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Sleuth2010 said:
That information/opinion isn't correct @Bet.

Also info disseminated about timelines of Dave's killing and Troy's killling.
Authorities have released they were both murdered, in a closer timeline, than originally thought. Autopsy would reveal results ( 16 years cold case, dusty ? )

And it is believed (by some) that Troy did camp/stay/hang out riding xxr up in the mountains at Hyatt Lake ( Dave's Lake) outside Ashland and not far, as the crow flys, from Central Point truck stop. Troy was around for over a month...
His cell phone would hold a wealth of information!

The 4th of July RN and LN (near DH's ..where the sheriff Winter's used to stay & overnight)
has a traditional tent party ( think rainbow camp alongs :))))))
where Dave would visit...

Will be good when RN and LN are re questioned.
Along with the Hyatt guys who left town.

So much for that " RV park" and big man on campus ( as Dave's mom would say)

$$$$ REWARDS $$$$ REWARDS $$$REWARDS
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Where has it EVER been said or written that: “authorities have released that they were both murdered, in a closer timeline, than originally thought”? Imo that’s not even a sentence that could have been written by LE or a reporter - if only due to the poor grammar.

Where is there any recent LE statement that says something like: “we were wrong before when we thought Dave and Troy were murdered on a less close timeline and we now think they were murdered on a closer timeline”?

And what new evidence did LE present to prove that they were wrong before? What changed?

Dave and Troy were not murdered on the same night. It’s a fact. The fires were set nearly 9 days apart. The ballistics don’t match. The crimes occurred over 25 miles apart

Is there a chance that the crimes are related? Yes. Is it true that Troy was in the area and may have been back in the area of Dave’s and Hyatt Lake? Yes. Was HL behind it all? Maybe (I have suggested that HL was behind DL’s murder in the past). Is there any evidence though that the two crimes are for sure, 100 percent, related? No.

There are pages and pages of this thread that completely discredit the ONE article by the ONE headline seeking reporter who filled her article with innuendo and insinuation and unsubstantiated rumor.

There were no quoted LE statements. It was smoke intended to capture and build upon early rumors that were going around Ashland. A story to get clicks. Again, the reporter NEVER quotes an LE source saying there is factual evidence that the crimes are 100 percent related (plus, w/o stating what the factual evidence is, the reporter is just reporting on a feeling, a suggestion, an opinion, a “could be”. It’s hearsay

At the time was there a chance they were connected? Yes. Were there any facts to suppprt such an allegation? No (or not that either LE or the reporter stated)

Yes, both DL and TDC were white males. Yes they were both shot. Yes they were both shot within 25 miles of each other.

Dave’s cabin was set on fire the night he was murdered. The grass near where Troy was murdered was set on fire 9 days after Troy’s body was found (which was at least a day, and possibly two, after DL was found - also based on estimated time of death)

(Btw, why would Troy’s murderer come back and set a brush fire 9 days later? Was the murderer sure that there was evidence he /she had left behind at the scene that LE had missed? Why not just go get it? If it was something like prints or DNA they were worried about, why didn’t they set the fire earlier (asap) - on night 2? or night 3? or 4? or…).

Imo to continue saying that the two murders are 100 percent related when it is not certain that they are related at all does a disservice to both cases.

Imo, it harms the effort to solve both Dave Lewis’ murder, and TDC’s murder - as it means that if some current or future fact or piece of evidence or person or connection CAN’T BE TIED TO BOTH Dave and Troy, it’ll be excluded, - when it very well might be a very important piece of evidence in solving one of the cases.

I just don’t get why you are so intent on tying them together. What do you gain? Nobody is saying that there is zero chance they are related, they’re just saying that so far there is nothing to indicate that they ARE related.

You gain nothing by tying the cases together when there is no proven connection so far, and you actually HARM both investigations by doing so. Why make Dave AND Troy’s cases HARDER to solve? Don’t you want DL’s case solved?

