OR OR - David 'Dave' Lewis, 46, Ashland, 4 September 2008

  • #201
IF Troy was killed because he could potentially identify someone who had traveled to the Rogue Valley area and used the Pilot Truck Stop in Central Point around Labor Day weekend in 2008, AND this someone were intent on confronting Dave at his home; they could have used this route to avoid being seen going through Medford or Ashland or on any major highways. MOO

Note: One person at the memorial told me they were camping on Soda Creek.

A big thank you to @Sleuth2010 for the tip about Conde Creek Road being flagged with yellow tape that day/night.


ETA I'm not sure the map I made is working properly. My apologies if not.

It's an approximately 1.5 hour trip per google maps , I would guess longer (2x?) as I don't know how well Soda Creek Road/BLM/Conde Creek Roads are maintained.

Google maps trip:
A- Pilot Center-Central Point
B- Soda Creek Access Road
C- Conde Creek Road
D- Site of cabin
12801 Dead Indian Memorial Rd
42.2526607, -122.5133229

Route:
Pilot Center-Central Point>Hamrick>Vilas>Hwy 62>Hwy 140>Lake Creek>Little Butte Creek>Soda Creek>Conde Creek>Dead Indian Memorial Road
 
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  • #202
Newswatch 12 KDRV
By Andrea Calcagno
September 5, 2008


Re: this statement from your article (that refuses to include itself inside your quote so I'm pasting it here, dumb thing):

"Investigators say of the eight people working the crime-scene, each has a different theory about what happened"

Is that normal for 8 out of 8 investigators to all have a different theory? No 2 alike? That not only seems odd to me, but I don't think I could come up with 8 different theories if I tried! That is also an old article so I wonder if any of them have changed their minds and whittled that large theory list down.
 
  • #203
Re: this statement from your article (that refuses to include itself inside your quote so I'm pasting it here, dumb thing):

"Investigators say of the eight people working the crime-scene, each has a different theory about what happened"

Is that normal for 8 out of 8 investigators to all have a different theory? No 2 alike? That not only seems odd to me, but I don't think I could come up with 8 different theories if I tried! That is also an old article so I wonder if any of them have changed their minds and whittled that large theory list down.

I kind of wonder if that statement was hyperbole meant to indicate that nothing was off the table and there were lots of ideas being tossed around that no one fully agreed on. No stone was unturned, in other words.
 
  • #204
Re: this statement from your article (that refuses to include itself inside your quote so I'm pasting it here, dumb thing):

"Investigators say of the eight people working the crime-scene, each has a different theory about what happened"

Is that normal for 8 out of 8 investigators to all have a different theory? No 2 alike? That not only seems odd to me, but I don't think I could come up with 8 different theories if I tried! That is also an old article so I wonder if any of them have changed their minds and whittled that large theory list down.
It was those working the scene so not necessarily all investigators. It was one of the very first articles so I'm sure they were as baffled as anyone else.
 
  • #205
Re: this statement from your article (that refuses to include itself inside your quote so I'm pasting it here, dumb thing):

"Investigators say of the eight people working the crime-scene, each has a different theory about what happened"

Is that normal for 8 out of 8 investigators to all have a different theory? No 2 alike? That not only seems odd to me, but I don't think I could come up with 8 different theories if I tried! That is also an old article so I wonder if any of them have changed their minds and whittled that large theory list down.
It would be nice to know the current investigators theories!
 
  • #206
Just spotted this thread, and it was of interest to me because we stop in Ashland 2-3x/year as a waypoint on our way to Portland and back. Not much to add, but my condolences to the Verified Insiders on this thread, and I hope that you find answers soon. I have a cousin who was murdered in Portland, and it took many years to find his killer, and he still hasn't gone to trial yet. Hang in there...
 
  • #207
Just spotted this thread, and it was of interest to me because we stop in Ashland 2-3x/year as a waypoint on our way to Portland and back. Not much to add, but my condolences to the Verified Insiders on this thread, and I hope that you find answers soon. I have a cousin who was murdered in Portland, and it took many years to find his killer, and he still hasn't gone to trial yet. Hang in there...
Best of luck with your trial. :)
 
  • #208
Best of luck with your trial. :)
Thank you. Hopefully it's finally on track for this July. We've already had several postponements.
 
