OK, Noah Presgrove, 19, Sept 4, 2023, Comanche, homicide, attended a house party, found on side of road

Filed Monday in Stephens County District Court, the lawsuit accuses eight named individuals, several unidentified defendants, and Val Petrol, LLC — operator of Napoli’s convenience store in Marlow — of negligence, civil conspiracy, and wrongful death.

OK, I had to read this twice-- confused over the reference to"Nichols" -- I get it now! I'd never seen NP referred to by that name. Thanks for the link.
 
IIUC, as this is a civil case, I think it means that the burden of proof does not need to be BRD as it would in a criminal case!? The plaintiff only has to prove their case by a
"preponderance of evidence"
Therefore it only needs to be proven that it is more likely than not that the families claims are true
IMO JMO
please correct me if I've got this wrong!
 
IMO, this civil suit seems to me to be more about strategy where they can obtain depositions from each of them in attempts to gather info, and force them to talk. JMO
I am hoping that bringing these 8 individuals (plus 1 business) to court makes them talk! I don't think it's about the money for Noah's family (75k), more to FINALLY get the ball rolling legally!
 

Noah Presgrove’s family files civil suit against people allegedly responsible for his death​


According to a newly filed civil suit, the estate of Noah Presgove is seeking thousands of dollars in damages from the defendants who they say beat Noah to death.
I have not followed this case as closely as I am sure many of you have, but I don't recall anyone saying they beat Noah to death. I only recall many theories about what might have happened to him and no one at the party saying much. If some such comments were made, can someone point me to those articles, please?
 

A lady is driving home from work on Hwy 81 after 4 am and says she’s startled by an ATV passing nearby with 3 people on it. The nearby casino picks up audio of the ATV but no visual (and no detail on what time it was captured).

The next time stamp is 5:15 when Kaden hears Jack enter the house saying that Noah is dead. He’s frantic and loud and Kaden wakes the other boys and they climb into Kaden’s jeep to follow Jack. Kaden can only find one of his Hey Dude shoes so he just wears the one. They turn onto Hwy 81 and see two vehicles stopped ahead, one in either direction – a semi truck and a specialty work truck with a crane or something attached to the back of it. Both are illuminating the road and they see Noah’s body as they pull up behind Jack’s car. No one is attempting CPR. Noah is laying there in his same black shorts he had on earlier and one of his shoes and the other one of Kaden’s.

The driver of the specialty truck steps forward and tells the boys they should leave, so they do, thinking that 911 has already been called. But it hasn’t. Upon their return to the house, Kaden remembers the front porch is wet like something was hosed off.

At the scene, the details are murky again but several allege that the specialty truck is soon joined by an another truck with 3 occupants, possibly the black pickup that police put an APB out on later. One gets out of the passenger seat, runs over to the driver’s side for a moment and then approaches Noah’s body and begins removing his black shorts. Noah’s body may have been rolled to the side here in the process. The 3 men leave in the truck but not before the semi driver takes a choppy video of what just unfolded. It supposedly shows 4 men around Noah – two are in uniforms of some sort, like firemen or police. One has the numbers 32 or 23 embroidered on his shirt. One is a heavy set man, the driver. And I’m only guessing that the specialty truck driver is man #4 but I don’t know for sure. (This is all in Kaden’s interview with the police if you want to go listen).

Soon after, another driver pulls over to assist and calls 911. This is the 5:53am 911 call. The other 911 call may be from the semi driver, they don’t know. Nothing more is reported at the scene with time stamps that I can find.


The mom takes charge and asks for the guns, which she collects (and puts in her car I guess).
The kids start cleaning up the house, thinking they’re going to get busted for underage drinking so they get all the cans and bottles in the trash. The mom tells Kaden to put the rest of the beer in his car/cooler and take it with him. The three boys jump in Kaden’s car and he takes them home, getting home around 8 am himself where he tells his mom what happened. Kaden’s phone records support his story.