If you read Troy’s thread, Troy’s mom (after being told personally by LE about the circumstances of Troy’s murder, (which in my view makes her an insider) makes statements which basically repeat what cops told her - which directly refute your contention that Dave and Troy were murdered on the same night and that the fires were set on that same night. They just weren’t. It’s a fact.

There are also linked msm articles on this thread quoting LE, - LONG after that one reporter’s irresponsible musings were published - saying that the killings are NOT at this time thought to be related because the ballistics don’t match. The ballistics don’t match.

Could the cases be connected but the perp used two different weapons? Yes that’s a possibility. A possibility.

Like everybody, I want justice for Dave (and Troy). But handicapping the investigation by chaining the two cases together when there is no factual basis to do so harms efforts to obtain justice for both Dave (and Troy). For Dave’s sake, I’m begging you to stop insisting that the cases are connected when they very well may not be.

And no, I have no clue where I read about 9mm. I tried to find it when you requested a link the first time and I couldn’t find a link. I retracted my statement. I made a mistake. Please disregard that post entirely. There is NO basis that I know of for anybody to think that a 9mm handgun has anything to do with either case

All jmo
 
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Rush4087 said:
Where has it EVER been said or written that: “authorities have released that they were both murdered, in a closer timeline, than originally thought”? Imo that’s not even a sentence that could have been written by LE or a reporter - if only due to the poor grammar.

Where is there any recent LE statement that says something like: “we were wrong before when we thought Dave and Troy were murdered on a less close timeline and we now think they were murdered on a closer timeline”?

And what new evidence did LE present to prove that they were wrong before? What changed?

Dave and Troy were not murdered on the same night. It’s a fact. The fires were set nearly 9 days apart. The ballistics don’t match. The crimes occurred over 25 miles apart

Is there a chance that the crimes are related? Yes. Is it true that Troy was in the area and may have been back in the area of Dave’s and Hyatt Lake? Yes. Was HL behind it all? Maybe (I have suggested that HL was behind DL’s murder in the past). Is there any evidence though that the two crimes are for sure, 100 percent, related? No.

There are pages and pages of this thread that completely discredit the ONE article by the ONE headline seeking reporter who filled her article with innuendo and insinuation and unsubstantiated rumor.

There were no quoted LE statements. It was smoke intended to capture and build upon early rumors that were going around Ashland. A story to get clicks. Again, the reporter NEVER quotes an LE source saying there is factual evidence that the crimes are 100 percent related (plus, w/o stating what the factual evidence is, the reporter is just reporting on a feeling, a suggestion, an opinion, a “could be”. It’s hearsay

At the time was there a chance they were connected? Yes. Were there any facts to suppprt such an allegation? No (or not that either LE or the reporter stated)

Yes, both DL and TDC were white males. Yes they were both shot. Yes they were both shot within 25 miles of each other.

Dave’s cabin was set on fire the night he was murdered. The grass near where Troy was murdered was set on fire 9 days after Troy’s body was found (which was at least a day, and possibly two, after DL was found - also based on estimated time of death)

(Btw, why would Troy’s murderer come back and set a brush fire 9 days later? Was the murderer sure that there was evidence he /she had left behind at the scene that LE had missed? Why not just go get it? If it was something like prints or DNA they were worried about, why didn’t they set the fire earlier (asap) - on night 2? or night 3? or 4? or…).

Imo to continue saying that the two murders are 100 percent related when it is not certain that they are related at all does a disservice to both cases.

Imo, it harms the effort to solve both Dave Lewis’ murder, and TDC’s murder - as it means that if some current or future fact or piece of evidence or person or connection CAN’T BE TIED TO BOTH Dave and Troy, it’ll be excluded, - when it very well might be a very important piece of evidence in solving one of the cases.

I just don’t get why you are so intent on tying them together. What do you gain? Nobody is saying that there is zero chance they are related, they’re just saying that so far there is nothing to indicate that they ARE related.

You gain nothing by tying the cases together when there is no proven connection so far, and you actually HARM both investigations by doing so. Why make Dave AND Troy’s cases HARDER to solve? Don’t you want DL’s case solved?

