Found Deceased Olivia 5, Evelyn 8 & Paityn Decker 9, found dead, manhunt on for father, Travis Decker 32, wh 2017 GMC Sierra PU, Wenatchee, 30 May 2025 #2

I don't think he just snapped either. I think he had it all planned out right up to his survival gear, food and his escape. This feels like a classic "If I can't have them nobody will" mentality. This don't look nor feel like it was a spur of the moment thing because of a mental issue JMHO

I don’t think so either and I don’t think whatever happened while he was in the army had anything to do with this.

I think it’s just love bomb-discard-love bomb-discard; I think he ran hot and cold and played games that’s how he is. When he tried to get back with her for the next love bomb part of his cycle, she said no. I think that was an insult to him and he decided to kill the girls because how DARE this woman refuse him. I think he thinks women aren’t people with their own lives to him, women are supposed to smile and do whatever he says and if they don’t they deserve to be punished.

Then he ran off and is in the wilderness because he thinks he’s an elite survivalist that is smarter and better than everybody.

I don’t think this is wounded warrior, I think it’s selfishness, misogyny, and grandiosity.
 
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I don’t think so either and I don’t think whatever happened while he was in the army had anything to do with this.

I think it’s just love bomb-discard-love bomb-discard; I think he ran hot and cold and played games that’s how he is. When he tried to get back with her for the next love bomb part of his cycle, she said no. I think that was an insult to him and he decided to kill the girls because how DARE this woman refuse him. I think he thinks women aren’t people with their own lives to him, women are supposed to smile and do whatever he says and if they don’t they deserve to be punished.

Then he ran off and is in the wilderness because he thinks he’s an elite survivalist that is smarter and better than everybody.

I don’t think this is wounded warrior, I think it’s selfishness, misogyny, and grandiosity.
There is so much we don't know about this situation, but I think it's very likely that he is experiencing a psychotic episode. If there were any drugs involved, even occasionally, this could have precipitated the psychosis. It's a very tragic situation all around.
 
Howdy, a few of my posts have been removed so please delete again if I'm not doing this right. I was wondering if anyone finds the small fender bender he was in a few days before the incident at hand was of interest? In an affidavit or some other court document I had read he was in an accident around 3:54 am--the light changed and the car in front of him didn't move but he did and ran into the back of the car. Did anyone else read this from the documents from the court? I think the thing i find weird is why was he out that early in the morning--I mean that is early. I assumed he was on his way to work but the other thought I had was some sort of manic episode type of thing. Please delete if post isn't done right or appropriate.
 
I agree 100%. He did indeed have rights. Legally he did not met criteria to lose rights or be compelled to treatment involuntarily.



Respectfully snipped. I agree. There are so many overlapping issues occurring and we are seemingly trying to forget that TD had every reason to NOT want to get a diagnosis or seek on record treatment for mental health. Doing so would end his career. Period. He would not be able to pass required medical screenings to continue active duty in any form. This would eliminate any chance of pension and benefits. He would entirely be without income. The military is a he part of his identity. This is a horrific prospect for any of us. Imagine not only losing your marriage, housing, custody, and then your job/identity? He would lose his ability to contribute to child-support. As a man, he'd slip into the stigma of deadbeat. Most of us would fight to preserve this. He had every right and reason to be terrified of this. It can take years to jump through VA loopholes to get disability or other benefits.





The sheer amount of stress in his life with his life changes in the previous couple years was tremendous. It did indeed seem insurmountable. And in many ways it was. He was trying to do the tasks, albeit somewhat poorly, to rectify the situation. And the resources simply weren't out there. VA is notoriously difficult to navigate and gain access to and with recent administrative changes, so many vital programs have simply been eliminated without additional pathways to access remaining programs. Literally, he did snap.


I recommend checking out the Life Change Index Scale (The Stress Test). Calculate the stressors he's had over the past year or two. In someone who wasn't dealing with possible PTSD or other mental health decompensation, the life change index in itself could push anyone over the edge.


Again, as I have said before, what occurred is horrific. But, I do believe there is a difference between someone like Bundy or Gacy and someone who has clearly been a decent and functional human in the past.


This is more about how WE, as a society, can do better.
MOO
The objective stress load he was under is normal for a young man with children, it is him personally that felt too burdened, allowing anxiety to take the place of productive action.
Having so much taken care of for a person by the military creates a huge shock when transitioning to footing the responsibility for it all in the civilian world.
 