Oddly, Jack’s phone records don’t. It shows a 5:53 text to his dad saying, “I’ll meet y’all at the lake. Can you bring me a hat please. Someone messed with mine after I went to bed”. Then a phone call from Jack to his dad at 6:05. Jack says he was up early that Monday as he, his dad and grandfather were planning to go fishing. It was on his way to the lake that he came across the two trucks and Noah on the side of the road. But the time doesn’t line up. Kaden has come forward with his story; his interview with the police is available online everywhere and is backed up in multiple MSM stories. Jack sticks to his own.

When the police arrived at the scene, they quickly determined it was not a car accident.
There are no broken car parts, the injuries aren’t consistent with a vehicle pedestrian crash, this body was left here. Was it because the road is not considered “tribal land” where the surrounding area is? Or would it just provide a good cover story, making it look like a hit and run?

The thing that really makes it clear is the shorts. Somewhere along the way, a pair of bright clean white shorts are found near Noah, whether they were in the street at first or folded at his side. It doesn’t matter. Because Noah wasn’t wearing them, someone brought them to the scene. I don’t know if they were going to put them on the body and got interrupted, but Noah was found nude with just the two mis-matched shoes on his feet. You know the rest, if you read the autopsy.

Jack was interviewed by NewsNation and did a long video clip saying Noah was hit by a car or truck. This was after police repeatedly said that it was not a vehicle responsible for Noah’s death; he continues pushing his own narrative, leaving Noah’s family even more confused and without answers. And this is where we are, waiting for more answers.
So, Jack said something really weird about the shorts in the People article I read about his story.
He threw the white shorts in his truck but then got them out and folded them by Noah's body apparently. Like... what. What Noah Presgrove’s Best Friend Says Happened the Night Before Noah Died (Exclusive)

re: Noah's clothing

Noah's family said that they received Noah's black shorts, freshly laundered, by Jack/Jack's family some time after the accident. They were ripped and torn in places. His brother Dailen talks about the shorts a bit in one of the interviews.

The white shorts found near Noah were Jack's shorts with their high school logo on them and they were too big for Noah. I want to say they were basketball shorts or wrestling shorts - some sort of sport. They were clean, no dirt or blood on them at all.

The American flag tank top Noah wore that weekend was taken by Jack/Jack's family and somewhere along the line, cut into pieces and given to Noah's friends to remember him by. This was without Noah's family's knowledge or consent, which they found odd.
Everything about both pairs of shorts makes no sense.
 
I feel like people who think anything here is odd, didn't go to parties like this when they were that age. Fights, people constantly coming and going, shady people showing up. Ask 10 people at a party what happened, you'd get 10 completely different stories.
So pulling up to your dead bestfriend's body and removing his shorts and laying your own pair of shorts next to his dead body is normal??
 
So, Jack said something really weird about the shorts in the People article I read about his story.
He threw the white shorts in his truck but then got them out and folded them by Noah's body apparently. Like... what. What Noah Presgrove’s Best Friend Says Happened the Night Before Noah Died (Exclusive)


Everything about both pairs of shorts makes no sense.
I agree that what we've heard about the shorts making no sense. I had posted on the previous page where the article claimed LE folded them and placed them next to his body. So many conflicting claims about those shorts so it's hard to know which to believe.

investigators had collected Noah’s white shorts from the middle of the road and folded them by Noah’s body
Article source in the linked post: OK, Noah Presgrove, 19, Sept 4, 2023, Comanche, homicide, attended a house party, found on side of road
 
Yes yes yesssss!

In addition, the petition accuses all nine of the defendants of conspiring to host a party for underage drinking.

9 defendants! I don't suppose we can speculate here... 🏃‍♀️💨

#Justice4Noah
Its easy to find the defendants with a search if that helps! I am glad that the witness who was awoken by JN at 5am is not included in the defendants. He has seemed to be most helpful.
Please show me documentation where that happened.
The approved podcast listened to by a user a few pages back documents it all, as does the People article where Jack Newton is interviewed that I linked.
 
