Opening Statements

[Just the Fax]

That's my sarcasm at work once again! (guilty as charged). It sure sounds like a lot of effort to me.

I have a feeling that this murder may not have been as much of a spur-of-the-moment thing as I once believed. I think there was some planning to it. I think he may have been plotting something for a few days. Maybe it wasn't all that well-formed, and maybe the exact timing wasn't completely worked out, and we surely know he made mistakes and never imagined how quickly Nancy's friends would spring into action. He clearly didn't understand what normal human behavior was. He didn't understand that as the estranged spouse he would be uno primo suspect, as all spouses are in such cases.

I think lots of little things caught him off guard and there is no such thing as a perfect murder. He thought he outsmarted everyone and he came up with excuses for everything.

No doubt a textbook sociopath....
Grandoise self worth
Shallow emotions
Lack of guilt or shame

Not sure I buy the murder as planned.
If that were the case, he would have been extra nice, especially in front of the friends and certainly not withheld money.

I still think she came home around 12am a bit lit and proceeded to confront him. She was mad and only got angrier with her buds around. A huge argument ensued and he choked the life out of her.
I think they both hated each other.

 

[raisincharlie]

I need help understanding this idea. I understand call spoofing can be used to mask the caller id and if done then the receiving phone would show a call received by the spoofed number. However, the call records for the landline would not have any records of these calls, correct? So, is it possible to remote control the landline in order for it to place a call? This would then have the landline have a call record that would match the call record of the cell phone. I assume the call records of the landline have been retrieved?

Other than long distance dialing, the typical landline has no record of calls to local numbers. However, the landline number would show up on Brads cell history as a received call. The one he couldn't figure out how to get to .

Various people have different ideas about VOIP - on that we are just going to have to wait for the expert testimony to get the real answer. I sure don't know the answer to that at this point.

 

[SleuthyGal]

He presented like "therapy was an option" in the October video dep. However, I can get behind what you are saying here.

Also, here's a thought. The girl who called 911 was offering to pay her for painting, wasn't she? So, she probably was aware of the scenario you were spelling out below. Wonder what else she has to say. I mean, when my friends say, Hey, come paint my ________ or help me _________, unless I am shelling out cash for supplies or driving to heck and back, I don't expect payment. Or is that just me?

Also, I didn't get the impression from (even the family side) that she was "cut off from household dough" but that she was definitely cut off from having anything beyond the household money.

You should review the custody hearing testimony (oct 2008) because a much different picture emerges. Her friends testified they were aware of the financial strains/controlling that was happening those last several months. They testified they were trying to help Nancy. She was invited to dinner to help her out (with her kids), she did this one painting job and was slated to do another, the friends knew because she talked about it (again cf the sworn testimony from the custody hearing). She did not have access to any monies other than what Brad gave her (or any help given by her family). Further, the testimony from her twin sister and other friends was that Brad wanted her gone, out of the house, take the kids too, go back to Canada. Then he changed his tune when he found out that a separation/divorce would be expensive. And it was game on...a different game. This is all from testimony, btw.

 

[CyberPro]

I need help understanding this idea. I understand call spoofing can be used to mask the caller id and if done then the receiving phone would show a call received by the spoofed number. However, the call records for the landline would not have any records of these calls, correct? So, is it possible to remote control the landline in order for it to place a call? This would then have the landline have a call record that would match the call record of the cell phone. I assume the call records of the landline have been retrieved?

Albert,

Given BCs expertise in VOIP phone systems, I would not trust any logs that were in the system. In short, yes, they can be configured for remote login and call placement, but the absence of any data showing this kind of call would not really say much about it happening or not. It would not be out of the question for him to alter the logs, they are usually text logs. The cell records would show a fairly close location of where the phone was when the call was received, and what number called it.

CyberPro

 

[ncsu95]

Another thing that bothers me are the HT videos. He clearly has different shoes on in the 2nd trip. I could see the scenario where he goes to get the milk (first trip), gets home and takes off his shoes. Then Nancy sends him back to get detergent. So he slips on slippers or whatever those were for the 2nd trip. I see no other reason for him to have changed shoes.

