Ontario California - Incredible Recycling Facility Fire

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  • #1
Unreal -

From high up it almost looks like lava....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUIs0EBjfO8

Couple minutes in there are railroad things starting on fire, but they look like they are near houses - it is confsuing why they are not watering them?
 
  • #2
I want to yell get the railroad ties! It almost feels like they cant see that they are fire. I wonder what determines when they move the hose? A guy says it smells like rubber.


Actually been fascinating to watch how they are doing it -

Neat video of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tt9jRNBrcU
 
  • #3
Massive smoke cloud on the way home from work.
I could see it from 35 miles west in Altadena.
 
  • #4
Massive smoke cloud on the way home from work.
I could see it from 35 miles west in Altadena.

Well, there is a lot more strategy to this than I knew! I just completed Firefighting 101 - and will continue to take notes (kidding) from the air-conditioned room!
 
  • #5
Where is Firefox when you need him/her!

I have never been able to do a thing with the search feature - if someone knows how to get to his/her page where I can PM that would be great - he/she would like to watch the video I am sure!
 
  • #6
Scary! I hope no one was injured when the fire started. It was a cardboard recycling plant - no wonder the fire is massive. Some of the trucks in the parking lot are also burning! I hope the fire doesn't reach the houses. FFs are going into backyards with the hoses.
 
  • #7
Where is Firefox when you need him/her!

I have never been able to do a thing with the search feature - if someone knows how to get to his/her page where I can PM that would be great - he/she would like to watch the video I am sure!

(Sending Foxfire a summons on your behalf :wave:

Eta: For future reference, if you click on notifications, settings, or your username at the top right margin, you can messages that way. :))
 
  • #8
Scary! I hope no one was injured when the fire started. It was a cardboard recycling plant - no wonder the fire is massive. Some of the trucks in the parking lot are also burning! I hope the fire doesn't reach the houses. FFs are going into backyards with the hoses.

Where is Firefox when you need him/her!

I have never been able to do a thing with the search feature - if someone knows how to get to his/her page where I can PM that would be great - he/she would like to watch the video I am sure!

(Sending Foxfire a summons on your behalf :wave:

Eta: For future reference, if you click on notifications, settings, or your username at the top right margin, you can messages that way. :))

Firefighting 101; Large fire; Large Hose & Small Fire; Small hose.. LOL, just kidding.. In a large fire as in a large cardboard & wood pallet recycling fire, there is an abundance of fuel and oxygen which creates a dramatic inferno and radiant heat. Master streams such as 1000 gallons per minute Deluge Guns, Snorkels, and Ladder Pipes are usually required to bring the fire under control and protect any exposures threatened due to the extreme heat. A fire of this magnitude will also create severe wind conditions. Flying hot embers will travel great distances downwind from these fires, igniting vegetation and other structures in its path. Fire trucks are staged in the area to locate and extinguish these fires.
Thanx for the invite CAR, M25..
 
  • #9
I'm pretty sure I delivered a load of scrap cardboard here in the late 90's. Hopefully no injuries.
 
  • #10
Firefighting 101; Large fire; Large Hose & Small Fire; Small hose.. LOL, just kidding.. In a large fire as in a large cardboard & wood pallet recycling fire, there is an abundance of fuel and oxygen which creates a dramatic inferno and radiant heat. Master streams such as 1000 gallons per minute Deluge Guns, Snorkels, and Ladder Pipes are usually required to bring the fire under control and protect any exposures threatened due to the extreme heat. A fire of this magnitude will also create severe wind conditions. Flying hot embers will travel great distances downwind from these fires, igniting vegetation and other structures in its path. Fire trucks are staged in the area to locate and extinguish these fires.
Thanx for the invite CAR, M25..

Oh good you are here!

I was gonna say to argarita25 thanx for the hookup , but then decided on a reframe, and went with thank you for the LINK UP!! HA!

Hi Fox
I became fascinated and watched the whole thing!

It was incredible to see all aerial it gave such a different perspective of the job. At first, it looked like just aiming and letting the water flow. But then it started to seem much more strategic than that.

Random questions :

Are there different terms that you guys/gals (guys from here on just being PC) use as it relates to spraying patterns?

Is there a lot of talking to one another while doing one this big. Obviously I know nothing so just gonna make it up. Are you talking to the truck near you and saying I am going to start the zig spray and the other one says ok so I will start saturation spraying?

