OR - Brooke Wilberger, 19, Corvallis, 24 May 2004 - #1

[scandi]

Hi Lynie,

I agree with everything you said Lynie LOL. The fact any 30 yr old still lives with his parents is odd. I think he must have done stock trading for an income, at least that is the only thing I've heard.

His personality ~ havn't read anything about his demeanor, if he is feminine or if he has ever had a girlfriend. We've read nothing about this so far, but if what I saw on KGW on the news is correct about computer images of him dressed in women's underwear, he might fit into the category as a kind of transvestite. I don't know much about this. He evidently stalked women to get to their underclothes, but the girl must have excited him to the point he kept track who the underwear came from - bizzare, huh? So maybe he did like women after all, just didn't attract any on his own because he was weird or feminine. Maybe someone here knows more about this kind of personality.

As for the parents noticing all the panties, it is hard to image the mother never saw this. Some even had panty liners attached! After living with him all of these years maybe his oddities were normal to her and she didn't notice anything too different. Maybe thought the daughter had the obsession with underwear ~ did she live at home too?

Now the daughter not willing to take a LDT is telling, don't you think? They say if one has a sociopathicic personality {think that is the one} they can pass a LDT easily. If the daughter is normal she wouldn't if she has knowledge of his perversion and if in fact she covered for him re: the stock trading.

On the news blip this morning a statement was made that they do have evidence against him in Brooke's case. But who knows what, as they didn't say. The daughter could easily be named as an accessory for helping in his alibi. And I still have this feeling he entered all of these college dorm rooms as a female imposter.

I don't remember anything like this from a few years ago. But I am sure if there is a connection we will hear about it soon. Gonna go see if there are any other news articles today.



xoxoxo Scandi

 

[lynie]

Okay...Yuck. Panti liners still attached?

I will call one of my friends this evening...she and her husband live in the Summerlake neighborhood, and the kids and I have been over there at the park many times. That is the park they searched for evidence last week. Maybe she has some "over the back fence" gossip for us! She has been out of town for a week or so...

I'll let you all know! Lynie

 

[Love_Mama]

As to my other question, do you remember about 3 or 4 years ago another gentleman stalking college campuses and stealing underwear? The reason I remember this is that a man fitting the same description was convicted for stealing at Western Oregon and I think Willamette in Salem, and my cousin was the Mayor of Monmouth (where Western is) at the time. I have tried to find info but cannot, and my cousin has been visiting with some friendly folks in Iraq for a while and I cannot reach him ;o)

Lynie

I don't this this is the case you're talking about lynie but last nite on Cold Case A&E I watched a show.........and here is a rundown on it from the Cold Case Files online website........I will copy.

A professor murdered on a posh estate.
A flight attendant killed in a hotel room.
And a modus operandi mistakenly dismissed.




Cold Hit was the name of the show.
Case #1: Cold Hit

In 1986, a woman professor and former provost at the University of Michigan-Flint is found murdered on the historic Mott Estate. (This was on Campus)

Flint detectives take up the case, and learn that Dr. Margarette Eby was bound, raped and slashed at the throat. The murder appears to be random, police have few suspects, and in the crime-ridden town of Flint in the mid-80’s, the case quickly falls to the bottom of a pile of murder cases.

Five years later and sixty miles away, a Northwest Airlines flight attendant named Nancy Ludwig checks in to an airport hotel and never checks out. Ludwig was bound, raped and slashed from ear to ear. Like the Eby murder, Ludwig had torture wounds on her body. But because of the time and distance separating the two cases, police discount a possible link between the murders.

In 2001, Flint Police and the Michigan State Police form a violent crime task force and reopen the Margarette Eby case. They take semen recovered from the crime scene, develop a DNA profile, and enter it into the national DNA database.
The database comes back with a "Cold Hit", and links the Eby case to the Ludwig case: both crimes were committed by the same unknown perpetrator. Watch Cold Hit and see how detectives track down their man—and find a shocking surprise in his attic.

The above was just a little infor for anyone wanting to see this show.....or may have known about the case.