 

[Albert]

Hasn't been made public yet. As someone pointed out, you could do it with a fax machine (ie have a fax machine set to make a call at a predetermined time.

But the landline would still not have a call record showing calls placed to the cell phone, correct?

 

[ncsu95]

Other than long distance dialing, the typical landline has no record of calls to local numbers. However, the landline number would show up on Brads cell history as a received call. The one he couldn't figure out how to get to .

Various people have different ideas about VOIP - on that we are just going to have to wait for the expert testimony to get the real answer. I sure don't know the answer to that at this point.

All calls on landlines are recorded. Their service provider would have record of it.

 

[ncsu95]

But the landline would still not have a call record showing calls placed to the cell phone, correct?

Yes, it should. Not on the bill they receive, but the provider should have record of it.

 

[raisincharlie]

All calls on landlines are recorded. Their service provider would have record of it.

We shall see. I rather doubt that.

 

[dgfred]

I went back and listened a second time - heard more than the first time. Two things have really peaked my interest:

1. A description of the green dress. Not only did LE look for it the day Nancy was reported missing but Diana Duncan looked for it - it was nowhere to be found in that house. Brad produces it the next day. (Where was this dress while everyone is looking for it ? They don't find the dress but they do find her running shoes. Brad feels compelled to give the dress to LE the next day, after they have her shoes for the canine needs. Interesting)

2. Regarding the landline - Brads call history shows a total of three calls from the landline to his cell phone - 3 - but yet Brad only tells LE about one. (These calls IMO will sink him if it can be proven that he somehow initiated these calls via VOIP).

These, and the two 'same' shoes on the shelf. That's a big one IMO. Like he grabbed a couple in a rush, lining up the two remaining to look like normal. Not realizing they were the same foot.

 

[CyberPro]

Yeah, I can't say about anyone but me, but I usually wear the same pair of shoes all the time. If I am wearing shorts, I will have some running shoes or something, but in jeans or longer pants, I wear my work shoes. I can't see getting home, finding out you gotta go back out and not just wearing the same shoes.

CyberPro

 

[dgfred]

All calls on landlines are recorded. Their service provider would have record of it.

You meant 'noted', right? Not actually recorded like a tape of the calls?

 

[Just the Fax]

Another thing that bothers me are the HT videos. He clearly has different shoes on in the 2nd trip. I could see the scenario where he goes to get the milk (first trip), gets home and takes off his shoes. Then Nancy sends him back to get detergent. So he slips on slippers or whatever those were for the 2nd trip. I see no other reason for him to have changed shoes.

Did you see his attire?
Who wears jeans and and a dark sweater in july? ( NC anyway)
Was he trying to hide scratches or bruises?

 

[ncsu95]

We shall see. I rather doubt that.

There is a CDR or IPDR generated for every call. Why would expect there not to be?

 

[SleuthyGal]

Yes, it should. Not on the bill they receive, but the provider should have record of it.

I agree. Every call made creates an entry in a log file somewhere. It may not appear on one's bill, but somewhere there is a record of the phone being dialed (if it was dialed). It might be at the central office or where the switching occurs.

 

[ncsu95]

There is a CDR or IPDR generated for every call. Why would expect there not to be?

Of course, I say that and then read this from Verizon:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,195745,00.html

"Phone companies do not even make records of local calls in most cases because the vast majority of customers are not billed per call for local calls,"

 

[johnfear]

Did you see his attire?
Who wears jeans and and a dark sweater in july? ( NC anyway)
Was he trying to hide scratches or bruises?

Canadians.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Did you see his attire?
Who wears jeans and and a dark sweater in july? ( NC anyway)
Was he trying to hide scratches or bruises?

I noticed that right away. Even at 6am it's warm out in July in this area. Really warm. I believe he was covering up scratches or, possibly, some mud or dirt from dumping Nancy's body. It's also probably why he changed shoes. New subdivision just cut in, swampy type area with mud. Think about it. Why else change shoes?

 

[Just the Fax]

I feel there must be a 'smoking gun' and it is likely the VOIP.
If not, I doubt Willoughby would have pulled the trigger so soon.

 

[ncsu95]

You meant 'noted', right? Not actually recorded like a tape of the calls?

Yes, as in a record of them (not an audio recording).