Identified! OK - OSBI Needs Help to ID Woman In Photo *Resolved*

[Reannan]

cdt0283, right now, the image I want enhanced is that thing coming out of her mouth.

 

[Reannan]

Thanks Jaded for all of your work, and for having contacted the sheriff's department. How on earth, did a murdered woman from Iraq end up with her picture at a small town gas station in Oklahoma?

 

[trixie]

They do know where the picture came from and how it was obtained. It was taken in Iraq, date unknown. I'm not sure how the news site interpreted the information as they did - or if that was how it was presented to them, as I didn't see the original McClain County press release. Does anyone remember if the Sheriff's press release was the same as was reported by the media?

I haven't received an email back, but promise as soon as I do I'll let you know. I am just worried that if the information I was given is not known by the general public and it's not on their website, I would hate to impede their investigation IF the investigation is still active. I did pose that question to the Sheriff.

Oh brother! I wish we had known that before! So just what information are they looking for anyway? This poor girl is long buried somewhere in Iraq, IMO.
So they know where it came from and how it was obtained!!!? And what did they want us to do, see if we recognize this woman? How would we??? Jeez.....!

 

[Jaded]

Oh brother! I wish we had known that before! So just what information are they looking for anyway? This poor girl is long buried somewhere in Iraq, IMO.
So they know where it came from and how it was obtained!!!? And what did they want us to do, see if we recognize this woman? How would we??? Jeez.....!

That's what I don't understand either, and if the investigation into this is active or if the information came forth after the press release.

 

[trixie]

That's what I don't understand either, and if the investigation into this is active or if the information came forth after the press release.

Well thank you anyway for all the information you gathered for us Jaded. I think this is a dead end road now. I'm just really stumped as to why they posted it and what they wanted from the public.

 

[T-Rex]

Wow, Jaded, you're really good!
Thanks!

 

[lizzybeth]

Does anyone else feel duped? I worried over this girl for days (not that she's not worthy of someone worrying over her now). Who she was, who did this to her and if we could somehow help. Now, they obviously know where the pic was taken and probably who she is. So what do they want from the public? Just to know who would have access to the pic; who would have dropped it there? Well, with no witnesses and no more information than we have and this girl being killed in Iraq I don't see how it's possible for anyone to know. Unless whoever had the pic in their possession confesses "hey it was mine. I purchased it in Iraq (I still don't understand why anyone would do that) and am not responsible for her death."

:waitasec:

 

[Indy Gal]

Wow....thats all I have right now. I agree Lizzy, why do this....

 

[Reannan]

I think we should go a bit easy on LE because they may NOT have known who it was at first. The information about Iraq may have evolved after the posting. I suspect they removed the picture after the gained information. I don't think we were duped, and I for one, have learned A LOT!!! I know more about robes, bedspreads, and bone screws than I ever dreamed of knowing! I also have to say that it has been a valuable opportunity for me to learn and practice face recognition. I have often worried that the part of the brain that remembers faces is defective in my brain. I just don't remember what people look like! In this particular case, I have reduced the poor lady's face to minute grids and have compared those to countless missing people and unsolved murder cases in Oklahoma, Texas, and other areas of the US. I think I have benefited from this process because I now look at people's faces differently! Go figure. I also want to say, that I have benefited from this process from each of YOU. You guys are the greatest. I really mean that. With all of the horror that is obviously running amuk in the world, it is encouraging to know that there are still people who care. One other point, and I will shut up. My husband thinks I am ready for the looney bin with this stuff! He just doesn't get it. It is also nice to be connected to other SMART, wonderful people who are also TALENTED and gifted with INTELLIGENT analysis of a mystery....and who want to see crimes solved. Thank you all for being here.:blowkiss:

 

[txsvicki]

Thank you for clarifying that. I too am impressed with your software and your knowledge. However, I have to say, especially now that I've seen these things blown up and outlined on the screen that I still think that is white stitching on the robe and the other thing is a fly. I also don't see a hairclip, i just see hair. Anybody?

I have been seeing something squarish up in the back part of the hair. It doesn't look like anything that should be there unless it could be some sort of clip holding on one those clip on curly ponytails. I have no idea what those look like though.

 

[trixie]

Yes and well I guess it's time for full disclosure on my part.

My little sister was shot in the head and killed by her boyfriend in 1992. We never recovered her body. Maybe that's why this picture and story was so riviting to me. I don't know. Thank goodness he was stupid enough to call a buddy and show him my sisters body and ask him to help bury her. Of course,his "friend" says he said no and went on about his business. A few months later his "friend" got busted for drugs (again) and was looking at going to prison for 16 years. So of course then his "friend" said "If I give you some info about a murder I know about can I get some time off my sentence?" They said sure, if it all checks out. Thus he began to spill his guts about everything he had seen that night and all conversations that were had and fingering exactly who did it. My sisters boyfriend was convicted of second degree murder (even with no body) and is serving a 27 year sentence in Oregon State Prison. His "friend" got his sentence reduced by 6 years for his help and info. I think that is part of what drew me to this case so intently. I just wish we could have found her.

 

[cdt0283]

Trixie, I'm so sorry about your loss. I cannot even begin to imagine dealing with a tragedy like that. You are strong.

 

[trixie]

Well thank you. It happened a long time ago. I'm a little miffed about this case tho. Just what does LE want from the public? I fell like I was sent on a wild goose chase.