If you read Troy’s thread, Troy’s mom (after being told personally by LE about the circumstances of Troy’s murder, (which in my view makes her an insider) makes statements which basically repeat what cops told her - which directly refute your contention that Dave and Troy were murdered on the same night and that the fires were set on that same night. They just weren’t. It’s a fact.

There are also linked msm articles on this thread quoting LE, - LONG after that one reporter’s irresponsible musings were published - saying that the killings are NOT at this time thought to be related because the ballistics don’t match. The ballistics don’t match.

Could the cases be connected but the perp used two different weapons? Yes that’s a possibility. A possibility.

Like everybody, I want justice for Dave (and Troy). But handicapping the investigation by chaining the two cases together when there is no factual basis to do so harms efforts to obtain justice for both Dave (and Troy). For Dave’s sake, I’m begging you to stop insisting that the cases are connected when they very well may not be.

And no, I have no clue where I read about 9mm. I tried to find it when you requested a link the first time and I couldn’t find a link. I retracted my statement. I made a mistake. Please disregard that post entirely. There is NO basis that I know of for anybody to think that a 9mm handgun has anything to do with either case

All jmo
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Law enforcement told insiders directly, the cases are linked.
Not same night, but closer deaths than originally thought. And fires separately.

There was also a fire on the sex offender's rental property.

Facts are facts. Arrests needed.

moo omo jmo
 
  • #766
Rush4087 said:
Where has it EVER been said or written that: “authorities have released that they were both murdered, in a closer timeline, than originally thought”? Imo that’s not even a sentence that could have been written by LE or a reporter - if only due to the poor grammar.

Where is there any recent LE statement that says something like: “we were wrong before when we thought Dave and Troy were murdered on a less close timeline and we now think they were murdered on a closer timeline”?

And what new evidence did LE present to prove that they were wrong before? What changed?

Dave and Troy were not murdered on the same night. It’s a fact. The fires were set nearly 9 days apart. The ballistics don’t match. The crimes occurred over 25 miles apart

Is there a chance that the crimes are related? Yes. Is it true that Troy was in the area and may have been back in the area of Dave’s and Hyatt Lake? Yes. Was HL behind it all? Maybe (I have suggested that HL was behind DL’s murder in the past). Is there any evidence though that the two crimes are for sure, 100 percent, related? No.

There are pages and pages of this thread that completely discredit the ONE article by the ONE headline seeking reporter who filled her article with innuendo and insinuation and unsubstantiated rumor.

There were no quoted LE statements. It was smoke intended to capture and build upon early rumors that were going around Ashland. A story to get clicks. Again, the reporter NEVER quotes an LE source saying there is factual evidence that the crimes are 100 percent related (plus, w/o stating what the factual evidence is, the reporter is just reporting on a feeling, a suggestion, an opinion, a “could be”. It’s hearsay

At the time was there a chance they were connected? Yes. Were there any facts to suppprt such an allegation? No (or not that either LE or the reporter stated)

Yes, both DL and TDC were white males. Yes they were both shot. Yes they were both shot within 25 miles of each other.

Dave’s cabin was set on fire the night he was murdered. The grass near where Troy was murdered was set on fire 9 days after Troy’s body was found (which was at least a day, and possibly two, after DL was found - also based on estimated time of death)

(Btw, why would Troy’s murderer come back and set a brush fire 9 days later? Was the murderer sure that there was evidence he /she had left behind at the scene that LE had missed? Why not just go get it? If it was something like prints or DNA they were worried about, why didn’t they set the fire earlier (asap) - on night 2? or night 3? or 4? or…).

Imo to continue saying that the two murders are 100 percent related when it is not certain that they are related at all does a disservice to both cases.

Imo, it harms the effort to solve both Dave Lewis’ murder, and TDC’s murder - as it means that if some current or future fact or piece of evidence or person or connection CAN’T BE TIED TO BOTH Dave and Troy, it’ll be excluded, - when it very well might be a very important piece of evidence in solving one of the cases.