  • #209
Just spotted this thread, and it was of interest to me because we stop in Ashland 2-3x/year as a waypoint on our way to Portland and back. Not much to add, but my condolences to the Verified Insiders on this thread, and I hope that you find answers soon. I have a cousin who was murdered in Portland, and it took many years to find his killer, and he still hasn't gone to trial yet. Hang in there...
Thank you @LinasK
Welcome to the thread!
I appreciate your encouragement and I wish you and your family peace and the best possible outcome. ✌️
 
  • #210
Just spotted this thread, and it was of interest to me because we stop in Ashland 2-3x/year as a waypoint on our way to Portland and back. Not much to add, but my condolences to the Verified Insiders on this thread, and I hope that you find answers soon. I have a cousin who was murdered in Portland, and it took many years to find his killer, and he still hasn't gone to trial yet. Hang in there...

Nice to see you here @LinasK. I’ve followed your cousin Mark’s case and was glad to read of an arrest awhile back. I’ll follow the trial. Here’s hoping the slow-moving “wheels of justice” will “grind exceedingly fine” for both your cousin and Dave.
 
  • #211
" Did someone benefit financially from Dave's death?
Did they inherit more than they would have had Dave lived?
Unless those checks were taken they burned in the fire. Were they ever reconciled?"
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No sibs benefited in any way (financially) from David's murder. No inheritance was effected, he cashed & deposited his cheques.

David's JFxwife, her <modsnip> fiancé JH, and David's 3 sons obtained the trucks etc few things they salvaged.

But, Before the heinous murder, JF & <modsnip> JH, lived with Dave's kids, happily ever after.
Now: JH actually drove/drives Dave's utility truck! The nerve!!! You can imagine how livid David always was & from heaven is, about that!

Dave punched JH out & said, " it was the best punch I ever threw." <modsnip>

Guess he got Dave's truck... so that would be a benefit...
 
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  • #212
Ohhh me tooooo!!! Id love to go through those case notes.

MOO-This is my supposition-MOO Someone traveled to 12801 DIMR specifically to confront Dave and take what they believed they were entitled to that night. IMO It was planned and well executed leaving almost no evidence.

I don't know if he had a will, if he did, it could have been in the cabin. I guess he could have had something filed with a lawyer or it's possible he could've not done that yet as he was only 46. I'm sure his next of kin knows.

Either way anyone that knew him would know EVERYTHING would go to his sons. That was the whole thing about not sharing his inheritance when he was asked, he had HIS OWN CHILDREN to be concerned about.

In the end EVERYTHING (unless it was in a bank) was destroyed, so there's no legacy of his art or his tools or of anything besides the vehicles. IMO I find that to have been extremely personal and vengeful on someone's part; to leave nothing of him behind. MOO-It feels like jealousy to me-MOO

AFAIK and from what @Sleuth2010 posted above, any known money he possessed at his time of death (that IMO MOO wasn't stolen or destroyed by fire) went to his kids (one son was still a minor, so his mother, Dave's exwife JF would have been legally responsible)

...but that doesn't answer my questions about the inheritances...

Did someone benefit financially from Dave's death?
Did they inherit more than they would have had Dave lived?
Unless those checks were taken they burned in the fire. Were they ever reconciled?

That's the 20 million dollar question, isn't it?

I don't think Dave had any actual influence over anything that could affect what BMc was doing.
They were definitely building illegally, and Dave had been employed directly to build these (we now know) illegal structures.

IMO His ace in the hole was that he knew the sheriff MW because he lived on the mountain too and it's a small community.

David did say to me that he would/could tell MW the nitty gritty details of BMc misdeeds at the resort (specifically illegal buildings encroaching on federal property) I don't know that he actually did, but I think he thought that might have an impact if it came down to it but IMO I really doubt MW cared, he knew about the encroachment after the fact for sure and never acted personally AFAIK.

Any action taken against the resort or preventing further development happened by concerned citizens and neighbors going through the legitimate Jackson county commissioner land use process after Dave's death.

I haven't heard of other citizens being harassed or harmed as a result of holding this company accountable, so why would they want to harm Dave who was a regular patron of the resort and was just MAD that they had fired him for petty reasons?

