Omaha Double Murder #2

[Ryuzaki]

Hey everyone, I am really sorry about my absence, I have however been working diligently on this case, I won't rest my mind until it is solved, I assure everyone.

some of you were wondering about local break ins before the murders, I recall a few incidents in the hunters neighborhood within 3 days of the murders, one happened right behind the Hunter's house a car and a garage were broken into the night before the incident, none of this was ever reported.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Ryuzaki, Good hearing from you. Thanks for the info about the incidents in the H's neighborhood. Very interesting. New info is always welcome since we have so few details to sleuth.

I am glad to hear you are still working diligently on this case and look forward to you sharing what you know with us one of these days.

wm

 

[Snick1946]

Hey everyone, I am really sorry about my absence, I have however been working diligently on this case, I won't rest my mind until it is solved, I assure everyone.

some of you were wondering about local break ins before the murders, I recall a few incidents in the hunters neighborhood within 3 days of the murders, one happened right behind the Hunter's house a car and a garage were broken into the night before the incident, none of this was ever reported.

Ryuzaki, thanks for your return! You have been missed in our discussion.

The breakins that preceeded these killings were minor as I recall, nothing that looked professional. I do recall a coin collection was stolen from one home but aside from that nothing much. They looked to be perhaps someone with a drug addiction stealing stuff to support their habit. It is odd that they apparently were able to get away and not be caught, also that the breakins stopped right after these murders. It has occured to me that someone may have been trying to establish a pattern that would appear to indicate this was a casual thief that mistakenly came in on some people when in fact it was part of a larger plan. That's probably overthinking.

Left you a message on your personal page, please delete it after noting- hope to see you more often!

 

[YellowDog]

Hey everyone, I am really sorry about my absence, I have however been working diligently on this case, I won't rest my mind until it is solved, I assure everyone.

some of you were wondering about local break ins before the murders, I recall a few incidents in the hunters neighborhood within 3 days of the murders, one happened right behind the Hunter's house a car and a garage were broken into the night before the incident, none of this was ever reported.

Just curious. If none of this was ever reported, how was this information gleened?

I find it VERY interesting that one of the robberies happened right behind the Hunter's house. A robber could easily have come through the back door that day instead of the front thinking everyone was away at work or school and been surprised by Thomas or the housekeeper.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

YD, I recall vaguely discussing this possibility on the other thread. Correct me if my recollection fails me but isn't there a fence that separates the properties in the back of the H home. I wonder how tall it is or how easy it would be for someone to skim over it.
Seems like someone posted ariel photos on thread # 1. I'll try and locate and post them for reference sake.

wm

 

[YellowDog]

YD, I recall vaguely discussing this possibility on the other thread. Correct me if my recollection fails me but isn't there a fence that separates the properties in the back of the H home. I wonder how tall it is or how easy it would be for someone to skim over it.
Seems like someone posted ariel photos on thread # 1. I'll try and locate and post them for reference sake.

wm

Thanks WM. Even if there was a fence around the backyard of the Hunter home, there must have been a gate and I doubt that it was kept locked. I have a six foot wooden fence around my backyard, but the gate is not kept locked.

I just keep having this crazy feeling that the solution to this crime is very close to the Hunter home.

 

[YellowDog]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37103788/ns/today-today_people/

YD, Post # 265 at above link explains how Ryuzaki would be privvy to the information about the breakins. JMO

wm

WM, that link just took me to today's news.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Sorry YD. Too many distractions today. Try this.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67963&page=11

I'll delete my previous post. thanks for the heads up...wm

ETA I am referring to post # 265 by Ryuzaki.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Post number 595 at link addresses some of the questions you had asked regarding Shirlee. Hope this helps.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67963&page=24

wm

 

[waltzingmatilda]

post number 683 by KAE provides link to maps......

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67963&page=28

wm

 

[YellowDog]

Sorry YD. Too many distractions today. Try this.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67963&page=11

I'll delete my previous post. thanks for the heads up...wm

ETA I am referring to post # 265 by Ryuzaki.

Thanks WM. That one worked.

 

[Snick1946]

To 'Mymomshirlee'- I posted you a private message. Please feel free to disregard it but it was something I felt your family shuld be aware of.

 

[Snick1946]

I was goggling various names in this case and ran across a YouTube Video taken at a memorial recital for Thomas Hunter here in Omaha recently.

http://www.youtube.com/user/CrisCrisler

Anyone on this thread know when this was held? Was it to raise funds for a scholarship I think is being planned in his name? Very nice.

 

[YellowDog]

I was goggling various names in this case and ran across a YouTube Video taken at a memorial recital for Thomas Hunter here in Omaha recently.

http://www.youtube.com/user/CrisCrisler

Anyone on this thread know when this was held? Was it to raise funds for a scholarship I think is being planned in his name? Very nice.

The site says it was uploaded 11 months ago, Snick.

 

[Snick1946]

Someone on another discussion board has raised the possibility of a connection between this case and that of Al Kite, a 53 year old man killed in his home in Colorado in 2004. Here's a link to a page on AMW:

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=37694

There is some resemblence in the composites, also the Colorado killer just walked away and vanished, like this one. Method of killing seems similar. Note also he may have been from New Jersey. I think NJ was mentioned earlier as having license plates that would have matched the ones on the CRV. If you explore the site a bi you'll find the photos of this guy using the ATM with the stolen card- chilling.

There is a discussion of this case on WS.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I followed and posted on Al Kite's thread for awhile and then interest subsided. Here's a link. There seems to be definate similarities, IMO, although I never made a connection til now. Here's a link to Al's thread.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85098&highlight=kite+2004

I am interested in others thoughts regarding a possible connection in the two cases. Thanks for posting the info Snick.

wm

 

[colette]

From the AMW site the killer
"may be familiar with the area around the University of Colorado Hospital in Denver"

possible hospital connection....

The knife as a murder weapon connection. Although Mr Kite's killer tortured him and stayed a long time in his home, taking a shower ect.

If he is just some random guy killing here and there with no connection to the victims it will be next to impossible to catch him unless there is DNA and he makes a mistake.

 

[thesaint]

Doesn't seem that similar. The guy is said to have already been in his forties at that time (2004) so he'd be nearing 50 by 2008?

And even tho the police say robbery wasn't a motive, they also say the killer got "thousands" out Al Kite's accounts via ATM's. And the torturing might have been to elicit as much information about Al Kite's financial holdings as possible: any gold coins or bearer certificates in Al Kite's home? Also to get every ATM card and PIN number. And maybe even try to get Kite to xfer funds out of his accounts to the killer.

Seems like the financial component was a somewhat important part of the crime, hence the killer's vetting his potential victims. No doubt Al Kite told the killer his occupation (corporate accountant) and that helped the killer choose Kite.

And the MO is all different. The guy faking his identity etc.

 

[Snick1946]

IMO these are probably not related. There was another killing is Washington state that speculation linked to the Colorado killer. In both cases the MO differed from this one. In those, he made sure the victim was alone and more importantly, looks to have used his own weapons and not left them behind at the scene. What I find suggestive in this case is the degree of knowledge this perp looked to have had of the schedule- knowing when the parents would be gone and Shirlee would have been there to have responded to the door. Unless we assume he spent days scoping out the neighborhood then this probably is not our guy. If he had, someone would have noticed/repoprted.
I agree with Colette- if this was a serial killer then solving this crime becomes tremendously more difficult. For that reason alone I hope it wasn't.

 

[YellowDog]

I agree, it doesn't seem that similar to me. The ages don't jive and the odds have to be astronomical for there to be any connection. I still lean toward someone in the Omaha area.