Omaha double murder

[tapu]

I'm thinking that the 20 minutes is actually a very short time for everything to have happened. It would take a few minutes for the guy to just get in, get them both up there (separately or together), and then to kill them, since it was with a knife. (Wish we knew if it were multiple wounds or one precise one each time--we don't know, right?) Then, there would have been some kind of clean-up of himself. Very little time after that would have been left for looking around for anything. And, I guess, along the same reasoning, very little time for demanding info or anything else before the act could have passed either.

Fast, sure, cross-racial hit to the loved ones of a professional family, with no evidence of burglary or other "random" motive.

It's easy to get into thinking about such crimes and imagining all sorts of lofty, twisted plots to them: and then it turns out that, like, just some random killer came after the girl, or whatever. (Example: the Chandra Levy case) But in this case... It is very hard to see where the explanation could be something simple.

 

[Ryuzaki]

I agree with tapu, that is a very small time-frame. Their was probably a small discussion, but the killings and after cleanup took up most of the time, as for pictures, if the perp did take pictures it would not be for proof, i mean it would obviously be all over the media as a high profile murder, the reason the perp would have taken pictures and this is very chilling would be so the person who wanted revenge could see the victims in their state of first being murdered as a sort of prize or personal pleasure, very disturbing.

 

[Snick1946]

Ryuzaki- I think you referred earlier to a rumor that the Hunters were mixed up in some way with a Russian person. Any more known on that? Did you happen to hear on what level and how they knew this person, was it a professional relationship?
I have been thinking the last couple days- it seems to me that the killer had knowledge of when to strike- after Tom got home from school and before his dad came home, also when Claire was out of town. Maybe this is overthinking, but either this guy scoped out their schedules beforehand or possibly was given information as to their schedules. Doesn't this suggest something? Maybe the person hiring this guy was a friend or collegue of the Hunters.

 

[YellowDog]

If the killer had on a topcoat as described and had gloves on or in the briefcase, I don't think he would have done much clean up. He would have simply pulled the gloves off, put them in the briefcase and left and gotten rid of the briefcase and coat as soon as possible. I wouldn't think there would be as much blood spatter from a knife as there would be from a gun, but I certainly don't know this to be a fact.

I actually don't think 20 minutes is very long at all to be in the house. There was undoubtedly some conversation prior to the murders. Each stabbing probably only took seconds so I tend to think the killer was in the house 10 or 15 minutes before he did the killings.

This seems like it has to have been a hired killing, a vendetta killing or a payback killing.
This man went to that particular house to kill someone. Hopefullly the police know the motive from checking telephone records and computers and are searching for the killer.

I still think the young boy was the target, but the reason remains a mystery. Could the child have been previously molested and was getting ready to expose the child predator?

 

[Snick1946]

While we're on the topic of time frames, maybe we need for a minute to revisit the suggestion that the man seen entering and leaving the house that afternoon wasn't the killer. Maybe he had legitimate business there with Tom or Shirlee, maybe he was a friend of Shirlee's from doing yard work at one of her client's homes, etc. He was afraid to come forward after the killings; for good reason, he may be illegal.
What if the killer struck after 3:45 and before Dr Hunter arrived home, that would open the possibility of it being a near neighbor. Has anyone checked out the neighbors? I'd especially be interested to know if there are any adult children living with a parent within a block or so of that house, maybe someone with mental health issues. I wonder if LE even looked in that direction. Someone living in the area would have known Tom and perhaps interacted with him in some way that could have angered him. Just a thought.

 

[YellowDog]

A neighbor would also know he was home perhaps.

 

[Snick1946]

Someone could have entered the house via the side door, not using the front door. If I recall correctly from my visit there a few months ago, the kitchen door is on the south side of the house, exiting onto the driveway covered by a portico. It would have been easy for someone to enter and leave via that route, and reduce the chance of being observed by the neighbors. I'd be interested in the neighbors living to the south and in their family composition.
It'd sure be ironic wouldn't it if after all the speculation, this turned out to be something this simple. I do hope if LE is reading this they revisit that angle, it sure makes sense.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I've been pondering on how the killer cleaned up. Were footprints left behind? Was this person skilled enough to know where to inflict wounds without causing an immediate loss of blood, therefore a minimal amount is left on the killer? Did he have disposal wipes in his bag 'o tricks that could easily be flushed along with latex gloves? Then he put on the long coat and went on his way? So many questions without answers....

