OK, Noah Presgrove, 19, Sept 4, 2023, Comanche, homicide, attended a house party, found on side of road

[geojeffrey]

If Noah died accidentally, or by his own actions, why would there be this massive and complex coverup?

<modsnip: implying involvement of non POIs>

 

[Chimera]

If Noah died accidentally, or by his own actions, why would there be this massive and complex coverup?

<modsnip: implying involvement of non POIs

Agreed. ^^^
It was the actions or lack thereof; that had me thinking this was not an accident.
Even if there was inebriation, etc., what about the day after ?
Memories would've been more clear then.
Imo.

 

[Chimera]

8/19/25

Jack claimed he happened upon the scene about 6am as he left to go fishing with his father Caleb, whom he called at 6.05am.

'I figured maybe he got a ride or something, Noah's done that before - got mad and left,' he told the Daily Mail last year.

'He was not one you usually worry about. I wasn't really thinking about it.'

This timeline is disputed by another partygoer, Kaden Pressy, who claimed he was woken up at 5.15am by Jack bursting through he door at 5.15am.

'Jack Newton bursts through the door saying 'Noah is dead'. Like, frantic, tearing up,' he told detectives in a leaked recording of a June 21 interview.

Pressy also claimed when he followed Jack to the body, Presgrove had black shorts on, in contrast to being naked with a pair of white shorts on the road nearby.

Since the Daily Mail's initial coverage of Presgrove's death last April incited global media attention, thousands of true-crime enthusiasts have flocked to three Facebook groups and Reddit to endlessly discuss the case.

Many of them are convinced Presgrove was murdered and his body dumped on the road, especially given the lack of blood at the scene.

They have hailed the lawsuit filing as a huge step towards justice for Presgrove, despite its lack of evidence of foul play so far.

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The official timeline is disputed by another partygoer, Kaden Pressy, (pictured) who claimed he was woken up at 5.15am by Jack bursting through he door at 5.15am

Noah Presgrove's friends announce life-changing news after lawsuit

Jack Newton, 20, and Carter Combs, 21, were two of Noah Presgrove's best friends when he was found dead by the side of a lonely highway in Oklahoma on September 4, 2023.

www.dailymail.co.uk

So all we know that has been verified by msm, is that the timeline is disputed, Noah's shorts were different, and no blood at the scene ?
Imo.

 

[Miss Poovy]

So all we know that has been verified by msm, is that the timeline is disputed, Noah's shorts were different, and no blood at the scene ?
Imo.

Pretty much. There’s been some mention of the ATV accident, intoxication, showering.

Here’s an article from People:

Inside the Investigation of Noah Presgrove’s Mysterious Death — and the Unanswered Questions

Although new information regarding what happened to Oklahoma teen Noah Presgrove has been released, key details remain unanswered or in dispute

people.com

 

[Chimera]

Totally agree. None of those injuries indicate a beating to me, and I think the most likely scenario is that he was laying down in the road when he was hit by a truck or two.

A bunch of drunk kids at a party, and somehow they're all murder suspects. Literally nothing I've heard surprises me in the least (inconsistent stories, completely different accounts, etc). This was just standard stuff, and the small town rumor mill has turned this into something it's not.

It's sad.

Good points as always, @MassGuy .

Question : What about the autopsy report that didn't mention road rash of some sort ?
Even if not dragged, wouldn't there be obvious scrapes ?
Also the lack of blood was puzzling as wouldn't there be some ?
Imo.

 

[Chimera]

Here’s my two cents (for as little as it’s worth). Warning: Graphic discussion about his injuries ahead.

The basal skull fracture (also known as a hinge fracture) that completely split his skull into two, the fracture of his frontal bone, the lacerated left temporalis muscle (which we use to chew), the lacerations to the inner side of his lips, the laceration to the bottom of his tongue, and the broken teeth all sound to me like he landed on the road chin first with an extremely large amount of force.

But the 4 x 2 avulsion laceration on the top left side of his scalp and the spinal fractures sound more indicative of falling from a distance and landing on the top of his head (similar to a diving injury).

