Opinion on the woman that claims her daughter was raped and tortured by Zodiac?

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Hi all,

I have looked around and there isn't a thread for this that I could find (mind you I am new so please let me know if I'm doing anything wrong!).

Following the case, on several message boards I have come across a woman who claims her daughter was raped and sexually tortured by a man she believes to be the zodiac.

http://zodiackillernorth.blogspot.co.uk

I was just wondering what everyones opinions are? Whilst I do find it a possibility, something just doesn't ring right with me. :banghead:
 
  • #2
My opinion is this guy is nothing like the Zodiac. Also he seems to have no criminal charges against him. Google the name and only the womans blogs come back.
I think the little girl may have been hurt but the Zodiac idea is far fetched and without much bases. Lots of the site is far fetched.
I watched a program last night about the Zodiac so I was interested in checking this out. Thanks.
 
  • #3
If this thread included a poll and the poll included the choice of "highly dubious" I would click on that choice.
 
  • #4
I have to agree. I am not certain why the mother is still eliciting information from her daughter. I do understand that sometimes LE revictimizes the victim by not taking them seriously, however, I think a mother would fight for the right treatment and help, rather then try to get a book deal out of it.

The problems I see with this is:
1)The mother is further violating her daughter by posting something so painful and private on the web. Most abuse victims craze privacy.
2) The more the mother tries to pry information out of the child, the greater the stories become. A child will continue to fabricate and create bigger and bigger stories, trying to figure out what the adult wants. In a child's mind if the same questions are asked over and over, obviously the first answer wasn't "right". Legitimate cases get thrown out of court for leading...
3) The mother may have some sort of conversion disorder and feel a need to create greater and greater drama about the abuse to avoid looking at where she may have missed red-flags with her child.
4) Something most likely did happen to the little girl and the actual abuse is being lost in the drama. In fact, by not listening to the original story and getting help from there, the mother is revictimizing the daughter just as police did, because apparently the story wasn't believable or enough the first time.
5) I think what is the worst part is as the mother continues to elicit information and the story gets more violent, the girl is left with the sense that the original abuse she suffered was not significant enough to get attention. She is not being validated for the actual trauma of the abuse, only getting the message that abuse has to consist of "satanic rituals" or high profile serial killers to get attention or be worth anything.
6) It is a me, me, me blog...Justice, healing and recovery come from therapy and time, not book deals and blogging about system failure.

The only thing I can think with this is maybe the perpetrator or potential perpetrator has some sort of assets the mother would like to be rewarded with. I see nothing on that blog that shows the mother is doing this out of true concern or the well being of her child. In fact, the mother is doing further harm and destroying any possible case for justice. :-( IMOO
 
  • #5
Oh. One more thing. Someone who is genuinely interested in the fight for girl's and women's rights and freeing them from exploitation does not accept paid advertisements for what amounts to "mail order" Asian brides on their website. :banghead:
 
  • #6
This is Melody and I am the woman you are speaking of. First of all I would like to say that I respect the opinion of those who do not support me. Generally I find those who judge me so critically are those who have not read all the posts on my blog and their entirety and have not been aware of my fight for justice over the years.

My daughter is not a child anymore. She is 21 years old, a drug addict and a prostitute and has been so since the age of 12. My daughter is fully aware of my blog, that I am writing a book and she supports my fight for justice. Unfortunately she is too messed up herself to come forward and try to do anything about this.

A few years ago, before I started my blog or resumed my fight for justice my child said "Mom, it really messed me up that the cops didn't believe me", she also said "I wonder how my life would have turned out if I was never taken away from you." She was taken from Children's psychiatric ward because the diagnosis was that she was so traumatized that she needed special care. I was still suffering a lot myself and was severely depressed and in my own therapy and I just wasn't able to give my child the same kind of care that a family experienced at dealing with sexually abused children could.

I have tried over and over to get the police to listen, but they don't care. All anyone has to do is google "BC Missing Women Inquiry", and you will find a ton of media coverage on how this bias and negligence has been going on a long time here in British Columbia. My child and I are not the only victims here.

I have already gone through 7 years of counselling to try and overcome what happened to my child, but it will never leave me. Me fighting, starting the blog, writing a book, sending out tons of emails to women's organiazations, missing persons organizations, media etc, is all to help me cope, to show my daughter that I never stopped fighting for her, and to gain public support that will give me the momentum that I need to force the RCMP to be responsible for the gross negligence.

