders and the Case of Gene Leroy Hart" and further re-acquaint myself with the details of the case, but---ouch, prohibitive prices: Amazon and Alibris list many used copies, ranging in price from $29.99 to $99.99 for hardbacks, and paperbacks from $30 to about $80. The only new copy available: a paperback listing at an even $100.

Premium prices like that indicate that high levels of interest still exist for this case, 28 years after the book was published and 32 years after the tragedy at Camp Scott.

The fact that someone wants to profit from these death is disgusting in itself.

 

[linzygye918]

Another thing I just found this posted
http://boards.aetv.com/topic/Have-Any-Cases/Girl-Scout-Murders/100001959
On this board listen guys

Re: Girl Scout Murders Locust Grove 1977
Jan 1, 2009 11:00 PM Report Abuse
I was 7-1/2 years old in 1977, and a girl scout. Unfortunately I was too young to go to Camp Scott that year. My older sister, who was almost 11 was at the camp, when the tragedy happened.

I remember this very well. I had to stay with my older brothers girlfriend while he drove to Locust Grove to find out what was going on, of course he was denied information. The parents of the all the girls were waiting on the busses to return to Tulsa (where I was from at the time) and the magic empire refused to tell the scouts parents' which children were killed. I thought this to be terribly traumatic just waiting, hoping and praying to see your daughter get off the bus.

In July 1977 we moved to Locust Grove within oh 4 miles of the camp where the tragedy occured. It was very hard for my sister, as I recall. She told me, she was in the tent across from where the girls that were murdered stayed. She remembered talking to them and were goin to go outside and play after dark (which wasn't allowed) but those in my sisters tent couldn't find their shoes. I believe this is a miracle or their could easily have been more vitcims. She said she never heard anything during the night. The next morning all they were told to go swimming while they waited for the busses to return them to Tulsa. They were unaware of what had happened till after they returned.

I grew up and graduated Locust Grove highschool in 1987 and lived in NE Oklahoma all of my life. This has affected my life and enhanced the belief that justice is overrated and ususally the sentence doesn't fit the crime and if it does the parole system gives them the opportunity to commit again.

I so prayed when they retested the evidence something would have come out of that, but alas the hopes of all of us in Mayes County who remember this were very disappointed. Feel free to contact me.

It had to be someone in the camp. These girls couldn't find their shoes to go outside after dark. Someone had to be thinking about this. Hide their shoes so no one comes out while the men are doing what they are doing. It may not have been a blessing after all. I think it is a huge coincidence that these girls were going to go out and play after dark and suddenly their shoes are gone so they don't go. Someone I think planned this VERY CAREFULLY.

I wonder if there was a complete list of camp employees ANYWHERE? That would help narrow things down for sure...

 

[linzygye918]

Another thing I just found this posted
http://boards.aetv.com/topic/Have-Any-Cases/Girl-Scout-Murders/100001959
On this board listen guys

Re: Girl Scout Murders Locust Grove 1977
Jan 1, 2009 11:00 PM Report Abuse
I was 7-1/2 years old in 1977, and a girl scout. Unfortunately I was too young to go to Camp Scott that year. My older sister, who was almost 11 was at the camp, when the tragedy happened.

I remember this very well. I had to stay with my older brothers girlfriend while he drove to Locust Grove to find out what was going on, of course he was denied information. The parents of the all the girls were waiting on the busses to return to Tulsa (where I was from at the time) and the magic empire refused to tell the scouts parents' which children were killed. I thought this to be terribly traumatic just waiting, hoping and praying to see your daughter get off the bus.

In July 1977 we moved to Locust Grove within oh 4 miles of the camp where the tragedy occured. It was very hard for my sister, as I recall. She told me, she was in the tent across from where the girls that were murdered stayed. She remembered talking to them and were goin to go outside and play after dark (which wasn't allowed) but those in my sisters tent couldn't find their shoes. I believe this is a miracle or their could easily have been more vitcims. She said she never heard anything during the night. The next morning all they were told to go swimming while they waited for the busses to return them to Tulsa. They were unaware of what had happened till after they returned.

I grew up and graduated Locust Grove highschool in 1987 and lived in NE Oklahoma all of my life. This has affected my life and enhanced the belief that justice is overrated and ususally the sentence doesn't fit the crime and if it does the parole system gives them the opportunity to commit again.

I so prayed when they retested the evidence something would have come out of that, but alas the hopes of all of us in Mayes County who remember this were very disappointed. Feel free to contact me.

It had to be someone in the camp. These girls couldn't find their shoes to go outside after dark. Someone had to be thinking about this. Hide their shoes so no one comes out while the men are doing what they are doing. It may not have been a blessing after all. I think it is a huge coincidence that these girls were going to go out and play after dark and suddenly their shoes are gone so they don't go. Someone I think planned this VERY CAREFULLY.

I wonder if there was a complete list of camp employees ANYWHERE? That would help narrow things down for sure...

 

[Betty P]

I wonder if there was a complete list of camp employees ANYWHERE? That would help narrow things down for sure...

Yes, there was. All of them were questioned extensively by LE. The majority of the employees were young women of high school and college age. The two men - a caretaker who lived there with his wife and young children and the husband of the camp director, were questioned extensively by many members of LE. The cooperated fully.

The caretaker was responsible for locking the gate. The killers approached the camp and the victims on foot from an area to the south and west of the camp.

 

[Betty P]

The fact that someone wants to profit from these death is disgusting in itself.

