Identified! OK - Sand Springs, Female 238UFOK, 17-23, Jan'89 - Christine Miller

[Fairy1]

I received a request today to look into Kimberly Amero and found this thread in my search to see if she was already here. This pic of Kimberly is a little larger so you can see her teeth a little better. Location wise, IDK. And Kimberly is said to have been 5'4" to 5'6" - but it was at least 3 years from the time she went missing to the time the UID was found.

http://ca.missingkids.com/missingki...seNum=0400101&orgPrefix=RCMP&searchLang=en_CA

Do y'all think it's worth pursuing?

 

[Fairy1]

I received a request today to look into Kimberly Amero and found this thread in my search to see if she was already here. This pic of Kimberly is a little larger so you can see her teeth a little better. Location wise, IDK. And Kimberly is said to have been 5'4" to 5'6" - but it was at least 3 years from the time she went missing to the time the UID was found.

http://ca.missingkids.com/missingki...seNum=0400101&orgPrefix=RCMP&searchLang=en_CA

Do y'all think it's worth pursuing?

Hello? Anyone there?

 

[CarlK90245]

She does have similar dentals and her facial structure looks about right considering that Kimberly would be about 18-19 years old at the time of the UID's death. She disappeared two days before her 16th birthday, but only looks about 12-13 in the photo. Her teeth probably looked a bit different from the time of the photo to the age of 18.

They are saying that the UID might have a Native American or Asian mix, and I don't see any of that.

She could have easily grown 4 inches during the interim.

Since she is from Canada, there is probably not a CODIS rule-out by default.

Overall, I don't see anything that would rule-her out. I'd send Margaret Loveall an e-mail to call her attention to this. My impression from talking to her is that she would probably give it a look.

 

[Fairy1]

She does have similar dentals and her facial structure looks about right considering that Kimberly would be about 18-19 years old at the time of the UID's death. She disappeared two days before her 16th birthday, but only looks about 12-13 in the photo. Her teeth probably looked a bit different from the time of the photo to the age of 18.

They are saying that the UID might have a Native American or Asian mix, and I don't see any of that.

She could have easily grown 4 inches during the interim.

Since she is from Canada, there is probably not a CODIS rule-out by default.

Overall, I don't see anything that would rule-her out. I'd send Margaret Loveall an e-mail to call her attention to this. My impression from talking to her is that she would probably give it a look.

Thank you, Carl!

Here is a link to what Kimberly's sister is doing to find her:

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-553217

 

[Shin Masamura]

I came across this missing person when trying to do my Thursday Matches, what do you think? These older cases seem not to have much to go on..

Charlene Elaine Barrios

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1153dfca.html

Unidentified White Female

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/238ufok.html

Her name had not been ruled out on the Namus page

 

[Shin Masamura]

I see the posting heading changed, did someone submit? I wanted an opinion before doing so..

 

[webrocket]

I see the posting heading changed, did someone submit? I wanted an opinion before doing so..

I think the general convention for thread naming is that if original poster puts both a UID and missing person in the same post, it is treated as "possible match".

 

[Shin Masamura]

Only got one response back from this, and that it was difficult for the agencies to connect..

 

[webrocket]

don't take it personally. it happens all the time.

looking at the two cases I see these problems even though the faces look similar.

despite the depiction of the deceased, she was noted to have light brown/blonde hair. Charlene looks like she has dark brown.

second, the UID has peculiar dentition as described in her profile. I don't know if anyone can zoom in Charlene's smiling face but the teeth might be an instant rule out.

 

[traacker13]

I wonder if Jennifer Wictor was ever considered.

Jennifer's height is listed as 69 - 71 inches or 5' 7" - 5' 9"
The UID's estimated height is 5' 8"

Jennifer went missing March 10, 1988 which is just over 9 months. 9 months is the estimated time that the UID had been at the location.

Jennifer's general appearance is a great match to the UID. It's really unfortunate that there isn't a clearer picture of her teeth...

Jennifer Wictor: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2994dfaz.html

What do ya'll think?

 

[CherBearSTL]

I wonder if Jennifer Wictor was ever considered.

Jennifer's height is listed as 69 - 71 inches or 5' 7" - 5' 9"
The UID's estimated height is 5' 8"

Jennifer went missing March 10, 1988 which is just over 9 months. 9 months is the estimated time that the UID had been at the location.

Jennifer's general appearance is a great match to the UID. It's really unfortunate that there isn't a clearer picture of her teeth...

Jennifer Wictor: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2994dfaz.html

What do ya'll think?

Jennifer's teeth appear really straight, unlike the UID. But maybe someone else may be able to see them more clearly.

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[Redwood146]

I just received the call-back from Margaret Loveall of the Tulsa PD. She was very friendly and we spoke for about 20 minutes.

She said that Christine came from a very poor family, and her mother and sister are both mentally disabled. The poorly focused photo is the only known photo of Christine.

They have obtained DNA Family Reference Samples from both the mother and sister, but she doubts that Christine ever went to a dentist. But they are still looking around to see if there might have been dental records around somewhere. Looking at the NamUs dental charts for the UID, it indicated that the UID showed no indications of any dental work, so that would be consistent to Christine.

Margaret looked at the mapquest of the area where the remains were found (I think she was looking at an area not exactly where I had noted). She said that it was a fairly run-down area that would be very well-suited for dumping a body.

She spoke a while about NamUs, and how she is learning that NamUs has a lot of features that she was unaware of. She also said that she has recently put quite a bit of effort into putting their long-neglected UID cases into NamUs, and she seemed to be grateful for the tip.

She says that she will definitely look into it, and let me know what she finds.