 

[trixie]

I think we should go a bit easy on LE because they may NOT have known who it was at first. The information about Iraq may have evolved after the posting. I suspect they removed the picture after the gained information. I don't think we were duped, and I for one, have learned A LOT!!! I know more about robes, bedspreads, and bone screws than I ever dreamed of knowing! I also have to say that it has been a valuable opportunity for me to learn and practice face recognition. I have often worried that the part of the brain that remembers faces is defective in my brain. I just don't remember what people look like! In this particular case, I have reduced the poor lady's face to minute grids and have compared those to countless missing people and unsolved murder cases in Oklahoma, Texas, and other areas of the US. I think I have benefited from this process because I now look at people's faces differently! Go figure. I also want to say, that I have benefited from this process from each of YOU. You guys are the greatest. I really mean that. With all of the horror that is obviously running amuk in the world, it is encouraging to know that there are still people who care. One other point, and I will shut up. My husband thinks I am ready for the looney bin with this stuff! He just doesn't get it. It is also nice to be connected to other SMART, wonderful people who are also TALENTED and gifted with INTELLIGENT analysis of a mystery....and who want to see crimes solved. Thank you all for being here.:blowkiss:

LOL! I think that is sooo funny! We all learned some new things I guess!

 

[docwho3]

This case has been one of those rare websleuths cases where computer skills and websearch skills could actually have some small sucesses to help move a case along. Some of you recognized the type of clothing as being of a certain style from a certain area of the world and others recognized the likely heritage of the victim. People put in alot of time looking up screws and fasteners and clips and threads and strings and even looking up stains and impressions that showed up through the back of the image in some cases. We started with one doctored picture and got hold of a better version and now have two examples to look at to remember what tell tale things show up visually when a pic has been altered (apart from looking at the raw numbers in the file data) and that can help in a future case. And even though we may not hear about it any time soon this case may not be over even if it moves across borders. And we kept the case in the public eye online by just talking about it.

And I noticed that no one was defending a suspect just to satisfy a gut hunch and no one was attacking any suspect on the same flimsy sort of whim but everyone seemed intent on hunting for facts and to understand and correctly interpret the few facts we had to work with. Everyones thoughts were heard and thoughtfully considered. I feel proud to have been a small part of the group.

Sometimes I learn very much from the mistakes I make in a case. I remember I once learned not to assume that L.E. searches for bodies or cars are perfect. I once learned the hard way that even after several searches and years of time they missed a whole van with 2 dead occupants in about 11 feet of water. On another case I learned that the official guestimate on how long someone has been dead can be off by many years and I had to learn in this case to not let a spooky image cause me to look for an extraordinary explanation when a more simple one will do. I have long known of the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) protocol but this pic with its possibilities of torture had me overly concerned. I am glad someone here reminded me to keep it simple.

I can see where L.E. felt they needed to investigate this image and why and how it was left behind to be found.

If nothing else this case so far was mentally a good stretch of the legs.

 

[trixie]

Good post! I think Jaded is still waiting to hear more back from the sheriffs dept. so we may learn more about her yet. Nice sleuthin' with ya! (That sounds kinda dirty doesn't it?) lol!

 

[txsvicki]

I'm sorry to hear for sure that the girl is deceased. She was so beautiful. I hope we are able to learn what happened to her. Since the sheriff said it was homicide, then I suppose that leaves out being a casuality of the bombing that is going on over in Iraq or a suicide. I'd also like to know how LE now knows those details. Hopefully some worker or soldier over there found the pic and kept it without somehow being involved.

 

[philamena]

Yes and well I guess it's time for full disclosure on my part.

My little sister was shot in the head and killed by her boyfriend in 1992. We never recovered her body. Maybe that's why this picture and story was so riviting to me. I don't know. Thank goodness he was stupid enough to call a buddy and show him my sisters body and ask him to help bury her. Of course,his "friend" says he said no and went on about his business. A few months later his "friend" got busted for drugs (again) and was looking at going to prison for 16 years. So of course then his "friend" said "If I give you some info about a murder I know about can I get some time off my sentence?" They said sure, if it all checks out. Thus he began to spill his guts about everything he had seen that night and all conversations that were had and fingering exactly who did it. My sisters boyfriend was convicted of second degree murder (even with no body) and is serving a 27 year sentence in Oregon State Prison. His "friend" got his sentence reduced by 6 years for his help and info. I think that is part of what drew me to this case so intently. I just wish we could have found her.

Sincere hugs, healing thoughts and prayers to you trixie. I am so sorry.

 

[philamena]

You all have done alot of armchair detective work. I went back and read the last 3 pages...can someone tell me who said this beautiful young woman was killed in Iraq? Something doesn't pass the smell test about this. There is no way LE in the USA would run a picture of an American wounded/killed in Iraq. NO way. Or am I wayyyyy off?

 

[czechmate7]

I'm sorry to hear for sure that the girl is deceased. She was so beautiful. I hope we are able to learn what happened to her. Since the sheriff said it was homicide, then I suppose that leaves out being a casuality of the bombing that is going on over in Iraq or a suicide. I'd also like to know how LE now knows those details. Hopefully some worker or soldier over there found the pic and kept it without somehow being involved.

I posted this earlier, but when I was in Kuwait and Bahrain it was nothing to be able to purchase pictures of deceased people. Vendors along the street or little nic-nac stores sold them on racks like postcards. It's not like they have police and detectives trying to solve every murder in that part of the world (especially not a crime against a woman). I would bet a service member did purchase this particular photo..

Trixie~ I'm so sorry to hear about your loss...prayers and hugs to you..