I was wondering if anyone finds the small fender bender he was in a few days before the incident at hand was of interest? In an affidavit or some other court document I had read he was in an accident around 3:54 am--the light changed and the car in front of him didn't move but he did and ran into the back of the car. Did anyone else read this from the documents from the court?
I personally didn't read it in court docs, maybe others had. I read it in MSM.

Triple-murder suspect Travis Decker was involved in a rear-end collision just two days before police say he kidnapped and murdered his three children in Wenatchee.

 
I personally didn't read it in court docs, maybe others had. I read it in MSM.

Triple-murder suspect Travis Decker was involved in a rear-end collision just two days before police say he kidnapped and murdered his three children in Wenatchee.

I can't access the Facebook link. Does it say whether he was the vehicle in the rear in that accident, or the one in front that was rear-ended by the other?
 
Howdy, a few of my posts have been removed so please delete again if I'm not doing this right. I was wondering if anyone finds the small fender bender he was in a few days before the incident at hand was of interest? In an affidavit or some other court document I had read he was in an accident around 3:54 am--the light changed and the car in front of him didn't move but he did and ran into the back of the car. Did anyone else read this from the documents from the court? I think the thing i find weird is why was he out that early in the morning--I mean that is early. I assumed he was on his way to work but the other thought I had was some sort of manic episode type of thing. Please delete if post isn't done right or appropriate.
It has been reported that he worked in construction, so that could be why he was out so early in the morning.
 
Howdy, a few of my posts have been removed so please delete again if I'm not doing this right. I was wondering if anyone finds the small fender bender he was in a few days before the incident at hand was of interest? In an affidavit or some other court document I had read he was in an accident around 3:54 am--the light changed and the car in front of him didn't move but he did and ran into the back of the car. Did anyone else read this from the documents from the court? I think the thing i find weird is why was he out that early in the morning--I mean that is early. I assumed he was on his way to work but the other thought I had was some sort of manic episode type of thing. Please delete if post isn't done right or appropriate.
These kinds of car accidents are very common, as tailgating (driving too close to the car in front of you) is a big problem, especially at traffic lights.
 
Howdy, a few of my posts have been removed so please delete again if I'm not doing this right. I was wondering if anyone finds the small fender bender he was in a few days before the incident at hand was of interest? In an affidavit or some other court document I had read he was in an accident around 3:54 am--the light changed and the car in front of him didn't move but he did and ran into the back of the car. Did anyone else read this from the documents from the court? I think the thing i find weird is why was he out that early in the morning--I mean that is early. I assumed he was on his way to work but the other thought I had was some sort of manic episode type of thing. Please delete if post isn't done right or appropriate.
I personally didn't read it in court docs, maybe others had. I read it in MSM.

Triple-murder suspect Travis Decker was involved in a rear-end collision just two days before police say he kidnapped and murdered his three children in Wenatchee.

@Done&done hope this helps!​

Police called to collision involving triple-murder suspect Travis Decker two days before kidnapping​

Shawn Garrett
Fri, June 6, 2025 at 11:48 AM PDT
1 min read

According to the Wenatchee Police Department, on that Wednesday morning, the non-injury collision happened when Decker in his GMC was stopped at a red light behind another car.

When the light turned green, both vehicles began to move. The car then slowed for traffic ahead of it, and Decker rear-ended the car.

<snip>

When Decker was interviewed, police say he admitted to not having car insurance.

The officer cited Decker $196 for following too closely and $559 for operating his truck without insurance.

 
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I can't access the Facebook link. Does it say whether he was the vehicle in the rear in that accident, or the one in front that was rear-ended by the other?
According to the Wenatchee Police Department, on that Wednesday morning, the non-injury collision happened when Decker in his GMC was stopped at a red light behind another car.

When the light turned green, both vehicles began to move. The car then slowed for traffic ahead of it, and Decker rear-ended the car.

Police noted there was damage to the front end of Decker’s truck and rear-end damage to the car.


 
According to the Wenatchee Police Department, on that Wednesday morning, the non-injury collision happened when Decker in his GMC was stopped at a red light behind another car.

When the light turned green, both vehicles began to move. The car then slowed for traffic ahead of it, and Decker rear-ended the car.

Police noted there was damage to the front end of Decker’s truck and rear-end damage to the car.