After reading this thread I have debated whether I should add my 2 cents worth. I have read that Christine is thought to have gone missing a month after the Jane Doe was found. But is anyone really sure about when she went missing - it seems to me that she that she was not missed by any one until several months later. Unless they can tie Christine's date of going missing against a community or personal event eg a local festive or someone's birthday I think this should not be reason alone to discount her. Also respectfully I add that some disabled people who have an intellectual disability can have same teeth/ mouth profile as the photo suggest Christine had - it seems for some this crowded mouth profile is part of their genetic profile. I have worded this as carefully as I can and I sincerely hope no one is offended by this post.

 

[traacker13]

Jennifer's teeth appear really straight, unlike the UID. But maybe someone else may be able to see them more clearly.

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Thanks CherBear. Yeah, I wasn't 100% sold on the teeth either...

What about Peggy Alt? (https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/show/9849)

Her teeth seem to look pretty similar to me. Her height is WAY off but the resemblence to me is incredible.

 

[zinc]

What are thoughts on the below? It's difficult to make out much detail on her teeth, but she has dentals available, so may be a fairly easy rule-out. Note that she is a few years outside the UID's age range, as she is known to have been dancing in clubs in Oklahoma in 1986 at age 26.

Theresa Lorraine Davis - NamUs MP # 10254
https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/10254/

The Doe Network: Case File 3061DFOK - Theresa Lorraine Davis
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3061dfok.html

The Charley Project: Theresa Lorraine Davis
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/davis_theresa.html

Missing Since: January 21, 1983 from Tulsa, Oklahoma
Classification: Missing
Age: 23 years old
Height and Weight: 5'4 - 5'6, 130 pounds
Distinguishing Characteristics: Caucasian female. Brown hair, hazel eyes. Davis may use the last name Askew and/or spell her first name "Theressa." She compulsively pulls out her hair and has bald spots on her scalp as a result.
Clothing/Jewelry Description: Unknown. She likes bell-bottom pants and usually wears a scarf, hat, head wrap or wig to hide her bald spots. The wig is described as medium to dark brown, straight and shoulder-length.

Details of Disappearance

Davis was last heard from when she contacted the Arkansas Department of Human Services on January 21, 1983 to ask about her children, who had been taken into protective custody. She said she was in Tulsa, Oklahoma at the time. She has never been heard from again.

Subsequent investigation showed Davis was alive and well in Tulsa in mid-1986, dancing in various clubs under the name "Fancy." There hasn't been any indications of her whereabouts since then, however. Few details are available in her case. Oklahoma police are investigating.

Investigating Agency
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Tulsa Police Department
918-596-9333

 

[mamashawn]

It looks good to me.

 

[zinc]

Theresa Lorraine Davis - NamUs MP # 10254
https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/10254/

The Doe Network: Case File 3061DFOK - Theresa Lorraine Davis
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3061dfok.html

The Charley Project: Theresa Lorraine Davis
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/davis_theresa.html

Since Theresa Lorraine Davis seems like an obvious necessary rule-out, I sent an e-mail to the MP investigators at the Tulsa Police Department and the Oklahoma Office of the Chief Medical Examiner. Got vacation responses so I may need to follow up on this in a couple of weeks if I don't get a reply.

 

[Wanting2Help]

She does have similar dentals and her facial structure looks about right considering that Kimberly would be about 18-19 years old at the time of the UID's death. She disappeared two days before her 16th birthday, but only looks about 12-13 in the photo. Her teeth probably looked a bit different from the time of the photo to the age of 18.

They are saying that the UID might have a Native American or Asian mix, and I don't see any of that.

She could have easily grown 4 inches during the interim.

Since she is from Canada, there is probably not a CODIS rule-out by default.

Overall, I don't see anything that would rule-her out. I'd send Margaret Loveall an e-mail to call her attention to this. My impression from talking to her is that she would probably give it a look.

Did anyone ever submit Kimberly Amero? She is still not on the rule-out list...

 

[DippyBlonder]

Paulette Webster?

The height is way off, but everything else is a great match...
http://doenetwork.org/cases/1135dfil.html

UID Hair colour: light brown hair
PW Hair colour: Brown hair

UID Age: 17 to 23 year old Female
PW Age: 19 years old

UID Height: 68, Estimated (5 foot 6)
PW Height: 5'0" bad match!

UID Date: Located on January 2, 1989. DoeNetwork estimated time of death is 3 - 4 months prior to discovery. (Namus says 9 months)
PW Date: Missing since September 2, 1988

PW age progression gives a clearer picture of the teeth:

I can't decide if the eye tooth on our right looking at the screen, of the UID is longer than PW or if it is the angle of the pictures.

What do you think?

 

[CarlK90245]

Although the photo is very poorly focused, it appears that Christine Miller has similar teeth.

Christine Miller
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/miller_christine.html

All you can see is her two upper central incisors (8 and 9), but from what I can see, the lateral incisors (7 and 10) apper to be crowded back, just as the UID's are.

Her age (19) is right in the middle of the UID's estimated age range (17 - 23). her DLC is listed only as "sometime in 1989", but that is consistent with the PM interval. And of course, she is from Tulsa (i.e., where the remains were found).

There is not a whole lot else to compare. Her height is not indicated, and there is no indication whether or not she wore "rings".

BTW, this Oklahoma artist seems to give all of his reconstructions the same "look", so I wouldn't rely too much on overall resemblance. The facial shape seems to be consistent though, (although Christine appears to have a little bit more chin)

Interesting. Christine Miller's NamUs casefile is now closed. And this UID's NamUs UP casefile is also closed.

You suppose?

 

[Kaliste]

Interesting. Christine Miller's NamUs casefile is now closed. And this UID's NamUs UP casefile is also closed.

You suppose?

That would be incredible!