What is in the past I cannot change, but hopefully I can help to make changes moving forward so that when a child victim comes forward with disclosures of abuse, that they are believed and not dismissed and treated like a piece of **** and the cop treated both my child and I. Just because someone does something so horrifying to a child that it is inconceivable, doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

Whatever this man did to my child, whether she witnessed murders, or he only convinced her she saw these things, is abuse no matter which way you put it. There is a lot of evidene not posted on my blog that the RCMP refused to look at and Ron Rice, Forensic Examiner in the US has taken on my case pro bono. His opinion thus far is that my evidence is explosive and I haven't even sent it all to him. Ron himself is astonished at how the justice system here could have been so blind and outwardly negligent.

As for the Zodiac connection, I have never said this guy is Zodiac. I was watching the movie in 2007, and recognized the handwriting... "That's just how Henning writes!", I yelled out. Now I am not claiming to be an expert, I just recognized the style, as being the same way he wrote, and I have posted samples on my blog that show this. Doesn't me he is Zodiac, but I started doing some research and finidng more and more weird things that made a possible connection, and all I am doing is sharing those strange coincidences.

I abosolutely do believe this man is a killer and killings in BC have happened in areas where he had family as did the Zodiac killings way back... in areas he had family. Anyway there is a lot that leads me to believe the man is a killer, and it is all laid out on my blog... such as always throwing away his clothing and runners even when they were new, driving a van with chains hanging from the ceiling behind the passenger seat up Highway of Tears the same time women disappear, he was always giving me used women's clothing, wallets, and watches, etc, etc, etc... not to mention the secret compartment he dug out under his bathroom floor and the strange smell in his apartment...

There is far too much to this story to share here or on a blog and that is why I am writing a book. I want to make people aware that this kind of thing does happen. That people we trust can be evil. The the police we think are there to protect us, don't always protect us, and when a child discloses abuse we should believe them...

Some will continue to judge me critically, and that is ok. I am not here to sway opinions, but just speak up for who I am and why I fight for justice. I am just a mom who is still devastated by what happened to my child, and I will never give up fighting.

PS: As for the ads, it's google adsense, so I will have to look into having that stuff removed. I had no idea. And the only reason I put that on there was after some of my team members urged me to do so to raise money for investigations and forensics.

My team is at http://www.[link removed]/Zodiac-Killer-North?a=275377 where I have posted a campaign to raise funds for investigations and forensics as well as my book. This again was urged by one of my team members. You can google anyone of these people to find they are legitimate professional people who have been backing me.

Thank you and I respect everyone's opinion. Some support me and some don't. I thank those who have followed me the past couple years and sent me their support and words of encouragement. For those who don't, it is the difference in opinion that makes the world an innovative place....
 
  • #7
Hi all,

I have looked around and there isn't a thread for this that I could find (mind you I am new so please let me know if I'm doing anything wrong!).

Following the case, on several message boards I have come across a woman who claims her daughter was raped and sexually tortured by a man she believes to be the zodiac.

The Genocide Relating to Canada's MMIWG's & Aboriginal Children

I was just wondering what everyones opinions are? Whilst I do find it a possibility, something just doesn't ring right with me. :banghead:
Hi This is Melody Wall again the owner of the blog. PTSD took me away from my work for over a decade. My story is about my journey fighting for justice for my child and for our missing and murdered women and girls. During my quest to find justice I accidentally stumbled across information pointing this man to being the Zodiac Killer. Doesn't mean he is Zodiac, just means I found some strange things, like how well the handwriting matches, and the composite when you draw a beard on and a host of a bunch of different information.

This story originates with my quest to find justice for my child. I am still working hard to give my daughter the voice she never had. She described to me very graphic murder scenes she said she was at and this story is about my journey dealing with everything she was telling me and on audio tape on the blog or youtube. There is a remote possibility that Zodiac continued to kill in British Columbia Canada, which is just North of the Canada/US border.

Here in BC it is well known that epic failure by the RCMP investigating our missing women and McCleans Magazine called it a Royal Canadian Disgrace. I find that people who generally make the type of comments here, are people who have not read through the whole blog to see what I am talking about. Now this guy I am talking about may have only known a lot about Zodiac and modeled himself after him, but there really does seem to be some kind of connection there, whatever that may be.

On this forum people may not believe, but on other forums, I have read I make a strong case for the Zodiac, or how I have stronger evidence than anyone else out there, or how the composite looks just like my suspect, etc..... Something really bad happened to my child for her to express the disclosures that she did, and experts have told me it's impossible to imagine things such as textures and smells which my daughter used in her descriptions of witnessing murder and cannibalism. One cannot make a final judgment without reading the whole blog and even viewing comments that I have always responded to, in order to share my experience.