I just don’t get why you are so intent on tying them together. What do you gain? Nobody is saying that there is zero chance they are related, they’re just saying that so far there is nothing to indicate that they ARE related.

You gain nothing by tying the cases together when there is no proven connection so far, and you actually HARM both investigations by doing so. Why make Dave AND Troy’s cases HARDER to solve? Don’t you want DL’s case solved?

If you read Troy’s thread, Troy’s mom (after being told personally by LE about the circumstances of Troy’s murder, (which in my view makes her an insider) makes statements which basically repeat what cops told her - which directly refute your contention that Dave and Troy were murdered on the same night and that the fires were set on that same night. They just weren’t. It’s a fact.

There are also linked msm articles on this thread quoting LE, - LONG after that one reporter’s irresponsible musings were published - saying that the killings are NOT at this time thought to be related because the ballistics don’t match. The ballistics don’t match.

Could the cases be connected but the perp used two different weapons? Yes that’s a possibility. A possibility.

Like everybody, I want justice for Dave (and Troy). But handicapping the investigation by chaining the two cases together when there is no factual basis to do so harms efforts to obtain justice for both Dave (and Troy). For Dave’s sake, I’m begging you to stop insisting that the cases are connected when they very well may not be.

And no, I have no clue where I read about 9mm. I tried to find it when you requested a link the first time and I couldn’t find a link. I retracted my statement. I made a mistake. Please disregard that post entirely. There is NO basis that I know of for anybody to think that a 9mm handgun has anything to do with either case

All jmo
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Please explain why you are adamant the ballistics don't match ? Previous comments about the gun used. Your certainty the murders / fires are not connected?

Actually, in 2008, murders of these type were not common in Jackson County. Let alone BM threatening and fire department 5 employees calling Dave about CPR classes that night @ 10 pm.
It stinks and Winters should have had the professional tact ( which he lacks) to recuse himself.
Then he hired Rod to work on his barn and cell phone records prove, then-sheriff, was on the phone with POI.

Facts as best possible. Which it's odd that some try to distract from those.

Appreciate efforts otherwise.

RIP Lewis and Grubbs.

jmo
 
  • #767
Sleuth2010 said:
Please explain why you are adamant the ballistics don't match ? Previous comments about the gun used. Your certainty the murders / fires are not connected?

Actually, in 2008, murders of these type were not common in Jackson County. Let alone BM threatening and fire department 5 employees calling Dave about CPR classes that night @ 10 pm.
It stinks and Winters should have had the professional tact ( which he lacks) to recuse himself.
Then he hired Rod to work on his barn and cell phone records prove, then-sheriff, was on the phone with POI.

Facts as best possible. Which it's odd that some try to distract from those.

Appreciate efforts otherwise.

RIP Lewis and Grubbs.

jmo
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@Sleuth2010, I explained everything you asked about in the post you just replied to.

I agree with you about BM. I have always felt that Dave’s murder was related to HL, but it was just my opinion. I said so in my very first post- which apparently so infuriated a former OP (RC, who seemed to strongly believe that the murder had been committed by one of DL’s siblings) that that OP wondered aloud why some people (I think meaning me) weren’t being sued by HL for speculating that a conflict with DL might’ve been a factor in DL’s murder. It was pure speculation (just as RC’s theory was). I must admit though I was taken aback by the tone of the response to my first post on the thread.

If TDC’s murder had happened after DL’s
- and if TDC knew (or suspected he knew) who had killed DL - I could buy that TDC was possibly murdered by the same person (or people) who killed DL. But Troy was murdered first, at least a day earlier. Despite being found on the same day, Troy was murdered first.

And LE has stated that the ballistics don’t match - which I assume means that: the found casings and/or bullets at the two crime scenes (though LE has never said what was found) either aren’t the same caliber, or the found bullets and/or casings don’t have similar markings.

