Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

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"Welllllll, who the hellllll would want to go to that church?"

Me, I'd sure like to see the books on this "church".
Looking forward to more local color commentary on the proceedings as the locals hopefully loosen up now that arrests have been made!
 
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Snipped for focus

They apparently decided they could act outside the law. Well, the law has come for them.
Looks like they should have faced the music years ago!! JMO
 
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Most newer cars these days use a key fob. If VB had her key fob in her pocket when she was removed from the car, the car would not move if they tried to drive it somewhere. I believe this is part of what didn't go as planned. I'm sure there was adrenaline racing during the attacks, the perps couldn't figure out why the car wouldn't drive and had to leave with the women. If the women were attacked, the key fob could have been lost in the tall prairie grasses.
 
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Do we know if they were registered as a non-profit/tax exempt 501(c)(3) organization? I would think that if they started a formal church then they would have registered it versus being more of a private group.
Wouldn't that be acknowledging the authority of the government? Ha Ha!
 
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That was an interesting video. I'm now wondering if there was any financial incentive for the Twombly's, et.al, from TA that encouraged their participation or actions as an "assassination squad".
moo
I’d be very surprised if there wasn’t some financial motive on their part.
 
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Was it ever determined why PG had a delayed arrest?
 
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That was an interesting video. I'm now wondering if there was any financial incentive for the Twombly's, et.al, from TA that encouraged their participation or actions as an "assassination squad".
moo
I hadn't even considered that, but it sure makes me wonder after seeing that interview.
It kind of makes more sense. We keep wondering how she got all these people to participate. Maybe a nice chunk of change helped nudge them into the full participation mode.
 
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That was an interesting video. I'm now wondering if there was any financial incentive for the Twombly's, et.al, from TA that encouraged their participation or actions as an "assassination squad".
moo
Yes, been wondering the same thing. I would guess that when the group formed just having an Adams and a Cullum among your close friends might be desirable on a lot of fronts. Don't they seem to be old money, respectable, influential, "movers and shakers" families that most small towns have? The name itself cuts through a lot of resistance even when the individual of the name has long been a rebel and outlier (I don't know anything about Tifany nor Tad pasts).

Were they paid for the "mission"? That will be really interesting to find out.
 
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Thanks. Did she really pass away on April 14th?

Veronica Butler's and Jilian Kelley's bodies were discovered on April 14th, 2024.

The ME's autopsy report will explain the condition of the bodies which, I assume, will show their deaths were 2 weeks prior.....March 30th.

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Officially, DOD is the day they're found.
That's how Oklahoma does it afaik . When my brother was found after missing for three months, they listed the day he was found as the date of his death.
 
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That's how Oklahoma does it afaik . When my brother was found after missing for three months, they listed the day he was found as the date of his death.
I think it's pretty standard practice. Same here in my state.
 
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Most newer cars these days use a key fob. If VB had her key fob in her pocket when she was removed from the car, the car would not move if they tried to drive it somewhere. I believe this is part of what didn't go as planned. I'm sure there was adrenaline racing during the attacks, the perps couldn't figure out why the car wouldn't drive and had to leave with the women. If the women were attacked, the key fob could have been lost in the tall prairie grasses.
Yep! I wonder too, maybe they thought they could use the car to ‘find my key fob’? Ooops. NVM /sarc MOO
 
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“Adams told officers she had called Butler to check if she was coming for the usual Saturday visit. She said Butler told her that something had come up and she could not make it.
Just another red flag by TA: There's no way that VB who was fighting to see her children would not contact them in advance if she was going to miss Saturday visitation, and certainly not wait until Saturday at 9AM or for TA to contact her, to say something came up!

Of course, TA was just trying to make VB look bad, again.

Fortunately, VB's family had already located VB's vehicle near to meet up location before TA could make the false statement to LE.
 
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Is TA sadistic....yes. I have to draw the line at deliberately burying people alive and deliberate torture before burying them alive...I do not believe this case fits this senario...Unless the ME discovers this.

Adams and Cullum used death threats and intimidation on other occasions, not torture.

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I disagree here, and obviously we all have our different viewpoints.
But there is no way TA was beyond torturing these victims. She despised VB. TA had plotted VB's demise for a long time and, with the court case coming up, her malevolence was peak.

I have zero doubt TA was intent on torturing her victims. After all, she arranged everything so she could be there to take part in it. Why not let others handle it and give herself an alibi? Because she wanted to see the suffering. And she wanted to participate.
TA felt justified in her actions and she was going to make VB pay. She fully convinced at least 4 others to take part in this wicked plot. And they were fully on board with killing JK, a woman they didn't know and who was in no way associated with them. They felt justified in this too. Cora told her daughter JK deserved to die because she "supported" VB.

As part of this plan, they purchased 5 stun guns. Not one or two. FIVE. One for each perp. And they intentionally chose the kind that inflict the most pain.
If that's not a call to torture then I don't know what is.
 
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Register it with the Government?

More likely they registered it with themselves. Church of the Unholy Anvil.

They apparently decided they could act outside the law. Well, the law has come for them.
BBM
One slight correction “Unholy Flying Anvil” :)
 
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