I am most definitely not trying to exploit my daughter! I am doing this for my daughter to give her the voice she was robbed of when one cop decided to play God over her life. And if any money comes from the book the money will go into trust foro my daughter and hopefully be used to pay for her drug rehabilitation and to set her up so she can persevere in life without putting her life at risk. Nobody can imagine how it feels as a mother to have a child who has suffered all of this, and it is her own words as an adult said she had been to the pig farm and saw murders.

There will be more stuff in my book and this has been a long an arduous process. I will remind viewers once again to Google Missing Women Inquiry BC, Canada, to find out the cops here didn't listen to anyone including me about our missing women. Just because there were no charges, doesn't mean the crimes perpetrated against my daughter didn't happen. Can any of you imagine being through this journey I have been on? To go to the police and being completely dismissed including for the sexual assault???

Children's hospital psychiatrist said my daughter's disclosures of murder and cannibalism were not of deceptive or delusional content, adding further weight to her credibility. A one month residential psychiatric assessment also showed her abuse was likely. The play therapist hired by the Vancouver Police Department to try to find evidence re our missing women after i called in a tip to America's Most Wanted, all confirmed that my daughter had displayed themes of extreme violence and dismemberments. It is literally taking a book to share all this information.

I have not once said that my suspect is Zodiac beyond a reasonable dought, I just leave this subjective material for the reader to determine for themselves whether I actually stumbled onto something or not. There is more information than is on my blog and it will be in the book. Unfortunately I am locked out of my blog and cannot recover it. The first page is a bit out there because of my severe PTSD at the time and I literally snapped. It has taken me over a decade to return to my work and I am no different than any other parent or family member of such a victim who shared their story in the pursuit of justice. If anyone has any questiions I am more than happy to answer them at [email protected] or even by responding to comments on my blog.

I thank those who have continued to support me, and your well wishes for my daughter do not go unnoticed. God Bless. Melody Wall.

PS: Lots of killer over the years have changed their MO and/or signature to keep going undetected. Zodiac said he was going to change how he killed his victims and make it look like robberies, accidents, etc. Zodiac couldn't keep coming out in that public fashion or eventually he would have been caught. And maybe I found something and maybe I didn't, but one thing for certain is that the man who abused my child at minimum knew a lot about Zodiac because he toyed with me without me even knowing it. Like saying the Exorcist was the best saterical comedy he had ever seen, and giving me a Christmas card that said "Happy Christmass" and a bunch more stuff..........
 
  • #8
I have to agree. I am not certain why the mother is still eliciting information from her daughter. I do understand that sometimes LE revictimizes the victim by not taking them seriously, however, I think a mother would fight for the right treatment and help, rather then try to get a book deal out of it.

The problems I see with this is:
1)The mother is further violating her daughter by posting something so painful and private on the web. Most abuse victims craze privacy.
2) The more the mother tries to pry information out of the child, the greater the stories become. A child will continue to fabricate and create bigger and bigger stories, trying to figure out what the adult wants. In a child's mind if the same questions are asked over and over, obviously the first answer wasn't "right". Legitimate cases get thrown out of court for leading...
3) The mother may have some sort of conversion disorder and feel a need to create greater and greater drama about the abuse to avoid looking at where she may have missed red-flags with her child.
4) Something most likely did happen to the little girl and the actual abuse is being lost in the drama. In fact, by not listening to the original story and getting help from there, the mother is revictimizing the daughter just as police did, because apparently the story wasn't believable or enough the first time.
5) I think what is the worst part is as the mother continues to elicit information and the story gets more violent, the girl is left with the sense that the original abuse she suffered was not significant enough to get attention. She is not being validated for the actual trauma of the abuse, only getting the message that abuse has to consist of "satanic rituals" or high profile serial killers to get attention or be worth anything.
6) It is a me, me, me blog...Justice, healing and recovery come from therapy and time, not book deals and blogging about system failure.

The only thing I can think with this is maybe the perpetrator or potential perpetrator has some sort of assets the mother would like to be rewarded with. I see nothing on that blog that shows the mother is doing this out of true concern or the well being of her child. In fact, the mother is doing further harm and destroying any possible case for justice. :-( IMOO
I just came across your post and I am the mother that you are referring to. You obviously have no idea who I really am, or what I went through with my daughter. I did not prompt my daughter to tell me these stories. She kept disclosing more and more abuse and I didn't even buy a tape recorder for 9 months after her initial disclosure because I was going through so much it just didin't occur to me until several months later that I should get a tape recorder and tape all this stuff she was telling me. I never at any time prompted my daugher to tell me the murder stories and the knowledge she had was way beyond anything a child her age could conceive of and that was told to me by professionals including a psychiatrist from Chiildren's Hospital who said her depictions of murder and cannibalism were not from deceptive or delusional content.