The possibility of someone using the side door should definately be looked at but assuming that the dining room and staircase are near the front I'd bet on the front door entry theory. The side door theory led me to consider the possibility of 2 killers. Perhaps a second killer was waiting and watching from the side of the house while texting directions to the killer in the car. This would explain all the stopping and starting as if searching for an address. If this is a viable theory, I'd bet that the 2nd killer lived somewhere nearby. Just thinking and typing as always. matilda

 

[Snick1946]

Hi all, am typing this from my local library. My computer is down and in the shop so I will not be able to respond as quickly as I'd like to anyone for awhile.
BTW, the tech that came out to check why it was doing the strange stuff told me someone set up their own screen on my system and was going in at times when I was offline from another site and apparently snooping. I doubt there is any conection to my activities in this case but it is very strange. He seemed very taken back. I suspect it's something my son did with his gaming. I think we are all pretty protected from anyone malicious so long as we keep it all on this site.
Should be back Saturday or Sunday, take care!

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Hi all, am typing this from my local library. My computer is down and in the shop so I will not be able to respond as quickly as I'd like to anyone for awhile.
BTW, the tech that came out to check why it was doing the strange stuff told me someone set up their own screen on my system and was going in at times when I was offline from another site and apparently snooping. I doubt there is any conection to my activities in this case but it is very strange. He seemed very taken back. I suspect it's something my son did with his gaming. I think we are all pretty protected from anyone malicious so long as we keep it all on this site.
Should be back Saturday or Sunday, take care!

Hi Snick, This is strange because my computer has been giving me fits and it is less than a year old. When you get back on can you pm some of the symptoms your computer is experiencing? Maybe I should have mine checked out as well. Could just be coincidence but better to be safe than sorry, right? Hang in there and we'll see you back Sat. or Sun. matilda

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

...........quick question on this case/////// its been nagging at me for few days......anyone with connection, to LE or someone whom has an email to LE ask them if they asked her family , friends, acquaintances etc...........if anyone ask them where she was working that day?.........just want to know...........thank you in advance..............and im talking about the housemaid here, she is the one i want to know if anyone ask her family or friends acquaintances where she was working that day...............

 

[YellowDog]

Just had a thought. Could the person who gave the information for the composite drawing to the artist possibly have been trying to throw suspicion in a direction far removed from the actual killing? Has this person's credibility been thoroughly checked out? Was it only one person or more than one?

 

[Snick1946]

Mr TT:

Do you mean was the housekeeper at another house earlier in the day? I have never seen this addressed anywhere. My understanding is that she was not at the Hunter home on her usual day to be there. Maybe someone with better knowledge can advise. I think I see where you may be going but will not speculate right now.
Yellowdog- very interesting comment as usual from you. Exactly who came up with the input for the drawing has never been clear, nor how many were asked. There is a sort of generic quality to the sketch isn't there? It has always bothered me that the sketch is a profile.
From what little I know about crime scene investigations, LE usually is suspicious of the helpful neighbor who volunteers input etc. Good cause for that sometimes.
My computer is still down, needs major work, if I were conspiracy minded I'd think maybe my activities on the board could have triggered some attack but I think it's most likely something my kid downloaded. He's helping to pay for it.

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

Mr TT:

Do you mean was the housekeeper at another house earlier in the day? I have never seen this addressed anywhere. My understanding is that she was not at the Hunter home on her usual day to be there. Maybe someone with better knowledge can advise. I think I see where you may be going but will not speculate right now.

yes..........thank you for that.......you added a possible that i did not know, when you mentioned she was not at the hunters on the usual day........I am wondering, if that is fact........did she cancel her regular schedule to go there, to the hunters.......or did she just re=arrange the times for that day??.........But, yes, i am wanting to know, if someone was looking for her that day, because perhaps she was not where she was suppose to be or assumed where she should be..........so they were asking someone of her whereabouts\location, where she was working, and was told she is at the hunters house, and was giving the address.........could have been by phone call, or in person................would not had been a stranger perhaps, but someone whom knew the person they were asking......and that person passed it on to the person responsible for this demonic act............searching for demons in the flesh, takes time.......
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[YellowDog]

Snick, sorry your computer is down. Hope you will be up and running again soon.
Yes, the drawing is not like most composite drawings which are usually full frontal face drawings.

I'm just curious if all the info (composite information, type of vehicle, color of license plate, time of arrival and time of departure) came from one individual or from more than one source. If this all came from one source, how can we be sure it's authentic?

 

[Snick1946]

My computer is back up and running. I had a bad network and video card, apparently affected by a power surge at some past time. No apparent connection to my Websleuth activities!
Like so much else with this case there is a little mystery as to who contributed the input for the drawing. I have assumed that LE spoke to wittnesses in the neighborhood and that there was more than one. If as we suspect LE is reading this thread maybe they need to go back and check into the people who gave them this input. Was there anyone who did who knew Dr or Ms Hunter on a professional basis or who may have been involved in some activities not generally known?
I still think they could do worse than to check into whether anyone with a history of mental problems, perhaps an adult living with family, resides in the area.