Turn's out that they eventually found this guy.........who did it.....through one fingerprint that they had and DNA. Even though they wern't able to find him through DNA at the beginning....was because it was a new technique and you had to order it done by the FBI, which they later did. It took 4 month's to get it back. Once they got the DNA.......they then were able to match it from this guy....they did have a suspect...but had to get his DNA to match it....so they followed him around and he was at mall drinking coffee and he left his styroform cup on the table. That's how they got his DNA. When they went to his house (he had a wife and two children by the way) found in his attic, hundreds of pieces of women's underwear.
In both murder's the women were found completely naked with no sign of their clothing anywhere.......because he would take the clothing with him.

Obvouslyl what I'm trying to say is that a person who steal's women's underwear and also have computer nutty stuff...........is a guy all ready
to blow up! I am sure this guy is the one they're looking for. I don't think he had anyone working with him. That doesn't seem to be the norm for this kind of perp!

xxxxxxxxo
mama

 

[Love_Mama]

I just googled something like.......men who steal underwear and look what I found! This is a blog.........and I can't figure out how to get the URL so I'll print this all out.
Title of this is THERE IS SOMETHING ROTTEN IN JAPAN.

This is so sick!
xxxxxxxxxoooooooo
mama

No, I am not talking about those psycho cartoons you can find all over the net. It's about so-called burusera shops. Yoshiro Mizuguchi, Editor in Chief of Monthly Women's Magazine "Fujin Koron", reported back in 1994:
~~~

"There is a certain sort of used clothing shop that has been booming in recent years. The shop is one room in an apartment. There are two display cases, one on each side of the room, facing each other. There are mountains of underwear in every color. You begin to notice the 'abnormality' of the place. This is not a department where beautiful lingerie is sold. These items are all stained and soiled. In other words, they are used. Uniforms from famous middle and high school girls' schools are also on display. They are also dingy. This is place that sells items that should have been thrown away or sent to the cleaners.

Shorts (bloomers) which are used in physical education class (known as Buruma in Japan), school uniforms, and sailor or middy clothes (known as sera) are in these stores. As a result these stores have come to be known as buru-sera shops.

The sellers are just common middle school and high school girls. They stop by on their way home, looking for a little pocket money. Some take out sundry items from their bags, while others take off their underwear on the spot. The clerks then check the amount of soiling and price them accordingly. Among other considerations are smell, and these items are ranked such as 'three day items,' 'one week items,' etc... An appropriate amount of residue of menstrual blood or excrement brings particularly high prices.

In the case of underwear 2000 yen ($20) is the general price. If there is a photo of the girl attached the price can more than double. The 'sailor' clothes are more expensive if they are from a school that is well known or from an 'uptown' girls school. There are some maniacs who will pay any price for a uniform from the Princess' home school.

The girls who come to sell are happy go lucky. "We just want money. This is an easy way to get it and it's better than working part time." There is a never ending flow of white collar workers in their twenties and thirties and college students coming in to buy these unusual items. The girls who come in to sell are not from poor families; on the contrary, they are from established households. It must be said that the monetary values of these "neo-yamatonadeshiko" (daughters of Japan) are severely warped. They have never had to endure anything and the carefree atmosphere has removed the boundaries of common sense. "Get money. Have fun. What's wrong with that?" is how it goes. This is the kind of value that is common to present day Japan.

The girls sell their bodies to get brand name items and have fun. "Matter" has overtaken "Soul." To state it plainly, this is bartering between bodies (matter) and brand name items (matter). There are such markets all over the place. They can sell their bodies as well as their underwear.

It goes without saying that the parents and adults who cannot say, "Cut out this foolishness!" are equally guilty. No one wants to think that selling underwear leads directly to prostitution. But the middle school girls in prostitution say, "I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm keeping it a secret from my parents, but I'm not harming anyone."

According to analysis by psychiatrists, the men who steal or buy or wear women's underwear view the underwear as a substitute for female genitals. This points to a lack of erotic communication between the sexes. There is also a great problem in the sudden increase in adults who buy this underwear and the sexual services of young girls.

Sexual perversion is related to the form of society. What must be pointed out is that there is something fundamentally wrong with this nation when 'buru-sera' shops flourish and 'neo-yamatondeshiko' are allowed to sell themselves without comment from their parents or older. It is a bartering session, one without a soul."
~~~

Recently Tyler Cowen linked to an article (rated PG-13) about Japan's recent ban on the sale of soiled knickers by underage girls.