I started the blog because I was desperately trying to get the police to listen to me because I really do believe that my daughter's abuser was responsible for many missing and murdered women in BC, Camada. My fight for justice has not just been for my daughter but for other families of missing and murdered loved ones here in BC as well. My daughter asked me to write her story and told me that it really messed her up that the police didn't believe her. She is not an 8 year old child anymore, she is nearly 35 now and said that she witnessed murders at the Pickton Pig Farm, which was only 2.6 miles from the Pickton Pig Farm.

Just like with the Brobeck's whose daughter was molested by a family friend who was a pedophile, it may be too much to believe that something so crazy as their story could ever happen, but crazy stories like their's and mine do exist. And getting a book deal is the only way that I could ever dream of paying for drug rehabilitation for my daughter and putting money into trust for her so she doesn't have to prostitute herself to survive and put herself in further danger. My daughter has been an addict since the age of 12 because of this stuff and it was while she was in the care of social services because they said she needed a special home with people experienced caring for a sexually abused child. And my daughter had injuries consistant with her torture like the needle marks on her, but it's not like I would think to myself, oh my God you must be tying up my child and sticking pins in her. I asked her what the marks were and she just said she didn't know.

I am well aware that leading a witness could be destructive, but I did not lead my daughter to just randomly say the stuff she was saying and then she would draw pictures that were pretty horrifying too. I called in a tip to America's Most Wanted when they did a show on all our missing women and two detectives came the following day to my house to interview me. They hired a play therapist who was court qualified to work with children and she was trained in how to deal with children in non cognitive therapy. My daughter displayed exposure to extreme violence and dismemberments. That came straight from the therapist and she went there for 9 months before the therapist said "I don't know what that guy did to your daughter, but she has been severely traumatized and I am not qualified to help her." You don't know how hard I worked at getting funding for her therapy and the waitlist I was on at various places in order to get her therapy. i paid $160 per hour for a psychologist for her, but couldn't afford the final report because I couldn't keep up on the payments and the social worker working on my daughter's file said there was no funding for therapy for my daughter. When you actually live through all this, it is amazing how much one goes through and how desperate you get to find answers.

And as I have said I didn't start all this fight for justice without recognizing that there were other victims and families here that were suffering because of the systemic breakdown for justice and all the injustice that families were facing. My bringing this out in public was to hopefully bring answers to some of these families. And no my daughter's abuser, Henning Lagies, didn't have any assets at all for me to go after. How dare you judge me in such a way when you know nothing about my character, or all that my child and I have suffered. You are not aware of the systemic breakdown by our policing agencies and they had a full on missing women inquiry after the DNA of 33 women was found on the Pickton pig farm, only 2.6 miles from my child's abuser's home. And for the record the Vancouver Police didn't have any jurisdiction over my child's case regarding her abuse and the RCMP didn't bother to work with the VPD regarding this when the cop said he would contact them, but never did.

I didn't even find out until 2012 that the RCMP closed the file on my daughter after only 2 months. He didn't follow Children's Hospital's recommendation that my daughter needed a full psychiatric examination to possibly prove her case. Crown Counsel said that the burden of proof in child sexual assaults is really high and because my daughter was so young they didn't find it appropriate to bring the case to trial. The cop working on my daughter's case didn't even ask for medical records or contact any of the 30 contacts I gave him regarding the schools observations of my child's sexaul agressiveness in school, daycare workers, teachers, principals, community members who had all experienced this type of thing with my daughter. In the end my child did a one month residential psychiatric assessment where it was proven her abuse was "Likely"

I started a blog to try to educate people like you about our missing women and girls and what a travesty of justice it has been regarding these females. Still to this day, all these years later, I am still left wondering what all happened to my daughter and what all she was exposed to. It's possible that she was pschologically tortured into believing she saw murder, but it wouldn't explain her use of colors, smells and textures, which experts have said cannot be immagined. I also had two forensic examiners and profilers from the US step up in the name of justice for my child and offered their services pro bono to work on my case. The linguistics of the miurder tape has been annalyzed and it has been noted that a great deal of my daughter's disclosures are from long term memory. We have already been down the road many times in the pursuit of justice, but for many families here, not just mine, we will never see any justice. The only way I was able to give my daughter her voice in what happened to her was to start the blog and to write a book which should be published by 2027 as I am currently in litigation for my gang rape as a teenager and my lawher has asked me not to publish the book yet. PTSD took me away from my work for over a decade, but I am back on the case in hopes that I can get a book deal and be able to set my daughter up to take care of herself instead of being homeless. I always have an open door for her, but I rarely talk to her and never know where she is due to her transient lifestyle and drug addiction. Everyday I worry that today will be the day that the cops knock on my door and tell me my daughter is dead. Can you even begin to imagine what my daughter and I have actually gone though instead of making up assumptions that are extremely offensive and so far off the mark it's not even funny.