But then we have the fracture to his left temporal bone (located on the side of the head), which apparently only occurs if there’s a tremendous amount of force. Plus, all of the fractures in his neck, spine, shoulder blades (which are also incredibly difficult to break) and the posterior of nearly every rib. There’s also the lacerations to his upper torso, chest, and head regions. These include lacerations to both lungs, the upper left chamber of his heart, the cardia of the stomach (the part closest to the esophagus), the back of his brain, the brainstem, tongue, lips, and inner ear. These all sound like they were caused by a crushing injury to the upper torso region.

All of this could easily be explained by a pedestrian-motor vehicle accident EXCEPT there are a few important things missing. Key among these is the fact that there’s not a single significant injury to his extremities. No broken bones, no lacerations. The shorts that were found in the road had no observable damage. He sustained a severe, gaping head wound and was bleeding from both ears, but there was little to no blood observed on the road. There was also no evidence of a shattered headlight, no broken glass, no paint chips, skid marks, tire tread. But there was a molar and pieces of a broken necklace found mere feet away from his body. None of that makes ANY sense.

AT A MINIMUM, I think he was placed there after death. Of that I’m nearly certain. He may have been hit by a car or semi-truck or ATV or what have you, but it didn’t happen where he was found. I personally believe an accidental death of some kind probably happened and someone (or someones) panicked and tried to make his death look like a hit and run because they were scared they’d be in trouble. But I’m still at a total loss about what type of accident that might’ve been.

Somebody said something on a podcast that really made me question the reason for the shower and meal story. She said to think about the drunkest you’ve ever been. You were probably stumbling around and couldn’t drive or walk in a straight line. Or you might’ve been throwing up or passing out. But have you ever been so drunk that you couldn’t stand in the shower or shovel a spoon into your mouth? Most people pass out before it gets to that point. But if you had a severe head injury, you might be so disoriented that you needed help doing those things. It’s just something to think about.

Medical Examiner Report: https://kfor.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2024/05/full-presgrove-ME-report_Redacted.pdf

Thanks for the breakdown of the autopsy.
So sad.

Trying to understand if a truck hit him, could it happene that there were no scrapes or blood at the place Noah was found ?
Or is that impossible ?
Could a person just cease to bleed if death was sudden ?
Asking for .... myself.
Imo.

 

[Miss Poovy]

Thanks for the breakdown of the autopsy.
So sad.

Trying to understand if a truck hit him, could it happene that there were no scrapes or blood at the place Noah was found ?
Or is that impossible ?
Could a person just cease to bleed if death was sudden ?
Asking for .... myself.
Imo.

It may mean his injuries were internal AKA as closed injuries, thus, he would have bled internally.

 

[AngTxGal]

If Noah died accidentally, or by his own actions, why would there be this massive and complex coverup?

<modsnip: implying involvement of non POIs>

Who says there is any massive coverup? LE are not.

It is contrary to common sense, IMO, to say all these party goers were intoxicated teens and then in the same sentence say they are coconspirators who pulled off the perfect murder.

How many drunk teens remember what they did?
How many keep minute by minute tabs on all of their friends at a huge party?

I remember partying as a teen with friends, and waking up in a location I did not recognize, with zero idea how I got there.

Just saying

 

[Valiant]

It is quite possible that no one at the party knows what happened. Maybe not likely, but possible.
It's had to image that many people knew what happened or there would be talk.

 

[tricia]

PLEASE REMEMBER IF YOU STATE SOMETHING AS FACT, YOU MUST POST LINKS TO BACK UP YOUR STATED FACTS

 

[arielilane]

Truly unbelievable case. Noah's family deserves to know what happened. jmo

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1967944534408696221

 

[AcerPacer]

Truly unbelievable case. Noah's family deserves to know what happened. jmo

SHOCKER! Noah Presgrove Update! Attorney Blames Noah! on Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan … https://iheart.com/podcast/1119-body-bags-with-joseph-sco-87375583/episode/shocker-noah-presgrove-update-attorney-blames-noah-293503844/?cmp=android_share&sc=android_social_share&pr=false

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967944534408696221

Blames Noah??
It really is disgusting this!

IMO

 

[Live_and_Learn]

This seems like rage bait, sensationalizing how the attorneys are trying to protect their clients during the standard course of practice in defending this broad lawsuit. IMO

 

[Seattle1]

Thanks for the breakdown of the autopsy.
So sad.

Trying to understand if a truck hit him, could it happene that there were no scrapes or blood at the place Noah was found ?
Or is that impossible ?
Could a person just cease to bleed if death was sudden ?
Asking for .... myself.
Imo.

