OK - Ivy Webster, 14 and Brittney Brewer, 16, among 7 murdered by Jesse McFadden, Henryetta, 1 May 2023

[AngTxGal]

<modsnip: Quoted post removed> ... All I can say is much respect for this survivor coming out, revealing that six lives were lost due to the system deciding he needed a second, third, or fourth chance?
When will we say NO!

And some wonder why the law and courts are not places expected to serve justice.
In many many places the good ole’ boy network thinks SA is a right of passage.
I think the offending body part should be removed.

Yes, that would be as cruel as rape, yes it would seem to some overkill, and…
YES, it would be a real deterrent to repeat offenders.

JMO

 

[Gardenista]

A female with a large platform needs to start a movement to get rape and child possession sentencing changed to life in prison. I can't see any way this would not pass in every state. Anybody who voted no would become unelectable.

 

[ArianeEmory]

A female with a large platform needs to start a movement to get rape and child *advertiser censored* possession sentencing changed to life in prison. I can't see any way this would not pass in every state. Anybody who voted no would become unelectable.

My ideas about who is unelectable and what people think about protecting women* and children have suffered staggering blows in the last seven years. That said, I think the pattern of of repeat sexual offenders getting out of prison and then escalating to murder is finally sinking in for a lot of people, and “tolerance” of rape in general seems to be at all time lows. So I suppose there’s cause for hope.

(*I understand that women are not the only victims of rape, I’m just referring to the typical pattern we see that ends in murder. That said, when I referenced the increasing intolerance of rape above, part of that is the fact that it’s being acknowledged that sexual assault is *not* limited to certain types of victims, which is important.)

 

[Gemmie]

Interview w/ Ivy Webster's parents


They called McFadden "a little weird" but didn't elaborate.

SBMFF

I think he was a "whole lotta weird" IMO.

 

[Dargon335]

I hope senior administrators of the Oklahoma Department of Corrections are required to explain, publicly, who, why, and how they justified his release.

Did ODC believe his time spent in prison actually changed his attitudes or behavior? Clearly not the case from what’s been presented in MSM so far.

 

[PommyMommy]

So young and innocent.

MAY 2, 2023

Missing Teens Bodies Found Oklahoma​

This undated photo provided by Janette Mayo shows from left, Tiffany Guess, Michael Mayo and Rylee Elizabeth Allen, three of seven people found dead on a property in rural Oklahoma on Monday, May 1, 2020. As law enforcement officials went silent Tuesday, May 2, 2023, while piecing together what led to the killing of seven people in rural Oklahoma, family members of those slain recalled the controlling nature of one of the dead, who was a registered sex offender.

 

[Erutan]

I'm struggling so much to understand how the perp managed to murder 6 people without one of them breaking and running for cover ?
Just paralyzed by fear, probably.

Kids.
He slaughtered kids.
Imo.

 

[Gemmie]

I'm struggling so much to understand how the perp managed to murder 6 people without one of them breaking and running for cover ?
Just paralyzed by fear, probably.

Kids.
He slaughtered kids.
Imo.

I think they could have scattered after either the first shot rang out, or when they knew what was going to happen next. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were shot in the back. Maybe not the first, but I'd think the others would have run if fear didn't grip them. It's hard to imagine that many killed in the yard. Inside a house you're more contained.

 

[Marysmith]

This is just a nightmare. I don’t even know what to say. I’m so angry that this happened.

 

[Doesitmakesense]

I think they could have scattered after either the first shot rang out, or when they knew what was going to happen next. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were shot in the back. Maybe not the first, but I'd think the others would have run if fear didn't grip them. It's hard to imagine that many killed in the yard. Inside a house you're more contained.

IIRC a previous article said the girls were picked up by JM? If that's the case and it was just him collecting the two non family members maybe MO he did something with them first, possibly family became aware, then turned on the family. All speculation, but that makes more sense to me the everybody all together

 

[iamnotagolem]

I'm struggling so much to understand how the perp managed to murder 6 people without one of them breaking and running for cover ?
Just paralyzed by fear, probably.

Kids.
He slaughtered kids.
Imo.

Do we know when Holly & her kids were last seen? Everything says he planned this, so maybe those 4 were already dead when he picked up the two non family members. He may have killed mom while the kids were not home, then killed her kids when they got home, then killed the two visitors after he got them.