I have not followed this case as closely as I am sure many of you have, but I don't recall anyone saying they beat Noah to death. I only recall many theories about what might have happened to him and no one at the party saying much. If some such comments were made, can someone point me to those articles, please?
Bbm.
Afaik, none of the partygoers has said this.
Obviously IF any foul play happened, they're keeping silent.

The linked article does seem to hint that the multiple blunt force injuries could be from an ATV rollover or a beating.
Giving a shower to a young man who may have been dying seems horrifying, imo.
No one thought to call 911 ?
It's the actions of the rest of the young people that has caused speculation.
The possible undressing and placement of shorts that didn't belong to Noah is to me a red flag !

I am and always will be so sorry for Noah's loved ones.
Agonizing for them, to fear something horrible was possibly covered up ?
Imo.

Eta : I want to think it was an accident and the friends lost their collective brains and thought a hit & run would look less suspicious ?
Idk.
 
Its easy to find the defendants with a search if that helps! I am glad that the witness who was awoken by JN at 5am is not included in the defendants. He has seemed to be most helpful.

The approved podcast listened to by a user a few pages back documents it all, as does the People article where Jack Newton is interviewed that I linked.
That's not coming from any official sources though. This case is one big rumor mill that has completely gotten out of control.
 
It's the actions of the rest of the young people that had caused speculation

Bbm.
Afaik, none of the partygoers has said this.
Obviously IF any foul play happened, they're keeping silent.

The linked article does seem to hint that the multiple blunt force injuries could be from an ATV rollover or a beating.
Giving a shower to a young man who may have been dying seems horrifying, imo.
No one thought to call 911 ?
It's the actions of the rest of the young people that has caused speculation.
The possible undressing and placement of shorts that didn't belong to Noah is to me a red flag !

I am and always will be so sorry for Noah's loved ones.
Agonizing for them, to fear something horrible was possibly covered up ?
Imo.

Eta : I want to think it was an accident and the friends lost their collective brains and thought a hit & run would look less suspicious ?
Idk.
It's the actions of the rest of the young people that has caused speculation.
Exactly this!

All the alleged party goers delete phone history
A very quick clear up at the party house using bleach and chemicals
Many different stories told by the party goers
Parents of party hosts and those attending adding extra details to stories from their own pov when reportedly no adults were present until after the call to 911
Lies, stories twisted, threats, lawsuits

Had this been an accident...all of the above didn't need to have happened as the facts would speak for themselves.

IMO JMO of course
 
So pulling up to your dead bestfriend's body and removing his shorts and laying your own pair of shorts next to his dead body is normal??

I don't think OP is correct that Jack removed NP's shorts and replaced them with his shorts. The white shorts NP was wearing at the time of death belonged to Jack. NP had changed into them after the ATV accident.


Jack says he tossed his shorts in his truck to make sure they did not blow away with the passing traffic. Ultimately, the shorts were folded beside Noah.
 
I have read that NP was found deceased along Hwy 81 just north of Terral, Ok. He was in the shoulder of the south bound lane. I have never read if this was north or south of the party house location. I have never discovered if this party house was east or west of the north and south bound Hwy 81. NP home is north of this location 30 + miles. I believe if NP walked to Hwy 81 it would have been most likely he would have walked along the north bound side. I have driven from TX to KS on Hwy 81. That stretch just north of TX is not very developed. A well lit up Casino on your right welcomes you to Ok. Then you slow down for the very small and poorly lit town of Terral. After leaving Terral northward it is a straight but dark stretch of rural Hwy without much traffic. There is a rail line that runs parallel to 81 on its west side for several miles out of Terral. I wonder if LE has ever investigated the possibility of NP being struck by a train? I admit it would be unlikely, but I would think the rail line is close enough ( a few yards) to the south bound lane that a body could get flung that distance. Personal thoughts and opinions. I hope his loved ones and friends can discover the truthful answers to his injuries.
 

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