I think what happened to Noah might be similar to what experts have opined happened to SC's Stephen Smith-- he was walking along the road when struck in the head by the side mirror of a fast-passing truck/vehicle. Also, I think Jack Newton has much as admitted to changing Noah out of Jack's black shorts to Noah's white shorts that he left folded on the road near his body.

The question remains -- who was driving the hit-and-run vehicle that struck Noah?

From the AR/Toxicology, we know that Noah tested negative for all drugs tested, and had the following results for ETHYL ALCOHOL:

Blood: 0.14 g/dL - (Heart)
Vitreous: 0.18 g/dL

BAC and Its Effects On the Body​

When alcohol enters the body, it affects all organs, including the brain. As the brain becomes more and more poisoned with alcohol, a person who drinks alcohol will experience certain effects.

[...]

• BAC .14% - .17%: Your euphoric feelings may give way to unpleasant feelings. You have difficulty talking, walking or even standing up. Your judgment and perception are severely impaired. You may become more aggressive and are at increased risk of accidentally injuring yourself or others. This is the point when you may experience a blackout.

Blood Alcohol Concentration | University Health and Counseling Services | Division of Student Affairs | Case Western Reserve University

What is Blood Alcohol Concentration (BAC)? BAC refers to the percentage of alcohol in a person's bloodstream. A BAC of 0.10% means that an individua...

case.edu

 

[LucyOso]

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Working Theory Summary:

Noah wrecks the ATV around 3 AM. Jack is angry.

Tension builds — possibly due to the wreck or personal drama (cheating rumors).

Noah, extremely drunk, is lured or forced out of the house.

In a haze of recklessness, he is either dragged behind the ATV or run over and moved to conceal the incident.

His body is dumped 1.2 miles away, and someone removes his shorts — possibly to hide signs of trauma or assault.

Jack, already aware, returns to the house at 5:15 AM to announce Noah is dead.

#2.. the Atv crash. If he "fell" from a vehicle moving at high speed, impacted on to concrete head first and was somehow snagged on the vehicle causing him to be dragged along......

IMO JMO of course

I still don't think that would have caused injuries as severe as he had, but it's possible.

Assuming that's what happened, though--why didn't anyone at the party just say so?

What type of ATV was this? I am reading an ATV Ranger like vehicle. If so, these things can weigh from 600lb to 2300lbs. Sounds like people all say there was some type of an ATV accident. A partial ejection crush injury is very feasible in this situation. Limbs could be intact, but crush, internal injuries, and fracture injuries could occur.

Lets say the ATV rolled and he did get crush injuries. What occurred next? Did the boys right the vehicle and attempt to head back to the house? If so, was he still alive, or they perceived him to be alive, got him back onto the vehicle, someone else was driving, and as they were moving fell off again resulting in additional in juries because he was intoxicated and had a Brian injury, or possibly dead, so didn't self arrest and literally toppled on his head and neck again? Got run over by the rear wheels and dragged?

Or he was very injured, went back to the house, they went out again later, for whatever reason, then fell off the vehicle like described above, they got additional injuries. They caused damage, but since he was already mortally wounded, not a lot of external was present. Or maybe even they attempted to bring him to the major road, hoping his accident looked liked a hit and run.

Not one of the kids had adult brains. They were also drinking. I grew up in the mountains during very wild times, and things like this did occur. Roll overs and accidents, kids not knowing what to do. Not understanding the severity until too late. Load someone up, take them home. Or just try to keep partying.

I don't think with those types of injuries he was deliberately beaten or killed. I think there were one or two situations of misadventure. I do think most of his injuries occurred having the ATV roll on top of him. I do think once someone realized he was dead, someone panicked, then brought him to the road to cover it up. There maybe he fell or was rolled off the ATV and possibly was accidentally run over or dragged a bit.

 

[Sarg]

I think what happened to Noah might be similar to what experts have opined happened to SC's Stephen Smith-- he was walking along the road when struck in the head by the side mirror of a fast-passing truck/vehicle. Also, I think Jack Newton has much as admitted to changing Noah out of Jack's black shorts to Noah's white shorts that he left folded on the road near his body.

The question remains -- who was driving the hit-and-run vehicle that struck Noah?