Glen Withman (Agoraphilia, currently guest-blogging at the Volokh Conspiracy) writes:

Banning a practice you find offensive rarely, if ever, means that the practice will disappear. On the contrary, the outcome is typically a more dangerous manifestation of the same practice. How did the law of unintended consequences play out in this case? Read on:
Underage sellers aren't punished under the ordinance, so the girls are pretty composed about the whole thing," says Gomez Yamada, a writer specializing on teen girl topics. "The ordinance may have shut down the burusera stores, but it has only sparked a thriving trade in schoolgirls using mobile phone sites to conduct direct sales to customers without needing a middleman. They'll arrange to meet in some dark spot like a karaoke box or beside a building, then remove and hand over their panties on the spot in exchange for payment. What's more, they're charging 5,000 to 10,000 yen a pair, about five times what they would have got from a burusera shop. Some girls are even happy the ordinance has come into effect because it's done away with the burusera shops that were eating into their profits.
In other words, the market has gone underground. Girls used to sell their (under)wares to dealers with established businesses, whose primary interest was in making money. They never even had to meet the adult male buyers. But now, under the wise new policy, young girls are arranging clandestine meetings in dark venues with men who are turned on by girls' underpants. Does anyone else see a disaster in the making?


I can see the disaster and I applaud the government's move (Mahalanobis versus Econoblogosphere ;-D). Sellers of soiled underwear should be treated the same way as smokers who want to buy a pack of cigarettes at a gas station in the United States (passport check, iris scan, ...). Men who are turned on by girls' underpants and meet in dark venues with underage girls should be treated and chased like any other criminal.

Mahalanobis - am Samstag, 26. Juni 2004, 00:21 - Rubrik: sociology
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[scandi]

Wow Love_Mama,

Positively sicko! But thanks for that as it does give some understanding to the fettish. Maybe this is an ongoing type of business in Korea as well, as you wouldn't think it wouls be primarily a Japanese enterprise. I've never heard of sales like this happening in America.

Wonder if the crime of rape is on the rise in Japan, or are the girls meeting men and removing their panties for sale on the spot and giving them something else as well? Maybe these guys only want the panty!


Scandi

 

[Love_Mama]

Wow Love_Mama,

Positively sicko! But thanks for that as it does give some understanding to the fettish. Maybe this is an ongoing type of business in Korea as well, as you wouldn't think it wouls be primarily a Japanese enterprise. I've never heard of sales like this happening in America.

Wonder if the crime of rape is on the rise in Japan, or are the girls meeting men and removing their panties for sale on the spot and giving them something else as well? Maybe these guys only want the panty!
Scandi

Sandi.......I was thinking that possibly this is an Asian thing but really don't know for sure. Korea today is a very Metropolitan area.........lot's of industry and much more sophiscated than most people would think. Probably this suspect is pretty sophiscated himself, as he's trading stock's on the internet and you know that he's doing a lot of other things on the internet!

I tend to think they have the right suspect here.............what he may have done with her I don't know.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxooooooooooo
mama

 

[scandi]

Yes Mama,

Now we know why these detectives from Corvallis have had him as a person of interest from the beginning. He has now been arrested 3 times since then, I believe and released twice. Gotta be something more than a pile of dryer lint to link him to the crime, don't you think? Why search that park? Had to have been a good reason, and naturally one they have not put out to the public yet!

The panty thing could be a 'fettish' turned appropriate in Japan, and could be oriental. But I hate to say that as I don't want to be prejudicial.



:blowkiss: Scandi

 

[Anngelique]

Yes Mama,

Now we know why these detectives from Corvallis have had him as a person of interest from the beginning. He has now been arrested 3 times since then, I believe and released twice. Gotta be something more than a pile of dryer lint to link him to the crime, don't you think? Why search that park? Had to have been a good reason, and naturally one they have not put out to the public yet!

The panty thing could be a 'fettish' turned appropriate in Japan, and could be oriental. But I hate to say that as I don't want to be prejudicial.



:blowkiss: Scandi

Yeah, I do think there is more. I heard on the news yesterday they were testing some blood on his garage floor. They have some other body fluids according to the last news link I pasted on the other page. Here is the snip from that....In more evidence laid out against Kim on Friday, investigators in Benton County say he had a beginner's guide to lock picking and that they had taken hair and bodily fluid samples from his car and home, as well as a possible blood sample.

I wonder how long it will be before they can rule in or rule out these came from Brooke?

 

[annemc2]

hi all! about this used underwear fetish thing......i'm pretty sure that it's not just an Asian phenomenon. i've heard rumors for years about being able to sell your used underwear (women's of course!) over the internet for a tidy profit. it wasn't too long ago that i was in college, the advent of the internet had just begun, and boys were into kinky stuff. i'll have to admit that i thankfully didn't actually know anybody that was into this underwear thing, but heard it joked about alot. i'd be a good sleuther and google it for you guys, but don't have the heart right now. (and i secretly suspect that you don't *really* want to know a whole lot more about the subject!!)

 

[lynie]

Now that I am truely grossed out!! I too do not think this is a nationality thing....just a really weird, wacko, demented, tacky, gross thing that shows
I don't know what and I don't really want to know! :snooty:

I am off to do laundry because I really, really have to now! :blushing:

 

[scandi]

Hi,

I think they'll know on the forensics of what they took within a couple of weeks ~ when we hear about it is when they want us to! LOL And I think they'll push the tests because if they match up they're going to maybe try to cut a deal to locate her body.

The absolute scum. To think of this whole scenario is just mind boggeling.

Maybe we'll hear more tomorrow. Meanwhile lots of other charges are piling up as is bail. Don't think this guy will see daylingt for a long time, except moving from courthouse to courthouse!

See you all tomorrow night.


:blowkiss: Scandi

 

[Love_Mama]

I just did a lot of googling.........and yes, women's underwear.......stealing it, buying it, wearing it, is all OVER the world.........well, maybe not all over the world but here is a comment I just got, don't ask me to give you the URL.........cause I figure out out to get it............
xxxxxxxxxoooooooo
mama The first paragraph is the one I want you to see.

Pornographic magazines in the West have long contained advertisements for "used" women's underwear. However, this fetish has been carried to extremes in Japan

Man Accused Of Stealing Women's Underwear
Police: 35-Year-Old Stole From Homes Of At Least 8 People

POSTED: 8:46 a.m. EST June 7, 2004
UPDATED: 10:08 p.m. EST June 7, 2004

LEBANON, Ind. -- Investigators say they've charged the man responsible for stealing panties and bras from women's homes for the past two years.

If Convicted, Man Could Face 160-Year Sentence

Greg A. Wright, 35, of Jamestown, was being held Sunday in the Boone County Jail. He has been charged with eight counts each of theft and burglary, all felonies, said Amy Clouse, Boone County Sheriff's Department communications officer. .............

 

[Anngelique]

Thanks for the interesting if unsettling information LoveMama...

Here is something new about the Brooke case...

June 27, 2004

Brooke's Story Is On 'America's Most Wanted'

Investigators in the Brooke Wilberger case are hoping a national television show will help bring the 19-year-old home.
The Brigham Young University student has been missing for more than a month now after disappearing from a Corvallis apartment complex parking lot.

Since then, investigators have been working hard following up on leads and trying to figure out what happened to Brooke, but have come up empty-handed.

On Saturday night, Fox Television's 'America's Most Wanted' featured Brooke's story on their show.

Cammy Wilberger, Brooke's mom, was on the show and talked about her daughter's disappearance.

"They tell you to be careful of the way you dress so you don't suggest, but she had on a sweatshirt and jeans, her hair was pulled back in a ponytail, and she was working when it happened," she said.

KATU News checked with Corvallis police to see if they received any more tips since the show aired.

They say they did receive a few calls, but the tips did not pan out.

http://katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=68676

 

[scandi]

Thanks Anngelique,

Let's hope the show gets a great tip ~ One 'right-on' tip is all whe need, right?




Hot today, huh? :blowkiss:
Scandi

 

[Anngelique]

Thanks Anngelique,

Let's hope the show gets a great tip ~ One 'right-on' tip is all whe need, right?




Hot today, huh? :blowkiss:
Scandi

YW Scandi,

Yes, one good tip would be a godsend. However, I fear Kim is involved and they will get their information through him. But if this is true it means beautiful Brooke is home with her Heavenly Father.

This makes me very sad.

Thanks for saying I am "hot" today Scandi... I am feeling pretty hot. So nice of you to notice. LOL

 

[Bobbisangel]

How in the world does a young lady just disappear in the middle of the day without anyone seeing something? It just seems that someone just swooped down and grabbed Brooke in a matter of seconds. No one heard a scream or anything. Oh how I hope she is still alive. I don't see how her parents can stand it. I think I would lose my mind because my imagination would just run wild. Elizabeth Smart was a miracle. I hope that we get another one.

It seems like in the last few months or year so many college age girls have come up missing. Seems like it has been one right after the other. I will never forget Dru. How we hoped. I can't stand to even look at her killer. And to think he is the last person Dru saw. That would just kill me if she were my daughter. I couldln't stand it. I just hope that Brooke is still alive but the longer she is gone the less chance there is that they will find her alive. If I were her parents I wouldn't give up until they find her.

That is great that her parents have the Smarts to talk to. They all have the same beliefs and Smarts can be a wonderful support. I hope the outcome is the same for Brooke's parents.

 

[Love_Mama]

I think you could probably grab someone, put them in your car and it would take only one minute or less.

I keep telling my grandchildren to alway's be aware of what is going on around them.
If you're in a busy place, look around............be aware of everything. Jeeze.......makes' you want to move to the desert!

I pray for this girl!

xxxxxxxoo
mama

 

[RCOOKE]

It seems like in the last few months or year so many college age girls have come up missing. Seems like it has been one right after the other. I will never forget Dru. How we hoped. I can't stand to even look at her killer. And to think he is the last person Dru saw. That would just kill me if she were my daughter. I couldln't stand it. I just hope that Brooke is still alive but the longer she is gone the less chance there is that they will find her alive. If I were her parents I wouldn't give up until they find her.

College ages girls have been abducted for years. It wasn't until Dru's case that the national media paid any attention to a missing person over the age of 17. Chandra Levy and Laci Peterson were about the only exceptions to I can like of.

There are over 42,000 missing adults in the USA today. 20,000 of them are female.

 

[scandi]

How Funny Anngelique!

This heat is so hard to live with, and I think it probably goes up and down the Willamette Valley thru Salemand even down to the Eugene area. Then it starts to get really hot ~can't imagine living down by Roseburg where you broil in the summertime! Oh, but I also think everyone is 'hot' that's a WebSleuther, right?

Bobbi and Mama, it is amazing how fast someone can disappear. We really almost saw this with the gal in Florida that was taken this last year, remember, at the gas station. I think the press has done a pretty good job of warning females to kick and scream and fight, but it is something that needs constant reminding. Girls get older every day, and it goes for boys too. There are pervs everywhere.

Once I was sitting waiting for a bus downtown Portland at the bus mall. This bus went slowly past me and I noticed this man staring at me with this lecherous smile on his face. It was horrifying as he had this intense evil countenance about him and his eyes were like two piercing daggers shooting straight at me. I knew in the flash of an eye he had done some terrible things in his life and said a little prayer for anyone who might become vulnerable around him.

Have a great day guys! I didn't even get to read everything last night. When I think of all the info that came out in Laci's case yesterday it is quite a job to assimilate everything now! :hand:



:blowkiss: Scandi

 

[annemc2]

hi guys! yes, we websleuthers are HOT (sizzle, sizzle)! hee hee - especially today in Corvallis! i didn't see anybody post yet something i saw on the news yesterday - they first mentioned that Kim was on a $14 MILLION bond. i guess that's been out for awhile now but that is just a staggering amount! the other thing was that CPD has been checking out storage facilities between Corvallis & Tigard. The news people did some investigating and weren't able to come up with anyone that recognized Kim's photo. i didn't realize how often storage facilities are used for nefarious reasons - i guess just about anything can be.