GUILTY OK - Patrick Misner for raping 4yo girl, Sapulpa, 2012

[jjenny]

So, do police have any physical evidence against this guy? What DNA did they get of the 4 year old?

 

[JeannaT]

So, do police have any physical evidence against this guy? What DNA did they get of the 4 year old?

It's not clear. He hasn't been charged with a crime yet. He's being held in jail, pending charges.

 

[gitana1]

Bless Her Heart. :heartbeat::rose::heartbeat:

I hope that his arrest and conviction will help her heal and feel more in control of her life. This is going to be such a devastating tragedy for her to overcome.

My prayers go out to her each and every night.

I think about how she will never feel the security and peacefulness of night-night time again.

I feel certain they have evidence. They know that the 4 year old won't be able to testify against him in court. The lie detector test can't be discussed in court. They had no basis to arrest unless they had something else, probably something circumstantial. Examples....Could have been blood in the drains, someone who heard the screams, a witness who saw lights go on after the mother left, blood in the man's bedroom, blood under his nails or something that substaniates what the inadmissible evidence says.

Four year old kids can and do testify in almost every state. They would likely do it via monitor, in another room.

This is a vile, disgusting case. I saw the guy's FB pictures. It astounds me that someone can live with a little kid, hold her little body in his arms, make another baby with her mother, and then want to brutally rape her? I don't get it. Was he attracted to the mother because she had a baby girl? People don't brutally attack little children in this manner out of nowhere. He is a pedophile or sociopathic sexual sadist, IMO.

I wonder what evidence they have. The family and friends seems/seemed so adamant. But then again, so did the Anthonys.

This is also why I think it is very dangerous and unwise for single moms to bring step-dads/boyfriends into the picture. You just never know and 9 times out of 10, it's the step-dad/boyfriend.

You wanna' date? Fine, date. Just don't bring him home. Kids are small for such a short time. They should be a parents' first and foremost responsibility. If I was a single mom, I would consider my romantic life essentially over until my kid was of age. It's easy for a predator to fool someone into thinking there is nothing wrong. My guess is there were no discernible signs and that's what's so scary about bringing a new guy into your life when you have kids.

 

[mysteriew]

Since rape is often more about anger and frustration than it is about sex I wondered if perhaps the parents had been arguing either the night before or that morning. Esp. since this appeared to be such a violent rape. For him a way of venting his anger and to get back at the mother.

 

[katydid23]

And it was really hard for this mom, because I think she was only about 20 or 21 when she got together with him. I mean imagine being 20 and having a little child on your own. And here comes this nice committed guy, who wants to have a baby with you...so you would have a new family, a sibling for your daughter and a father in the home. I can see why very young woman might feel it was a good thing. It is a hard call to make.

My mom had 3 young kids when she married my stepfather. And I have to say that he was the BEST thing that could have happened for our family. To this day he is such an important part of my and my kids life. I can't imagine my childhood and my adulthood without him. So I think it is a hard call to make for a single mom.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Mother's Boyfriend Arrested In Assault Of 4-Year-Old Creek County Girl
Posted: Apr 10, 2012 1:18 PM EDT
Updated: Apr 10, 2012 9:36 PM EDT
Russell Hulstine, NewsOn6.com - email

SAPULPA, Oklahoma - The Creek County Sheriff's Office says it has made an arrest in connection with the assault of a 4-year-old Creek County girl in her mobile home early Friday morning.

The suspect has been identified as 24-year-old Tommy Braden, the boyfriend of the girl's mother. He is in Creek County Jail and will go before a judge Wednesday.

On Friday morning, Braden was the one who called police to report the rape. He's also the girl's mother's live-in boyfriend.

Deputies say when they arrived at the house; the mother was already at work. Only Braden, the victim and the couple's two-year-old son were home.

The family dog was also found stabbed to death, and investigators also noticed the girl's bedroom window was broken, but authorities are not releasing if it was busted from the inside or out.


http://www.news9.com/story/17375618...est-in-assault-of-4-year-old-girl-last-friday


This poor child will have a lifetime of horrendous memories...SO glad she was able to give the information and arrest this ....:maddening:

How does someone wake up one day and decide to sexually assault a child in this most vicious way...to require surgery...I am very grateful this child was able to give the details that lead to this 's arrest...and hoping he'll stay there for a very long time to come...mugshot is at the link...:jail:

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Since rape is often more about anger and frustration than it is about sex I wondered if perhaps the parents had been arguing either the night before or that morning. Esp. since this appeared to be such a violent rape. For him a way of venting his anger and to get back at the mother.