And how is my blog "me, me, me?" A writer from Crime Watch Canada Magazine advised me to write about my story to get it out there so that I could force the RCMP to take a better look at who this guy was doing this crazy, sick stuff and whether he was a viable suspect for our missing and murdered women and girls. Like I said my daughter asked me to fight for her, and I have done as much as I could despite that fact that I was left on my own to deal with all of this. I was actually angry at my daughter's school for phoning in suspected child sexual abuse of my daughter because he said my daughter had overt sexual behavior and knowledge beyond her years, but the cop didn't bother to talk to the teacher or principal who called in the report. I was still blind to who Henning really was so I couldn't imagine who would have abused her. Also I never started my blog until 2011, over a decade after my daughter first disclosed her abuse; she was already an adult by then.

And the writer who recommended to me to write a book to force the RCMP to listen, did a 17 page spread on my story in the Crime Watch Canada Magazine. I was constantly reaching out to others to listen and to help me with what was going on, and it was horrible going through all the stuff we were going through which is in the book too. There is a history of my background and where my daughter ended up that needs to be taken into account as well. So please if you have any questions, don't just assume stuff about a person you know nothing about or the battles they have been through trying to get attention re our missing women. I even do the Women's Memorial Walk yearly which is a 4 hour walk and I am disabled. We sing the women's warrior song as we march in memory of all our missing. To the families of our missing, if you see this, I am still fightine for your daughter too.
 
  • #9
Oh. One more thing. Someone who is genuinely interested in the fight for girl's and women's rights and freeing them from exploitation does not accept paid advertisements for what amounts to "mail order" Asian brides on their website. :banghead:
I was advised by someone working in media to put Google Adsense onto my blog. I checked off the boxes to ensure those kinds of ads would not run on my blog, but they ran anyway. I had no idea until a viewer advised me and I immediately removed ALL ads from the blog. I was trying to raise money to pay for a PI and forensics because the police weren't doing their job. I absolutely have been fighting for other families out there suffering pain from their missing loved one. I absolutely believe the man who abused my child was a killer and responsible for many our our missing and murdered women and girls. That's why we had a missing women's inquiry because the cops didn't listen to anyone else either or take tips from the public. We learned all too late with Robert Pickton and my daughter told me when she was grown she saw those murders and the Pickton Pig Farm.

I understand not everybody is going to believe me, but it's unnecessary to be so judgmental and taking cheap shots at someone who has already been through so much trying to get justice for their daughter. My only hope of paying for drug rehabilitation for my daughter and setting up a trust fund for her is by selling a book and hopefully making some sales from that to support my daughter. Poor child never even had a life because of what this man did to her, and nobody could beat me up about what happened to her than myself, so getting dumped on by random people who don't even know me or the real meaning behind my story is just unnecessary.

I ask for this for my daughter. A lot of time has gone by now and her abuser is deceased, but it doesn't mean that cold cases should not still be looked at and perhaps try to bring some answers to other families out there. Had the police done their jobs to begin with perhaps more women didn't have to die. I couldn't live with myself if I thought I hadn't done all that I could within my power to stop more families from suffering. I desperately tried to get the police to listen, just like many others couldn't get the police to listen. McLean's Magazine called the RCMP a Royal Canadian Disgrace, so that should fill the viewers in on the travesty of justice here.

I am not the only one who has suffered here and of course this story originates with my daughter and I will never stop fighting for her as long as I still have breath. I had hoped to launch the JENN Foundation to raise funds for other families who need funds for investigative services, travel related to a missing loved one, like attending rallies, making contacts with LE, etc. I am no different than any other parent who has written a book when something like this happens, or starting foundations, getting laws made or changed, etc. I love you Jennifer and I won't stop fighting for you and to do all that I can to help you turn your life around. Love mom.

As for me PTSD left me unable to work and I lost my housing and all my possessions and waited 8 years to get into subsidized housing. I have nothing to leave my daughter when I pass away. I have no means to help her while I am still alive. I live in poverty and could never dream of paying for rehab for her, but I won't give up for as long as I live trying to help her and to hopefully help other families too if at least one good cop would read the book when it's out and perhaps examine this man as a suspect despite the fact that he is deceased. They can do a lot with forensics now a days. So yes I understand I can't please everyone, but it is just unnecessary to be downright mean.
 

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