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

My computer is back up and running. I had a bad network and video card, apparently affected by a power surge at some past time. No apparent connection to my Websleuth activities!
Like so much else with this case there is a little mystery as to who contributed the input for the drawing. I have assumed that LE spoke to wittnesses in the neighborhood and that there was more than one. If as we suspect LE is reading this thread maybe they need to go back and check into the people who gave them this input. Was there anyone who did who knew Dr or Ms Hunter on a professional basis or who may have been involved in some activities not generally known?
I still think they could do worse than to check into whether anyone with a history of mental problems, perhaps an adult living with family, resides in the area.

someone was asking about the whereabouts of the housekeeper on that day......I am almost certain on it........If LE is here, and reading......please, go back in your investigation, and check again.....for those persons whom may had been asked that day, where she was working..............I am not implying she was the target, but there seems to be a connection...........LE just check again.....thank you
ALL MOO, NOTHING FOR CERTAIN JUST SPECULATION ON MY PART
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[Ryuzaki]

Ryuzaki- I think you referred earlier to a rumor that the Hunters were mixed up in some way with a Russian person. Any more known on that? Did you happen to hear on what level and how they knew this person, was it a professional relationship?
I have been thinking the last couple days- it seems to me that the killer had knowledge of when to strike- after Tom got home from school and before his dad came home, also when Claire was out of town. Maybe this is overthinking, but either this guy scoped out their schedules beforehand or possibly was given information as to their schedules. Doesn't this suggest something? Maybe the person hiring this guy was a friend or collegue of the Hunters.

yes, from what i heard they knew the individual on a professional level, all i know is he is a Russian male, not sure if it is even a lead anymore because it was at least 9 months ago when i heard it

 

[YellowDog]

yes, from what i heard they knew the individual on a professional level, all i know is he is a Russian male, not sure if it is even a lead anymore because it was at least 9 months ago when i heard it

How would they be able to determine he is Russian if they don't know who the suspect is?

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

........just an example, in asking to see if any validation would come about from posting..........i still think the murder weapon\weapons were in the briefcase.................in fact i wonder now, if that also was left behind, for i don't recall anyone mentioning that he was seen living with the briefcase.........but im assuming he did take it with him..............and i still think, the woman was attacked first, and the boy came upstairs to investigate the disturbance.................question for LE, if they are reading...........were the murder weapon/knifes found on the counter?.....just curious, and were they clean?...............and what i mean by hit, was just a murder in this area, and not a serial killing etc........but single out, not necessary a contract killing, but unsure without validation.........................and another question for LE.............CAN WE HAVE, access to the crime scene photos, after the removal of the bodies, so we can see for oursleves the location, the area, how the house looked.....................it would give us a better understanding, and perhaps more insight, into what happened and why, and whom, what kind of individual we are looking for............i know they did some computer forsenices, but turned up nothing, is that correct??.............Lets us know LE, please........if we are on a correct path, or totally lost..........thankyou very much, for any infor you can provide us...................

addon.............this house keeper, would not just let some total stranger inside, i dont believe htat............the exchange of words they had at the door, would indicate she had enough trust in this person, to let them in and wait........either from what he said, or she had seen him beofore, or knew he knew the parents?.......but uncertain on my part...........................LE, did you check phone recoreds, to see if this person may had called first!?........to see if anyone was home, he had the address, im guessing he had the number also...........were there any hang ups placed to the home, beofore this man arrived and left, any calls around the time of the murders...........???????????????..........REALLY LIKE TO KNOW THE ANSWERE TO THE POSSIBLE PHONE CALL!

without the autopsy reports......for some reason, im feeling perhaps, the showing of them being stabbed to death in the neck area is not accurate??........the true method of the killing is still being withheld, just in case someone having knowlege about the killings wouold know that was not the method of death?..........but im unsure, just not 100 percent that is accurate........I wonder if perhaps they were strangled instead, anyone have any idea about this?, can anyone supply a link that will showed us, 100percent for sure they were killed by being stabbed in the neck??..........
AND.......last aquestion for now, im asking as i think of them...........for LE, they were killed on the 13...between 3 and 4 pm im assuming.....which is the witches hour, and im alwasys looking for a occult connection from time to time, depending on the day and times.............so I am asking, if anything was left at the scene, to through LE off track perhaps, by leaving something there, to indiacte a occult/demonic connection..........such as a card, card of the devil or death, something like that, or anything written on paper wall etc..............thankyou for your answeres.



ALL JUST MOO.....NOTHING FACTUAL ALL SPECULATIONS ON MY PART.
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..........this posting, my apply more to the family of 3 killed today in IL......then in Omaha?