Petty reason: He told me that they accused him of stealing returnable cans from a shed/outbuilding- he was shocked and hurt by the accusations, besides not needing the few dollars from cans, it was insulting after all the work he'd put in on the property.

He had no reason to actually report them but IMO he had a right to be angry and to voice his opinion about what was happening at Hyatt Lake Resort and even to THREATEN to report them.

However, there was no benefit to Dave for reporting them, no upside. There was also no financial benefit to the Resort if Dave was no longer present. They had the county's approval. IMO Dave wasn't a threat.

Like I said, it was not a secret that they were placing and selling manufactured "cabins" in the resort, they got the county's initial approval for the development; it was approved as an RV campground and Dave had nothing to do with that process, he was a builder.

I just don't see it myself. I understand others have their points of views and that's valid too. None of us know what happened except Dave and his killer and Dave's gone. He can't fight his battles anymore.



I would love to know!!

Excellent questions! Thank you @Lilibet ✌️


imo omo
" then-sheriff MW has a pathology where a personality is suppose to be. "

W was one of the bff 's to McN / P****e
wonder what they were exporting?

" as a man sows, so shall he reap."
 
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  • #213
Thanks for the answers @Red Clover and @Sleuth2010. With all these personalities or “pathologies” surrounding Dave, I can see why the eight people working the crime scene could have each had different theories. It’s a tangled web that won’t untangle easily IMO. Too much at stake.

Does anyone know if the cabin has ever been rebuilt?
 
  • #214
Thank you. Hopefully it's finally on track for this July. We've already had several postponements.
Really sorry to learn of this murder. You are an amazing advocate for him. We wish you patience, faith and healing ❤️‍... the wheels grind slowly, but they do grind! Godspeed and good health ~~~ love always wins.
 
  • #215
Thanks for the answers @Red Clover and @Sleuth2010. With all these personalities or “pathologies” surrounding Dave, I can see why the eight people working the crime scene could have each had different theories. It’s a tangled web that won’t untangle easily IMO. Too much at stake.
Yes, too much at stake. If the someone that killed Dave is still out there it's unlikely that they will confess but not out of the realm of possibilities. It's happened before, like in the Ed Krahel case.

Someone did this and they know it. Maybe someone else knows or has suspected something all these years.

It could be that the JCSO knows exactly who killed Dave but because the fires destroyed so much evidence, there will never be enough to convict.

What about the tip lines?
What happened with those?
Is it LE, an organization or a private individual that has a $20k reward for information leading to a conviction and a $5k reward for useful information?

Does anyone know how that works? Would info through one of the tip lines be eligible or only through LE?

ALL IMO MOO
Does anyone know if the cabin has ever been rebuilt?
There doesn't appear to be any evidence of rebuilding from current Google satellite imagery.

Per Jackson County Assessor, the 40 acre property at 12801 DIMR was purchased in December 2022.

It's possible someone could have plans to build on the property. I would be surprised if they decide to build over the footprint of the original cabin.

Postcard from Google Earth
(picture file "too big for server")

Google Earth
#googleearth
 
  • #216
A little bit about Hyatt Lake

Hyatt Reservoir

Hyatt Lake Recreation Area (campgrounds)
7975 Hyatt Prairie RD
Ashland, OR 97520
42° 10' 1.1201" N 122° 27' 50.8799" W
All Camping Facilities At The Hyatt Lake Recreation Area
Will Be Closed In 2023 For Utility Upgrades.
Nestled high in the Cascade Mountains among towering firs and pines, the Hyatt Lake Recreation Area is located in the northern corner of Cascade-Siskiyou National Monument on the shores of beautiful Hyatt Lake. At just above 5,000 feet of elevation, the 745-acre Hyatt Lake Recreation Area provides options for summertime camping, picnicking, hiking, horseback riding, biking, fishing, swimming, boating, and many other recreation opportunities. The recreation area offers dramatic views of Mt. McLoughlin and serves as a great basecamp for access to the Monument and the Pacific Crest National Scenic Trail.