Interesting, so there was damage to both vehicles in that accident and he would be at fault for rear ending and he didnt have insurance. yeah that would be stressful.

There were 2 accidents, werent there?
It was the first accident (they called a hit and run) . The driver of the other vehicle said there was no damage and he didn't want to pursue it.
 
When I read about his stress, how much of it is created by him? ( like driving with no insurance)
It kind of fits with this post
@Boxer wrote
"The objective stress load he was under is normal for a young man with children, it is him personally that felt too burdened, allowing anxiety to take the place of productive action.
Having so much taken care of for a person by the military creates a huge shock when transitioning to footing the responsibility for it all in the civilian world.
 
MOO
The objective stress load he was under is normal for a young man with children, it is him personally that felt too burdened, allowing anxiety to take the place of productive action.
Having so much taken care of for a person by the military creates a huge shock when transitioning to footing the responsibility for it all in the civilian world.
here is the original.
I have seen this before, I think its important and very much a factor.
 
MOO
The objective stress load he was under is normal for a young man with children, it is him personally that felt too burdened, allowing anxiety to take the place of productive action.
Having so much taken care of for a person by the military creates a huge shock when transitioning to footing the responsibility for it all in the civilian world.
Is it normal stress for a young father who is working but yet can’t afford a rental spot and is homeless. No place to take his kids on visits or no money or insure his vehicle, or even to be able to feed his dog as was in the case with Decker? That’s significant stress in my opinion for a 32 year old. For any age, I would think. Imoo

Just a different perspective not sticking up for him. Just saying…
What he did was horrific. No excuses.
 
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Howdy, a few of my posts have been removed so please delete again if I'm not doing this right. I was wondering if anyone finds the small fender bender he was in a few days before the incident at hand was of interest? In an affidavit or some other court document I had read he was in an accident around 3:54 am--the light changed and the car in front of him didn't move but he did and ran into the back of the car. Did anyone else read this from the documents from the court? I think the thing i find weird is why was he out that early in the morning--I mean that is early. I assumed he was on his way to work but the other thought I had was some sort of manic episode type of thing. Please delete if post isn't done right or appropriate.

That is just one more thing on top of everything. It could involve a drivers license suspension, serious fines, and/or cause increased issues with his National Guards reserves. Also, it is not uncommon for people under extreme stress and adversity to be clumsy, accident prone due to distractions, or make simple errors they would normally not make.


MOO
The objective stress load he was under is normal for a young man with children, it is him personally that felt too burdened, allowing anxiety to take the place of productive action.
Having so much taken care of for a person by the military creates a huge shock when transitioning to footing the responsibility for it all in the civilian world.

I see nothing normal about having so many stressors (good and bad) occurring. Also I respectfully disagree with the idea it is on him for feeling "burdened" and "allowing anxiety" to take the place of "productive action". Not everyone is gifted with the remarkable abilities to not be human, not experience normal human reactions or emotions, and to mentally override chemical, visceral, and physiological body reactions that manifest mental health issues. These types of statements really alienate, stigmatize, and minimize the battles faced by many in our society. This is essentially like blaming a paralyzed person in a wheelchair for not "using their legs" when the chair was stuck on the railroad tracks and the get hit by a train. Or like telling a female victim of assault or violence to put on a smile, don't double check the doors are locked, and get over it. LOL

I posted in the previous thread that transitioning to civilian life can be brutal and alienating. That is also a life stressor on top of all the other things. I emphasized this in many posts.


When I read about his stress, how much of it is created by him? ( like driving with no insurance)
It kind of fits with this post
@Boxer wrote
"The objective stress load he was under is normal for a young man with children, it is him personally that felt too burdened, allowing anxiety to take the place of productive action.
Having so much taken care of for a person by the military creates a huge shock when transitioning to footing the responsibility for it all in the civilian world.

Sadly, many of the actual symptoms of and ways mental health disorders are diagnosed is when seemingly and previously functioning people no longer are able to maintain regulations of the basics in their lives. This is not abnormal. We have all, for the most part, gone through losses that create a a pattern of grief. In those moments, we all for the most part, might not be as productive as usual, might slip on chores, tasks, forget to eat, over eat, not shower, stay on the couch for days, or miss hygiene. Usually that self corrects, because we all have resiliency. It is when all energy or focus ends up lost in the adverse situation and symptoms, and things keep falling apart, and the pathway to get back on track is overwhelming invisible that people simply don't have the resiliency or capacity to fix things. When you are so far in, it is very difficult to be objective.