From the AR/Toxicology, we know that Noah tested negative for all drugs tested, and had the following results for ETHYL ALCOHOL:

Blood: 0.14 g/dL - (Heart)
Vitreous: 0.18 g/dL

BAC and Its Effects On the Body​

When alcohol enters the body, it affects all organs, including the brain. As the brain becomes more and more poisoned with alcohol, a person who drinks alcohol will experience certain effects.

[...]

• BAC .14% - .17%: Your euphoric feelings may give way to unpleasant feelings. You have difficulty talking, walking or even standing up. Your judgment and perception are severely impaired. You may become more aggressive and are at increased risk of accidentally injuring yourself or others. This is the point when you may experience a blackout.

Blood Alcohol Concentration | University Health and Counseling Services | Division of Student Affairs | Case Western Reserve University

What is Blood Alcohol Concentration (BAC)? BAC refers to the percentage of alcohol in a person's bloodstream. A BAC of 0.10% means that an individua...

case.edu

"I think what happened to Noah might be similar to what experts have opined happened to SC's Stephen Smith-- he was walking along the road when struck in the head by the side mirror of a fast-passing truck/vehicle. Also, I think Jack Newton has much as admitted to changing Noah out of Jack's black shorts to Noah's white shorts that he left folded on the road near his body. "

I have not seen where Jack indicated that he change Noah's shorts and laid them on the road. That is huge?!?

 

[Live_and_Learn]

Because that is a load of rubbish. Why do people keep making up things about Jack and Noah's other real friends?

 

[BeccaD]

Things I can't make sense of are:
-How can his shorts come off but not his shoes?
-If he were run over by a car wouldn't there be tire marks on his body?
The shorts came off over the shoes? The poor kid was naked but shorts were there. Accident or not, somebody knows something. Someone removed the shorts. Maybe not a "massive" coverup, but someone is covering up something.IMO

 

[WFTX]

Things I can't make sense of are:
-How can his shorts come off but not his shoes?
-If he were run over by a car wouldn't there be tire marks on his body?
The shorts came off over the shoes? The poor kid was naked but shorts were there. Accident or not, somebody knows something. Someone removed the shorts. Maybe not a "massive" coverup, but someone is covering up something.I

In my personal opinion I will answer your questions in order.
-It has been stated by the people who were left at the party that when Noah was finished being helped shower that he was acting silly and wouldn't put the white wrestling shorts that belonged to his best friend. He has been said to have come out of the bathroom/shower and only being wild and crazy, ran around the different areas doing "the helicopter" if you know what that means. He wouldn't put his , excuse me, JN's white shorts on because all the girls were yelling at him to put them on.
I've never read anything about if he was dressed when he went to AC bedroom and asked to sleep in her bed. My belief is that Noah still hadn't put any shorts on still. That was part of the reason why she refused him to get in her bed, amongst other things, and flat out told him that he could sleep on the floor in her bedroom but not in her bed with her. Noah got p/o'd at the thought of him having to sleep on the floor period. Still my opinion only, that's when I believe Noah took off walking, still not putting the shorts on. Noah knew he needed to have shoes on, even to walk on the gravel road, nevermind if he was going to lay in a field somewhere like JN thought he might. So Noah either still had on his right Addidas running shoe, not taking it off before the shower. The grass and dirt found in his laced up sneaker was there from when the side by side rolled on its side. I believe that accident is where Noah lost his left Addidas running shoe. It was pitch dark out there and he figured he'd find it after the sun came up. So going to walk it off , his anger that is , due to the sleeping situation he looked around and grabbed the first shoe he thought would fit and it was KP's left Hey Dudes show. So he's po'd walking down the gravel road nude. He got to the blacktop, Hwy 81, and either had suffered a concussion in the side by side accident or very possibly had a collapsed lung. He got dizzy or a bad headache and felt like he was gonna die. IMO he knew something was wrong with him but he didn't have his cellphone to call his friends and let one of them know he was hurt. I believe that Noah either sat down on the shoulder of the road trying to catch his breath but panicking because he was a 4 letter athlete in high school and he knew how to control his breathing especially from cross country running and wrestling. Or it was a concussion and he laid down and or fell down and passed out. The debris in the Hey Dude was from him being drunk and walking on the shoulder of the road, possibly stumbling off into the barrow ditch. Which we refer to as the bar ditch and got the grass, weeds dirt in the two loose laces of KP's shoe.
So that would explain why he had shoes on but wasn't wearing the shorts at all that early morning.