These two men were investigators on the case. I'm not sure they made a lot of money from it. There was only one printing, as I recall. It's been out of print many years now and only available from used book collectors.

 

[TedMac]

Does anyone know where they are with DNA testing on this case? I'm trying to find updates, but I can't seem to find any.

Going from memory, but I believe DNA testing was done and the results were inconclusive.

 

[Betty P]

Going from memory, but I believe DNA testing was done and the results were inconclusive.

It's all farther back in these threads, so it's worthwhile to read the information. There were DNA tests done around 2007 or so that revealed a strong link to most of Hart's DNA. The samples available are very small and degraded.

JMO, yes, it was done by Hart, possibly with the help of one of his relatives who lived nearby and who also had a history of sexual abuse against girls and women. GLH committed some horrific rapes and assaults against women prior to his arrest for these crimes. Two of his victims were raped, beaten and locked in the trunk of a car. It's assumed he thought they would die, but they were discovered. He was living nearby the Girl Scout Camp after escaping from jail just prior to the murders.

 

[TedMac]

It's all farther back in these threads, so it's worthwhile to read the information. There were DNA tests done around 2007 or so that revealed a strong link to most of Hart's DNA. The samples available are very small and degraded.

JMO, yes, it was done by Hart, possibly with the help of one of his relatives who lived nearby and who also had a history of sexual abuse against girls and women. GLH committed some horrific rapes and assaults against women prior to his arrest for these crimes. Two of his victims were raped, beaten and locked in the trunk of a car. It's assumed he thought they would die, but they were discovered. He was living nearby the Girl Scout Camp after escaping from jail just prior to the murders.

Yes. I remember the DNA pointed toward Hart, but stopped short of saying it was definitely him. Like you, I think he and probably at least one other person were the culprits. Wasn't GLH living or frequenting some sort of hideout or cave near the camp when all of this happened?

 

[linzygye918]

Do we know if the DNA was ever tested against inmates in the Oklahoma prison system?

 

[mrz]

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[Richard]

The Oklahoma Girl Scout Murders
On June 13, 1977 girl scouts Michelle Guse, Lori Lee Farmer and Denise Milner were brutally raped and murdered at Camp Scott in Locust Grove, Oklahoma. This unsolved case has become one of Oklahoma’s most infamous murder mysteries.



(left to right) Michelle Guse, Lori Lee Farmer, Denise Milner

LINK:
Murder Mystery: The Oklahoma Girl Scout Murders - AY Magazine

 

[Betty P]

Yes. I remember the DNA pointed toward Hart, but stopped short of saying it was definitely him. Like you, I think he and probably at least one other person were the culprits. Wasn't GLH living or frequenting some sort of hideout or cave near the camp when all of this happened?

Three years before the murders, Hart had escaped jail. He was serving time for 2 brutal rapes (and attempted murder of the victims) and another attempted rape and burglary of an off duty police officer. In the latter crime, he was caught breaking into the apartment of the woman police officer. She woke up and accosted him.

At the time of the murders he'd been living part time at his mother's home (less than a mile from the Camp Scott). When LE came around, he would head for a cave hideout he had created about a mile away from the camp. When hiding in the cave, he would steal food and supplies from nearby homes and farms. He had recently broken into a house on a nearby farm to steal beer, food and supplies that were used in the murders (flashlight, etc.). Hart grew up in the area and had many relatives who lived in the vicinity.

After the GS murders, he was taken away from the Locust Grove area and hidden in the cabin of a Medicine Man. He was captured there by officers several months later.

 

[Betty P]

The Oklahoma Girl Scout Murders
On June 13, 1977 girl scouts Michelle Guse, Lori Lee Farmer and Denise Milner were brutally raped and murdered at Camp Scott in Locust Grove, Oklahoma. This unsolved case has become one of Oklahoma’s most infamous murder mysteries.



(left to right) Michelle Guse, Lori Lee Farmer, Denise Milner

LINK:
Murder Mystery: The Oklahoma Girl Scout Murders - AY Magazine

Not sure why they're referring to this case as "unsolved". Just because Hart died in prison doesn't mean it was unsolved.

In 1989, DNA testing was done and proved that in DNA testing at the time three of the five probes matched Hart's DNA making the chance Hart was the killer 1 in 7,700.[8] In 2008, authorities conducted new DNA testing on stains found on a pillowcase, the results of which proved inconclusive because the samples were "too deteriorated to obtain a DNA profile".[9] In 2017, $30,000 in donations were raised by the sheriff in order to do new DNA tests using the latest advances in testing.[10]

JMO, the first jury found Hart not guilty because they weren't allowed to hear evidence that Hart had previously raped and attempted to kill 2 19 y0 pregnant women.

 

[SAMS]

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[MissLaura]

Started reading about this horrific case a couple of days ago. I can't stop thinking about Lori, Denise, and Michele. May they rest in peace.

 

[Richard]

Gene Leroy Hart

LINK:
40 Years After 3 Girl Scouts Were Killed at Camp, Police Hope DNA Will Reveal Their Killer

 

[SAMS]

What happened with the DNA testing? MOO

 

[jinenji]

What happened with the DNA testing? MOO

stumbling across this thread, but to answer that question:
“But police need a DNA profile. They are hoping continued advancements will allow them to retest the semen to reveal a long-awaited profile.” FEB 2020
Girl Scouts Murders: Police Hope DNA Will Identify the Killer