For those of you who have been blessed and have not had massive adversity, it is very easy for many things to slip. Being unhoused is very destabilizing. It is also very expensive in its own right, can't budget cooking, hotel costs, not being able to unwind, it is constant movement, no time to relax or decompress. It is not surprising that a car insurance lapsed. This can happen with anyone overwhelmed by other stressors. This can happen to anyone who lives paycheck to paycheck, gets an unexpected bill, and something else goes unpaid. It doesn't mean it is a pattern or he was like 🤬🤬🤬🤬 it, I am not paying this and I am going to buy a frivolous item instead. This is just one more thing to add to all the things. This literally IS part of symptoms. Our bodies do NOT recognize the difference from being chased by a saber tooth tiger from being homeless, living paycheck to paycheck, losing a job, losing a relationship, or any other modern day stress that creates fight or flight anxiety.



here is the original.
I have seen this before, I think its important and very much a factor.

Is it normal stress for a young father who is working but yet can’t afford a rental spot and is homeless. No place to take his kids on visits or no money or insure his vehicle, or even to be able to feed his dog as was in the case with Decker? That’s significant stress in my opinion for a 32 year old. For any age, I would think. Imoo

Just a different perspective not sticking up for him. Just say…
 
Is it normal stress for a young father who is working but yet can’t afford a rental spot and is homeless. No place to take his kids on visits or no money or insure his vehicle, or even to be able to feed his dog as was in the case with Decker? That’s significant stress in my opinion for a 32 year old. For any age, I would think. Imoo

Just a different perspective not sticking up for him. Just saying…
What he did was horrific. No excuses.
I get what youre saying, what is normal stress for some can be major stress for another.
I understood it more as how he handles responsibility.
He was used to the army taking care of alot for him and his wife was a stay home mom,taking care of kids.
Then he leaves the army then he gets divorced, 2 major supprt networks gone,.
Its a hard transition to have to start handling responsibilities on your own. for most people that's normal, but someone who is used to things being handled by others. its a tall order.
So Maybe you ignore those responsibilities, become irresponsible with money., ( his RV was repo'd thats why he was homeless) you let yourself get in trouble.
anxiety builds. ... and eventually it becomes unmanageable.
I had a brother who was like that so thats my reference point.
its not an insult , its like a CEO without his assistant.
Thats not to say he didnt have added expenses with the divorce he asked for,
Surely he knew there would be child support , and possibly even spousal if she wasnt working..
He is the one that asked for the divorce, ( morever, its his reaction to things and how he handles responsibilityand or conflict) I dont think he thought that one through.
I dont think he wanted a divorce, I get the impression him asking for a divorce was a reaction to something.
after that everything got away from him .
I dont know what his expenses were, or his income, anyway doesnt matter its about his ability to handle conflct and responsibility.
 
For those of you who have been blessed and have not had massive adversity, it is very easy for many things to slip. Being unhoused is very destabilizing. It is also very expensive in its own right, can't budget cooking, hotel costs, not being able to unwind, it is constant movement, no time to relax or decompress. It is not surprising that a car insurance lapsed. This can happen with anyone overwhelmed by other stressors.
It can, but what Im saying is some people cant handle it like others. some people dont know how. MY brother had the world by the tail. no adversity, but when my dad stopped doing everything for him ( passed away) and got divorced frm his wife who also controlled everything ( her choice) he couldnt manage, its not that he couldnt handle it, he was too embarrassed to admit he didnt know how. Im not judging but its not always adversity that brings people down.
 
I guess what I am not understanding is what do we know FOR SURE, about what his stress was about.
for him to zip tie 3 of his daughters hands together and place plastic bags over their heads and let them suffocate to death,.
To hear what we assume was his problem is not a good enough answer for me,
Sorry I just feel like Im trying to uderstand something and grabbing theories that are no more a possibility than him being someone who cant handle being an adult because everything was placed in a perfect row for him his whole life. Coping skills, resiliency. Im sure he learned that somewhere along the way.
I dont always think everything needs to be pathologized.
he asked for a divorce when he probably didnt want one. he was probably hoping for a different result when he asked , not thinking about the consequences,.
yes he had PTSD, and BPD, but was he taking care of himself?
 
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