- Noah's autopsy report states that there is a black substance on his back that was not any of the decomp process. It is my belief that the black substance is from a tire striking him in the back.

- again I believe that there is a tire mark on his middle back area which is stated in the autopsy as an unknown black material on his back.

- the shorts weren't removed by anyone and they didn't fly off over his shoes, leaving the shoes still on.

- as you said may not be a massive coverup but someone messed around at the scene.

- I'm not sure someone knows something. It is possible that the vehicle that accidentally struck a naked 19 yr old young man laying or sitting on the shoulder of the pitch black highway was intoxicated and was leaving the casino very close by. That person was too drunk to be driving period and the odds of striking a human out there was nearly impossible so in a drunken state of mind, said to their self it had to have been a deer, hog, raccoon, coyote you name it. So the person continued drunk driving convinced there was a dead animal on the shoulder of the road.

 

[AcerPacer]

In my personal opinion I will answer your questions in order.
-It has been stated by the people who were left at the party that when Noah was finished being helped shower that he was acting silly and wouldn't put the white wrestling shorts that belonged to his best friend. He has been said to have come out of the bathroom/shower and only being wild and crazy, ran around the different areas doing "the helicopter" if you know what that means. He wouldn't put his , excuse me, JN's white shorts on because all the girls were yelling at him to put them on.
I've never read anything about if he was dressed when he went to AC bedroom and asked to sleep in her bed. My belief is that Noah still hadn't put any shorts on still. That was part of the reason why she refused him to get in her bed, amongst other things, and flat out told him that he could sleep on the floor in her bedroom but not in her bed with her. Noah got p/o'd at the thought of him having to sleep on the floor period. Still my opinion only, that's when I believe Noah took off walking, still not putting the shorts on. Noah knew he needed to have shoes on, even to walk on the gravel road, nevermind if he was going to lay in a field somewhere like JN thought he might. So Noah either still had on his right Addidas running shoe, not taking it off before the shower. The grass and dirt found in his laced up sneaker was there from when the side by side rolled on its side. I believe that accident is where Noah lost his left Addidas running shoe. It was pitch dark out there and he figured he'd find it after the sun came up. So going to walk it off , his anger that is , due to the sleeping situation he looked around and grabbed the first shoe he thought would fit and it was KP's left Hey Dudes show. So he's po'd walking down the gravel road nude. He got to the blacktop, Hwy 81, and either had suffered a concussion in the side by side accident or very possibly had a collapsed lung. He got dizzy or a bad headache and felt like he was gonna die. IMO he knew something was wrong with him but he didn't have his cellphone to call his friends and let one of them know he was hurt. I believe that Noah either sat down on the shoulder of the road trying to catch his breath but panicking because he was a 4 letter athlete in high school and he knew how to control his breathing especially from cross country running and wrestling. Or it was a concussion and he laid down and or fell down and passed out. The debris in the Hey Dude was from him being drunk and walking on the shoulder of the road, possibly stumbling off into the barrow ditch. Which we refer to as the bar ditch and got the grass, weeds dirt in the two loose laces of KP's shoe.
So that would explain why he had shoes on but wasn't wearing the shorts at all that early morning.

- Noah's autopsy report states that there is a black substance on his back that was not any of the decomp process. It is my belief that the black substance is from a tire striking him in the back.

- again I believe that there is a tire mark on his middle back area which is stated in the autopsy as an unknown black material on his back.

- the shorts weren't removed by anyone and they didn't fly off over his shoes, leaving the shoes still on.

- as you said may not be a massive coverup but someone messed around at the scene.

- I'm not sure someone knows something. It is possible that the vehicle that accidentally struck a naked 19 yr old young man laying or sitting on the shoulder of the pitch black highway was intoxicated and was leaving the casino very close by. That person was too drunk to be driving period and the odds of striking a human out there was nearly impossible so in a drunken state of mind, said to their self it had to have been a deer, hog, raccoon, coyote you name it. So the person continued drunk driving convinced there was a dead animal on the shoulder of the road.

Some of this sounds plausible!
May I ask where your information is from please? You seem to have knowledge of conversations that happened that night!?