How does someone just wake one day and viciously rape a child they have cared for? This had to be in his mind...I can't imagine just waking up thinking, okay, today's the day to rape my stepdaughter???? How in the world does that happen???

Was there any suspicions? Did he show any outward red flags?

I just will never understand...:banghead:

 

[2goldfish]

poor baby girl :hug:

I wish very much to see what he's charged with and what the evidence is....first report set my hinky meter going but I read here a great deal I KNOW shouldnt let that influence me (as in to always assume it was boyfriend/stepdad...because I cant asume "always" about anything)

the arrest didnt surprise me but the other details make it seem like it doesnt fit at all.

I (hope?) they have DNA etc because otherwise I fear that LE may have fallen victim to the same thing as I do...too much knowledge of ugly...and make immediate assumptions that may not pan out.

 

[mysteriew]

How does someone just wake one day and viciously rape a child they have cared for? This had to be in his mind...I can't imagine just waking up thinking, okay, today's the day to rape my stepdaughter???? How in the world does that happen???

Was there any suspicions? Did he show any outward red flags?

I just will never understand...:banghead:

This is the part I had the most trouble with. Somehow waking at that time in the AM, only to rape and torture a child I just couldn't see it happening.

This is totally and completely conjecture. But I wondered if perhaps the two didn't argrue the night before. Maybe he didn't sleep but lay there in a rage. She gets up and goes to work, he lays there angry but she is not there to vent on. Then he decides to get back at her in the way that will hurt her the most. Maybe rape was on his mind when he went to the child or maybe it wasn't.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

poor baby girl :hug:

I wish very much to see what he's charged with and what the evidence is....first report set my hinky meter going but I read here a great deal I KNOW shouldnt let that influence me (as in to always assume it was boyfriend/stepdad...because I cant asume "always" about anything)

the arrest didnt surprise me but the other details make it seem like it doesnt fit at all.

I (hope?) they have DNA etc because otherwise I fear that LE may have fallen victim to the same thing as I do...too much knowledge of ugly...and make immediate assumptions that may not pan out.

Tommy Braden is expected to go in front of a judge Wednesday morning. Deputies say the maximum sentence for this crime is life in prison.

The child is the one who told the detective who did this...I also wonder why the dog was stabbbed, did he try to save the girl?

Such an horrendous, despicable and vicious attack on this child..who is a step child to this man who fathered a son with their mother...how do you just wake one day with pedophile thoughts with such viciousness?

I too hope they have DNA evidence to back this child's words and that vicious assault...

 

[JeannaT]

Hmmm. The comments section under this article.

http://www.ktul.com/story/17377357/live-in-boyfriend-accused-in-attack-on-4-year-old-girl

 

[norest4thewicked]

So...according to one of the comments, the DNA is in and matches him? What a surprise...

 

[Belinda]

I sure wish they would release more information on the investigation and whether or not there is a DNA match. Surely, they have this information by now?

 

[MsFacetious]

Here is why this is bothering me...
Yes, we see the Peterson and Anthony type families who defend relentlessly...
However, child rape cases are completely different than spousal murders, serial killers, raping an adult, or robbing a bank.

When was the last time we had a case with the following criteria:

Brutal sexual assault of a child younger than 5.
Child is very seriously injured, requiring surgery or worse.

Then a suspect is arrested and it's the "typical" boyfriend/stepfather suspect.

Immediately there are friends, family, neighbors, babysitter, coworkers... out there defending the man.
Often using their real names to defend the man arrested for raping and nearly killing a preschooler.
There really hasn't been anybody talking bad about him. Just a few people willing to consider the possibility of his guilt.

When else has that happened?

I can think of one time... and it was ONLY family defending him and they have backed off less than a month later.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165360&highlight=defending

I can think of many where nobody defended them. This case seems different in the way people are defending him.
I find it intriguing. After cases like Brooke's, I am more than willing to wait and see what the evidence is.