Natural Features​

Hyatt Lake is located 20 miles east of Ashland in Oregon's beautiful Cascade Mountains. At 5,200 feet in elevation, Hyatt Lake offers a cool respite from the summer heat and also serves as a gateway for winter recreation enthusiasts. Hyatt Lake is located inside the boundary of the Cascade-Siskiyou National Monument. The Monument was established in recognition of its remarkable ecology and to protect a diverse range of biological, geological, aquatic, archaeological, and historic objects.

Hyatt Lake Resort (NOT a campground)
Campers Cove LLC
7900 Hyatt Prairie Rd
Ashland, OR 97520

Weather forecast

Resort
Hyatt Lake Resort DOES NOT have overnight camping spaces, and we are unable to assist you with any information regarding the campsites offered by the government campgrounds.
FISHING SEASON IS NOW OPEN! For the first time in many years, fishing season is now open year around.
Hyatt Lake has great scenery with good forest land and snow capped peaks in view most of the year. The area around Hyatt Lake is filled with deer, eagles, osprey and other wildlife which can often be seen around the lake. Located in the Cascade-Siskiyou National Monument, it is the first U.S. National monument set aside solely for the preservation of biodiversity. With a diverse ecosystem, 200 species of birds are known to exist in the monument including some threatened and endangered species such as the spectacular Great Grey Owl and Peregrine Falcon. The unusual Rough-skinned newt can be spotted by the keen eyed observer. In addition, the Cascade–Siskiyou National Monument is famous for its significant botanical diversity. The range of elevations and diversity of habitat types provides for a spectacular flora that includes many endemics to the immediate Siskiyou crest area such as the exquisite Oregon Lily. The namesake of Hyatt Prairie Lake, Hyatt Prairie, existed as a high prairie with such extreme freeze-thaw cycles that trees were unable to grow, as a result, species of plants that exist at Hyatt are found only in parts of Alaska. During May and June, these conditions make the area a favorite hunting area for those who relish the mushrooms: Morels and Chanterelles.

Restaurant
2022 HOURS: Sunday thru Thursday 8 am - 7 pm,
Friday 8 am - 8 pm, Saturday 8 am - 8 pm.

The Campers Cove lake view restaurant with views of Hyatt Lake and Mt. Mcloughlin welcomes you to Cascades National Monument country! Built soon after the Hyatt Lake recreation area opened, the Campers Cove Restaurant has been serving the Cascades’ favorite local dishes since 1960. The Campers Cove Restaurant offers, breakfast, lunch, dinner and Pizza to locals and visitors alike...

About Us​

The reservoir was created by Hyatt Dam, constructed in 1923 by the local irrigation district to impound Keene Creek (nearby Howard Prairie Lake was created in 1958). The dam stands at the southern end of the reservoir, and was rehabilitated in 1960 by the current owner, the United States Bureau of Reclamation. The Talent Irrigation District operates the facility.

Water from Hyatt Reservoir, Little Hyatt Reservoir—further downstream on Keene Creek—and Howard Prairie Lake, a larger reservoir 3 miles (4.8 km) to the east, is carried by the Ashland Lateral Canal to Emigrant Lake, a storage reservoir near Ashland.

Hyatt Reservoir is stocked each year with young rainbow trout, some of which eventually reach 26 inches (51 cm) in length in the lake's favorable conditions. Sport fishing for largemouth Bass is also common, and the lake supports populations of Crappie and other fish. The 10mph speed limit on the lake makes it an ideal family lake for kayaks, canoes, float tubes and standup paddleboarding.

Rental Cabins were installed 2007 by Campers Cove Resort, LLC and are available to the public year around. Call 541-482-3331with questions or to make your reservation.


Cabin Sales​


Prices listed are for cabin units only. The price does not include land or the monthly space rent. Monthly space rent includes garbage service, sewer & water, and Satellite TV, but does not include propane or electric use. Some cabin sales are handled by the owners or their agents according to their own needs and requirements. Some units are being offered by the Resort. The Hyatt Lake staff will be happy to help prospective buyers to the extent possible, for example, by showing a cabin during their visit. Prospective buyers are encouraged to rent cabins that they might be interested in purchasing. Renting will provide them with a direct view of the cabin features. Please call the reservation desk to make your reservation now.
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I HEARD BACK FROM JCSO THIS MORNING!
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