Is there like coordination where everyone is aiming at all times- or in something this big does it start out everyone on their own>

I noticed when on guy started doing what actually like a regular sprinkler movement move a little at time that seemed super effective, so I wondered why that would not have been done along - in hte beginning it was pretty stationary spraying by all units.

But then it did seem as time went by there was a lot more movement of all the guys in terms of spraying patterns

That hose on top of the ladder was unreal and he too seemed to doing a totally different thing - it was like "tossing" water.

There were unburning crates piled up - then it seemed like it reminded me of the games in a carnival where you take a water gun and aim it into the clown mouth and the balloon blows up!

They aimed the hose right on one big pile of crates for a long time and then the crates all fell over - kinda cool. I was wondering if that was planned? Made sense let a huge heap of drenched crates falling over into the inferno would seem like a good idea.But what I noticed then was when the crates fell it created an opening and sure enough he went in lower with the hose to get more at the base of the fire and it made a big differnce.

So then I wondered why aren't more of them doing that same thing - like all the time?

It also seemed like fire was ignoring you guys for a while but when you started "winning" (!) that happened reasonably quickly compared to the initial battle.

I only counted like 6 trucks which at the beginning I kept waiting for more to come - but that did not happen?

What determines how many go? I thought if I was the fire chief and seeing what was happening I would w want more right away!

Were they using good (latest) trucks?

Can a truck just go and-and go as long as there is water - do they overheat?

Do different members of each truck have a specific role - or is it like anyone can do anything required

How hot do you think it was directly around them.

How much "backpressure" on your arms , legs and back - just watching my arms started getting sore!!

With what you watched would you give them an A?

There was one guy one roof of a building, I thought gosh how long would it take to get that setup in action?

There was a long period of time where the railroad ties were ignored- that surprised me - but thought maybe cause of the smoke they could not see , then wondered if you guys are constantly rearranging yourselves with one another the whole time

What determines truck placement? Would there ever be a reason why that would all have to be "redone"? It would seem doing that with all the hoses etc would give the fire time to intensify.

I had always thought it was just pointing at flames!!

Was it an extraordinary fire in your opinion

It was amazing..........................................................
 
  • #11
(:coffee:)
 
  • #12
Oh good you are here!

I was gonna say thanx to argarita25 thanx for the hookup but then decided to thank you for the LINK UP!!



Hi Fox

Ha! I am going to do this like it is 1950 and I am on my psycotherapsits couch and doing stream of concsinious verbiliaztions as I was watching. I became fascianted and watched the whole thing!

It was incrdible to see all aerial it gave such a different perspective of the job. At first it looked like just aiming and letting the water flow. But then it started to seem much more strategic than that.

Random questions :

Are there different terms that you guys/gals (guys from here on just being PC) use as it relates to spraying patterns?

Is there a lot of talking to one another while doing one this big. Obviously I know nothing so just gonna make it up. Are you talking to the truck near you and saying I am going to start the zig spray and the other one says ok so I will start saturation spraying?

Is there like coordination where everyone is aiming at all times- or in something this big does it start out everyone on their own>

I noticed when on guy started doing what actually like a regular sprinkler movement move a little at time that seemed super effective, so I wondered why that would not have been done along - in hte beginning it was pretty stationary spraying by all units.

But then it did seem as time went by there was a lot more movement of all the guys in terms of spraying patterns

That hose on top of the ladder was unreal and he too seemed to doing a totally different thing - it was like "tossing" water.

There were unburning crates piled up - then it seemed like it reminded me of the games in a carnival where you take a water gun and aim it into the clown mouth and the balloon blows up!

They aimed the hose right on one big pile of crates for a long time and then the crates all fell over - kinda cool. I was wondering if that was planned? Made sense let a huge heap of drenched crates falling over into the inferno would seem like a good idea.But what I noticed then was when the crates fell it created an opening and sure enough he went in lower with the hose to get more at the base of the fire and it made a big differnce.

So then I wondered why aren't more of them doing that same thing - like all the time?

It also seemed like fire was ignoring you guys for a while but when you started "winning" (!) that happened reasonably quickly compared to the initial battle.

I only counted like 6 trucks which at the beginning I kept waiting for more to come - but that did not happen?

What determines how many go? I thought if I was the fire chief and seeing what was happening I would w want more right away!

Were they using good (latest) trucks?

Can a truck just go and-and go as long as there is water - do they overheat?

Do different members of each truck have a specific role - or is it like anyone can do anything required

How hot do you think it was directly around them.