 

[Erutan]

Do we know when Holly & her kids were last seen ? Everything says he planned this, so maybe those 4 were already dead when he picked up the two non family members. He may have killed mom while the kids were not home, then killed her kids when they got home, then killed the two visitors after he got them.

Bbm.
Red bolded : Good question.
Or when was the last text/call communication sent from any of them ?

Blue bolded : That makes sense in how he may have controlled them, so no one could escape !

If found in the house I'd have assumed killed in their sleep, but then someone would've woken up from the noise of the gun.
Dying in their sleep might have been more merciful, but this monster (one would assume) seemed to take pleasure in inflicting as much terror as possible.
Slain outside and fully awake and alert.

Since the perp died in a cowardly fashion, he can't face a long slow wait in a jail cell before perishing from old age or execution --which would be the more likely scenario.
A crime like this would place JM at the top of the list in the state of OK !
So many have been impacted and horrified at his senseless crime.
Imo.

 

[otto]

I'm curious about the "all dead in the field" but "not grouped together" comment upthread.

If they were all standing still, too terrified to run, it seems like they would be grouped together.

In the same field but not grouped together leads me to question whether they were killed at the same time.

 

[airportwoman]

I'm wondering if maybe they were around a bonfire, or some other perfectly normal-seeming situation where people would be out in a field in the same general area.

 

[otto]

... some had been lined up, others were located across the property ?

Perhaps they were lined up and some started running? Perhaps some were initially spared?

"He said law enforcement officials also told him that all of the victims suffered gunshot wounds, that some had been lined up and were located across the property."​

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[otto]

I'm wondering if maybe they were around a bonfire, or some other perfectly normal-seeming situation where people would be out in a field in the same general area.

Given what we know about sociopaths organizing events to detail, bonfire seems like a good opportunity to catch people off guard.

Would that leave the impression of "in a group" but "not grouped?" If they were killed at different times at the same place, that could also give the impression of "not grouped."

For example, if the suspect planned an exit strategy where he had access to young females, the first to die would be his wife and her sons. They would be grouped together. The other three victims could have died later, also by gunshot, before he suicided himself.

 

[Interested Torontonian]

I think they could have scattered after either the first shot rang out, or when they knew what was going to happen next. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were shot in the back. Maybe not the first, but I'd think the others would have run if fear didn't grip them. It's hard to imagine that many killed in the yard. Inside a house you're more contained.

Or they could have reflexively moved towards each other. Objectivity might say 'immediately run' - but emotionally you might move towards those who are threatened.

 

[Gemmie]

Or they could have reflexively moved towards each other. Objectivity might say 'immediately run' - but emotionally you might move towards those who are threatened.

True, but it was said by the grandmother, per LE, that they weren't grouped together, which is why I wondered if they scattered.

Ms. Mayo said the authorities told her that Mr. McFadden took all of the victims into the yard and killed them. “They were all shot. They were not in a group,” she said, her voice breaking.

Mother and Three Children Among 7 Found Dead in Oklahoma, Relative Says

 

[otto]

True, but it was said by the grandmother, per LE, that they weren't grouped together, which is why I wondered if they scattered.

Ms. Mayo said the authorities told her that Mr. McFadden took all of the victims into the yard and killed them. “They were all shot. They were not in a group,” she said, her voice breaking.

Mother and Three Children Among 7 Found Dead in Oklahoma, Relative Says

He shot all of the victims in the yard.

"[Ivy’s father, Justin Webster], said law enforcement officials told him that all of the victims suffered gunshot wounds, that some had been lined up and were located across the property."​

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[Gemmie]

He shot all of the victims in the yard.

"[Ivy’s father, Justin Webster], said law enforcement officials told him that all of the victims suffered gunshot wounds, that some had been lined up and were located across the property."​

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Per the below from your link:

“I would say he was weird,” Webster said. “He was always getting into his kids’ phones and reading all their snap messages and all that. It wasn’t in a way of a concerned parent. It was more of keeping tabs on the kids.”

Keeping tabs on the kids? IMO it was more like he was making sure no one said anything to anyone about inappropriate behavior to them from a sex offender. They likely did not know he was a sex offender, but they did know right from wrong with what he might have been doing. All MOO

Source: Oklahoma woman: Sex offender controlled my daughter's family