Every once in a while that obvious suspect isn't guilty.
Sometimes that crazy family insisting they are innocent... is actually right. :twocents:

 

[JeannaT]

Here is why this is bothering me...
Yes, we see the Peterson and Anthony type families who defend relentlessly...
However, child rape cases are completely different than spousal murders, serial killers, raping an adult, or robbing a bank.

When was the last time we had a case with the following criteria:

Brutal sexual assault of a child younger than 5.
Child is very seriously injured, requiring surgery or worse.

Then a suspect is arrested and it's the "typical" boyfriend/stepfather suspect.

Immediately there are friends, family, neighbors, babysitter, coworkers... out there defending the man.
Often using their real names to defend the man arrested for raping and nearly killing a preschooler.
There really hasn't been anybody talking bad about him. Just a few people willing to consider the possibility of his guilt.

When else has that happened?

I can think of one time... and it was ONLY family defending him and they have backed off less than a month later.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165360&highlight=defending

I can think of many where nobody defended them. This case seems different in the way people are defending him.
I find it intriguing. After cases like Brooke's, I am more than willing to wait and see what the evidence is.

Every once in a while that obvious suspect isn't guilty.
Sometimes that crazy family insisting they are innocent... is actually right. :twocents:

It's interesting that he hasn't been charged with anything yet. I don't quite know what to make of that.

 

[katydid23]

This case does confuse me. There are so many things which point to it being him, and yet some which don't. I really wish we knew what time mom left for work. And of course, if the DNA came back a match.

 

[AnaTeresa]

Yes, I find this one very confusing. I wouldn't think LE would jump the gun on this, but you never know, things like that can and do happen. If he is innocent, I hope he has good legal assistance.

 

[southernnana]

:what:

Rumor read but source not verified at this time is that a trailer park resident saw a bloody dead dachshund on the porch that had been gutted. Hopefully, if I can find the source again, there will be a link to additional remarks.

This link has the news video where the trailer park resident describes seeing the dead dachshund on the porch ... it is at the end of the video.

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/sto...Creek-County-girl/KaFX5llZF061YosqTSugiQ.cspx


One more item to add to the confusion. I suspect this resident had useful information for LE to use concerning the time frame when she saw the dog. However, it is not included in the video. Also, is this the same dead dog that had been left behind a neighboring trailer park?

Just questioning ......No formal charges yet? No confirmation of DNA match yet? Or, does LE not pubically announce there is a DNA match for the suspect? Is it just held as trial evidence? I really can't recall.


:frown:

 

[JeannaT]

This link has the news video where the trailer park resident describes seeing the dead dachshund on the porch ... it is at the end of the video.

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/sto...Creek-County-girl/KaFX5llZF061YosqTSugiQ.cspx


One more item to add to the confusion. I suspect this resident had useful information for LE to use concerning the time frame when she saw the dog. However, it is not included in the video. Also, is this the same dead dog that had been left behind a neighboring trailer park?

Just questioning ......No formal charges yet? No confirmation of DNA match yet? Or, does LE not pubically announce there is a DNA match for the suspect? Is it just held as trial evidence? I really can't recall.


:frown:

I don't know if they have to announce a DNA match, but formal charges would be public information.

They have not been filed yet.

It seems to me, if they had a DNA match already, they'd have formal charges.

I really hope they haven't ruined this young man's life with an arrest with no evidence whatsoever.

The rumors about their relationship breakup are interesting, and damning.

 

[southernnana]

I don't know if they have to announce a DNA match, but formal charges would be public information.


They have not been filed yet.

It seems to me, if they had a DNA match already, they'd have formal charges.

I really hope they haven't ruined this young man's life with an arrest with no evidence whatsoever.

The rumors about their relationship breakup are interesting, and damning.

:dunno:

No formal charges yet is puzzling .... if they have blood or other evidence, and have decided to use the little girl's video testimony .... and have confidence in the DNA match, or a witness to suspicious activity at the residence/trailer in the early a.m. then maybe they have enough. We just don't know.

The decision on whether they have the evidence needed to move forward with the case will be up to the DA's office. I wouldn't think that office will take the risk of filing charges in a case without sufficient evidence to convict.

The rumors about the relationship would seem to be a problem for the boyfriend if he is charged.... and could account for the rage in the horror of what happened to the little girl. There is no justification for what was done to her .... None. :heartbeat: