OR OR - David 'Dave' Lewis, 46, Ashland, 4 September 2008

[Red Clover]

One thing that I can't get out of my head is why the 2 similar deaths close to each other? Either they are related somehow (as in they knew each other and/or have some sort of connection), or perhaps someone killed Troy so that it wouldn't look like Dave was specifically targeted. To make it look like there's a killer/arsonist on the loose and the 2 victims were simply coincidental (it could have been anyone killed in that general vicinity, but s/he ran across those 2 so they were 'it').

As for this article saying the bullet forensics were similar, but not the same, perhaps someone brought 2 guns specifically so the forensics couldn't tie the 2 murders together to one gun/person. If similar, that makes me think it's a gun type of choice for the killer (favorite gun with how they handle, etc.) I wonder if there's a way to tell if the bullets were the same type (like they could have come from the same box of ammo, just used in 2 different guns).

“The bullet that killed Mr. Carney and the one that killed Mr. Lewis are similar but the forensics don’t match.”

Unsolved homicide plagues investigators six years later - KOBI-TV NBC5 / KOTI-TV NBC2

Medford, Ore. — September 4, 2008 an Ashland man was killed inside him home that burned down. Now six years later Jackson County Sheriff’s investigators are still trying to connect the dots. “It’s an ongoing investigation. It’s a giant puzzle we’re trying. We’ve talked to hundreds if not dozens...

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Awhile back @Gemmie said
"...or perhaps someone killed Troy so that it wouldn't look like Dave was specifically targeted. To make it look like there's a killer/arsonist on the loose"
(BBM)

Was this the first red herring?

Was there one killer or two?
Was either murder pre-planned?
Did either Dave or Troy know their killer(s)?

2 similar deaths Labor Day week 2008
2 healthy hardworking men in their 40's killed by gunshots
2 people killed in the late night /very early morning hours
3 arsons used to eliminate possible evidence at crime scenes (2 on 9/3-9/4 on DIMR, 13 miles east of Ashland, OR & 1 on 9/14 2008 in Central Point, OR)

2 guns?
same caliber?
same ammunition?
Forensics are similar but not a match

AS ALWAYS MY STATEMENTS ARE IN MY OPINION ONLY AND IN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE

 

[Lilibet]

From my wandering mind…The property where Dave lived was sold a year ago. I’m curious what the new owners plan to do with it. I wonder if they know about Dave’s murder. Oregon law does not require disclosure of a violent crime to buyers. I assume LE gathered all the evidence they needed early on, so the burned cabin site can be cleared. It’s all so sad.

ORS 93.275 – Incidents not material facts to real property transaction; legislative findings

The following are among incidents that are not material facts to a real property transaction, (a) The fact or suspicion that the…

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JMO

 

[Red Clover]

From my wandering mind…The property where Dave lived was sold a year ago. I’m curious what the new owners plan to do with it. I wonder if they know about Dave’s murder. Oregon law does not require disclosure of a violent crime to buyers. I assume LE gathered all the evidence they needed early on, so the burned cabin site can be cleared. It’s all so sad.

ORS 93.275 – Incidents not material facts to real property transaction; legislative findings

The following are among incidents that are not material facts to a real property transaction, (a) The fact or suspicion that the…

oregon.public.law

JMO

Do you think that there could still be evidence hidden on the property or nearby, like the gun(s)?

I have always wondered if Dave had a stash of cash under his house or hidden/buried on the property.

 

[Red Clover]

Dave was death-threatened at Hyatt Lake.

Another red herring?

As I have never seen or heard an account of this incident I would be interested in learning more about the facts surrounding the threat.

-WHEN EXACTLY was Dave threatened with death?
What date? What time?

-WHO threatened Dave?
BMcN? DMcN? Their wives? Someone else?

-WHERE at Hyatt Lake did the death threats occur? On the lake? In the restaurant/bar? In the parking lot? In the office? In a vehicle?

-WHAT was the specific death threat?

-WHY? What was the motivation for the threat(s)?

-Were there any witnesses to this incident that have verified these threats were made?

-Is LE aware of the death threats?

FACT: Dave was death-threatened at Hyatt Lake. The homicide case is open-unsolved and no one has been ruled out.

THE FIRE

The Murder of Dave Lewis website was created to generate leads, find witnesses and bring attention to Dave Lewis Murder

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NO ONE HAS BEEN RULED OUT

 

[Gemmie]

Do you think that there could still be evidence hidden on the property or nearby, like the gun(s)?

I have always wondered if Dave had a stash of cash under his house or hidden/buried on the property.

Interesting thought on Dave having a stash of cash hidden away somewhere. That could explain why he didn't cash a large inheritance check. He obviously didn't need that money or it would have been banked right away and not set on a windowsill to gather dust. JMO.

I wonder what the people that bought the property would think if they found out there was buried "treasure" on it.

 

[Red Clover]

Interesting thought on Dave having a stash of cash hidden away somewhere. That could explain why he didn't cash a large inheritance check. He obviously didn't need that money or it would have been banked right away and not set on a windowsill to gather dust. JMO.

I wonder what the people that bought the property would think if they found out there was buried "treasure" on it.

He obviously didn't need that money or it would have been banked right away and not set on a windowsill to gather dust.

Dave was a simple guy. He had decent vehicles appropriate for where he lived and what he did for a living.

He had a snowplow attachment for his Ford F250, he charged more per hour for his work truck than he did for himself (it had a lift & all his welding equipment), he usually drove the Jeep to town and I would imagine to the lakes.

He had a HD Sportster motorcycle that he had driven out to Oregon from the east coast in the 80's.

His shed was full of every kind of equipment you could imagine.

He didn't have things like riding lawnmowers or tractors but there were chainsaws & dirtbikes, heavy chains, what looked like a forge or metal working area, etc.

One of Dave & JF's wedding photos
shows them riding off on a snowmobile. Smiling.

He had his fishing equipment. He cut firewood for the cabin and for money sometimes, I had a friend that picked up an emergency truckload one time. Dave kept the forest brush cleared away from around the cabin; so that's a whole set of tools you need for that.

IME, he wasn't an extravagant guy.

The household was decorated with objects he'd crafted himself, a handcrafted iron & glass coffee table, there was a magnificent old cast iron tub, he ground his coffee by hand, he lit kerosene lamps at night and built many a fire in his trusty old woodstove.

Money wasn't Dave's big motivation in life, IMO, maybe it had been before prison and he had enough of a stash of cash that money wasn't a big concern for him.

Like @Gemmie said, that would explain why he didn't feel the need to put the checks in the bank.

IMO- It might also explain why someone would be willing to "just show up" especially if they knew Dave well and that he kept a stash of cash somewhere in or under the cabin, on the property or on public land in the vicinity.

I still wonder when he DID deposit those checks IF they were indeed deposited before his death.

That's my morning musings for now.

AS ALWAYS MY STATEMENTS ARE JMO AND IME ONLY

 

[Red Clover]

I don't think I have ever mentioned that Dave was a wild land firefighter for many years. So he had all that equipment too.

It was a seasonal gig (summer mostly) and he loved it. It's part of why he took such care to protect the cabin from wildfires on the property.

Ironic that he died in a fire. He would have done everything possible not to die that way, I am sure of it.

Dave knew more than most people about how fires work. Heck, he knew how old and dry that cabin was. That's why he protected it.

It was an old hand built cabin that had been a fire lookout historically.

You could see 360 degrees around you when you stepped outside.
It was and is an absolutely glorious location.

Once when Dave had the woodstove cranked he remarked to me that because the cabin was so old & dry that if it were to go up in flames it would burn hot.

Another eerily prescient conversation.

 

[Dotta]

Fate is so strange.
He walked through fire,
And died in fire.

 

[Gemmie]

I don't think I have ever mentioned that Dave was a wild land firefighter for many years. So he had all that equipment too.

It was a seasonal gig (summer mostly) and he loved it. It's part of why he took such care to protect the cabin from wildfires on the property.

Ironic that he died in a fire. He would have done everything possible not to die that way, I am sure of it.

Dave knew more than most people about how fires work. Heck, he knew how old and dry that cabin was. That's why he protected it.

It was an old hand built cabin that had been a fire lookout historically.

You could see 360 degrees around you when you stepped outside.
It was and is an absolutely glorious location.

Once when Dave had the woodstove cranked he remarked to me that because the cabin was so old & dry that if it were to go up in flames it would burn hot.

Another eerily prescient conversation.

BBMFF

Do you think it's possible that whomever murdered him knew that, and that's why he wasn't just shot dead and left that way? The fire could obviously be done to cover stuff up, but I suppose it could also have been done on purpose as something he would have never wanted to happen out of spite/meanness.

 

[Red Clover]

BBMFF

Do you think it's possible that whomever murdered him knew that, and that's why he wasn't just shot dead and left that way? The fire could obviously be done to cover stuff up, but I suppose it could also have been done on purpose as something he would have never wanted to happen out of spite/meanness.

Anything is possible.

I have often wondered if spite/meanness/jealousy was a factor in Dave's death.

 

[Red Clover]

Fate is so strange.
He walked through fire,
And died in fire.

Indeed

 

[Dotta]

Anything is possible.

I have often wondered if spite/meanness/jealousy was a factor in Dave's death.

IMO the killer/s went to great lengths to cover all traces.
Another man was murdered.
There were other fires.

Would spite/jealousy be enough for such mayhem?

JMO

 

[Red Clover]

IMO the killer/s went to great lengths to cover all traces.
Another man was murdered.
There were other fires.

Would spite/jealousy be enough for such mayhem?

JMO

IMO if Dave had been persuaded to part with 1/2 of his share of his parent's inheritance he would still be here, Troy would still be here and none of the fires would have happened. JMO

The mayhem came about, IMOO, because of his refusal to give in to what he considered to be an unreasonable request. JMO

It's a bold statement on my part but it is my opinion at this moment in time based on my experience over 15+ years, and personal communications. I would be happy to be wrong.

 

[Dotta]

It would be absolutely tragic if true.
Family should be united and helpful.
To tell the truth I would share my part if I knew it would help my family member.

But then, I would do it with love and not fear I might be brutally murdered if I refused.

It simply boggles my mind

JMO

 

[Sleuth2010]

maybe ask the registered sex offender and the scofflaws who installed mobile home cabins in a campground, as RV, who broke the law. what they think / know happened.

There were many witnesses to the death threat and commentary going to: burn you out.

Dave went to jail and was extremely tormented by the registered sex offender, the offender's crimes and proclivities being especially heinous. Dave had family members who were daily exposed to this sex offender ( who had multiple identities, in Florida, per the FBI)

Adding opinion, not facts, won't solve this 15 years aged cold case.

 

[Gemmie]

It would be absolutely tragic if true.
Family should be united and helpful.
To tell the truth I would share my part if I knew it would help my family member.

But then, I would do it with love and not fear I might be brutally murdered if I refused.

It simply boggles my mind

JMO

Except that person apparently squandered away their share, and then wanted to be given more.

Per an old post of @Red Clover's:

Dave made it very clear in our conversations that he wasn't going to just "give" half of his inheritance to anyone, especially someone he felt had already squandered their own share.

Full post here: OR - OR - David 'Dave' Lewis, 46, Ashland, 4 September 2008

 

[Sleuth2010]

Unfortunately there are misnomers.
Dave's parents had explicit instructions in their will, as to how their handicap daughter was to be cared for, her entire life. Dave's true family, had nothing to do with his murder. It has nithing to do with his inheritance, unless accusing his sons, which is shameful.

His unspeakable death was a boots on the ground, local killing. Dave hated his x and what he explained as her behavior; police call outs, records and recordings attest to that. If Dave drove through town, he was pulled over, by the police, literally, on sight.

His final days and moments involved violently being screamed at, near the " RV park" at Hyatt Lake. The developers meeting, near the Nugren land, was on the nite of 9/3. It all went down in a four day period of time ( except for the crimes being committed in the build up )

 

[Sleuth2010]

** footnote**

Dave's cabin had electrical. 4 years.

 

[iusedtofloat]

Unfortunately there are misnomers.
Dave's parents had explicit instructions in their will, as to how their handicap daughter was to be cared for, her entire life. Dave's true family, had nothing to do with his murder. It has nithing to do with his inheritance, unless accusing his sons, which is shameful.

His unspeakable death was a boots on the ground, local killing. Dave hated his x and what he explained as her behavior; police call outs, records and recordings attest to that. If Dave drove through town, he was pulled over, by the police, literally, on sight.

His final days and moments involved violently being screamed at, near the " RV park" at Hyatt Lake. The developers meeting, near the Nugren land, was on the nite of 9/3. It all went down in a four day period of time ( except for the crimes being committed in the build up )

i do not understand why you will not even consider money as a motive... i have read these threads on and off for a week or two now trying to understand this case... if you have proof that makes you so sure, why arent there arrests, and why havent the police mentioned anything about this RSO as a POI?

i gotta go with red here... this seems personal, and targeted. they may have lit the fire that killed the other guy just to try and make everyone confused like dave's death wasn't targeted.

money is a HUGE motive for murder, and i dont think this had anything to do with the handicapped daughter unless that was given as an excuse by the family member (not his sons i dont think or Red would have said) to need more money and need it now. i would like to know more about them.

it feels like the things you mention are red herrings because if it was one of those things i think an arrest would've happened sooner. i dont know what makes you so sure this person did it, being an RSO is despicable but doesnt make them a murderer.

 

[Red Clover]

** footnote**

Dave's cabin had electrical. 4 years.

Had you been inside the cabin in the four years prior to his death?

AFAIK there was definitely not what anyone would consider to be any conventional electric connections.

If there was electrical on the property I never saw Dave plug anything in or flip a light switch. JMO