How much "backpressure" on your arms , legs and back - just watching my arms started getting sore!!

With what you watched would you give them an A?

There was one guy one roof of a building, I thought gosh how long would it take to get that setup in action?

There was a long period of time where the railroad ties were ignored- that surprised me - but thought maybe cause of the smoke they could not see , then wondered if you guys are constantly rearranging yourselves with one another the whole time

What determines truck placement? Would there ever be a reason why that would all have to be "redone"? It would seem doing that with all the hoses etc would give the fire time to intensify.

I had always thought it was just pointing at flames!!

Was it an extraordinary fire in your opinion

It was amazing........................................... ...............

CARIIS, fires of this size and magnitude obviously require a tremendous amount of resources and the tactics and strategies used is dependent on many variables that have to be factored in such as weather, water supply, and manpower, etc.. A predetermined number of Fire Apparatus are assigned by dispatch to respond to specific structures. Since this was a high fire load industrial structure, a common assignment on the 1st Alarm would have been 3 Engines/Pumpers and 2 Aerial Ladder Trucks, a Chief's Car and Rescue Unit. Once on the scene and a size up of the incident is made, more Alarms/Fire Apparatus may be requested. These Apparatus will usually stage a block away until directed to the scene to assist by command. This is done to prevent congestion hampering firefighting operations.

Progressive Fire departments have pre-fire inspections and plans in place, and actually train while utilizing the plans before a fire occurs where special hazards are present. A fire scene incident command is set up to implement the strategy and tactics, communicating placement and mission orders to the responding fire companies on a private fire ground channel.

Primary and secondary searches for victims are priority and are performed in conjunction with protecting the exposures to prevent fire spread, while bringing the fire under control. Once under control and eventually extinguished, overhaul operations begin to leave the scene in a safe manner and to insure that there will not be hot spots causing rekindles.

I'd give them an A since the fire was extinguished.. Nozzle pressures of hand lines are normally around 100# and have a combination of patterns from fog to straight streams. re: time to set up FF on roof? Aprox 3 to 5 minutes. The pumper drivers, referred to as Engineers have formulas which determine the pump pressure required to get a desired nozzle pressure. Straight streams are normally used when distance and penetration is needed. Many times due to the heavy smoke conditions and visibility, a FF may overshoot the fire with the stream which is ineffective. This can be determined by the color of the smoke; steam is white & smoke from the fire usually gray. The holes cut in roofs of fire building are for releasing the extreme heat & gas for ventilation. This allows entry by FFs with hand lines and also prevents deadly backdrafts.
The pumps of the Fire Engines seldom get hot and can operate for long periods at a time,even for days.
Hope I answered all your questions..

This is the Atlanta Fire unit that I retired from as Captain 25 years service
[video=youtube;v0KKuReLSys]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0KKuReLSys[/video]
 
  • #13
Continued reply:


Atlanta Firefighter & Rescue training; ladder raises, hose lays, etc..
[video=youtube;Y9xX2dthW4U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9xX2dthW4U[/video]
 
  • #14
  • #15
I'm pretty sure I delivered a load of scrap cardboard here in the late 90's. Hopefully no injuries.

If you could not find a spot I am sure they have availability today !
 
  • #16
as released so much smoke that air quality officials issued an advisory.

80 firefighters and nearly 20 trucks

Flames also took down electric lines and knocked out power to some surrounding businesses and homes. About 200 residents were forced to evacuate, and the South Coast Air Quality Management District issued a smoke advisory for Friday night and Saturday morning.

Saturday, firefighters revved up bulldozers and heavy machinery to rip open burning trash bales and stamped out hot spots around the eight-acre property. Two firefighters suffered minor injuries fighting the blaze. A woman observing the fire suffered minor smoke inhalation when the winds shifted.

allowed to return to their homes by Saturday morning.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-ontario-fire-smoke-20161022-snap-story.html
 
  • #17
Continued reply:


Atlanta Firefighter & Rescue training; ladder raises, hose lays, etc..
[video=youtube;Y9xX2dthW4U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9xX2dthW4U[/video]

Thanx that was neat!!
 
  • #18
burning bales of plastic bottles, cardboard and other recyclables --

3-alarm fire caused hundreds of evacuations in local homes and businesses.

spread to a neighboring recycling center.

http://ktla.com/2016/10/21/fire-sends-smoke-towering-over-ontario-area/
 

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