These were just my assumptions based on what LE was quoted as saying in later MSM articles (subsequent to the unfounded clickbait claims (imo) made by the one author early on, who never actually quoted LE).

It is well known that the fires were set over a week apart.

As I have said before, I just don’t want the investigation into DL’s murder to be impeded in any way by the investigation into TDC’s murder when there is no proof at this time that they are related. Insisting that they are related may prevent one or both cases from ever being solved. Jmo

If DL’s murder was not related to HL, my second guess would be that maybe DL knew something about a grow op. After all he had lived in the area for a long time, and probably knew all there was to know about locations.

If that was the case, I could see subsequent area murders possibly being related: Garren Beller (who’s disappearance / murder almost certainly was drug related), less likely TDC (but it’s possible), and less likely still, Dave Grubbs (who I think was possibly murdered by somebody suffering from mental illness or drug induced psychosis).

All just my opinion

RIP DL, TDC, DG, and RGB
 
  • #768
@Sleuth2010 and @Lilibet, hoping you guys can maybe answer a couple of questions I’ve been mulling over for quite some time now..

-Who are the “critters” in the photo of Dave at Hyatt (posted back in Feb ‘23 by Sleuth2010)? Was there ever any conflict between DL and any of the “critters”?

Also back in Feb ‘23 Red Clover posted a link to a 9/5/08 MailTribune article that quoted DL’s sister LLM as saying (I guess para): “Lewis was an outspoken man who could have made enemies. He’d gone through an acrimonious divorce in 1999, followed by a string of misdemeanor assault and harassment convictions. He had a decades old conviction for growing marijuana..”

-were the misdemeanor assault and harassment convictions related to domestic issues or did they involve somebody outside of his marriage (work, HL, other) that he was perhaps in conflict with? Did DL get along with his ex’s new husband?

- imo a lot of charges like misdemeanor assault (like a bar fight) and harassment are pleaded down or otherwise resolved, but these charges turned into convictions..

-re: the felony conviction for growing marijuana 20 years earlier, that seems like a biggie too (I’ve read that he spent time in prison). How long was he in prison? Was it a big grow op? Where was the grow op located (whose property)? Were others involved (did anybody else also serve time)? Did somebody perhaps hold a 20 plus year grudge?

- @Sleuth2010 posted a photo of “Dave’s friend” Dave Grubbs at a grocery. How well did DL know DG? DG would have only been 19 or 20 at the time of Dave’s murder.

- about 14 months after DL was murdered, Garren Beller (of Greensprings / Ashland area) disappeared on a trip to Illinois and Indiana. Pure speculation, but I think it’s possible that GB and a couple of his cousins (with links to both Ashland and to the Illinois/NW Indiana areas, and one of which at one time had roomed with GB) might have been involved in an attempted large drug transaction (again, pure speculation). It appears they had links to the Greensprings, Ashland, Medford, and areas just north.

- Do you know if DL knew GB or GB’s cousins (or their friends)? I have read that GB grew up in the Greensprings / Ashland area. DL was a long time (20 miles plus year) resident on Dead Indian. It’s seems DL (or maybe his sons?) might’ve known GB or cousins in Ashland or up Greensprings?

I’m sure you both have read the Garren Rudolph Beller thread, but every time read post #65 in that thread I wonder if there is any connection between DL, GB, the cousins, their father, and their friends - Greensprings, Ashland, and NW Indiana? Did they all also perhaps know each other from the past in NW Indiana?

All just speculation, my opinion
 
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Hi Rush, Good questions. Thanks for all the thought you’ve put into Dave’s case. I wish I had more info for you. I think Sleuth would have more definitive answers than I do, but I’ll speculate on a couple.

Rush4087 said:
-were the misdemeanor assault and harassment convictions related to domestic issues or did they involve somebody outside of his marriage (work, HL, other) that he was perhaps in conflict with? Did DL get along with his ex’s new husband?
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My understanding (based on Sleuth’s posts and/or the website dedicated to Dave’s murder) is that these convictions related to his ex’s husband. It seems that Dave was upset that his boy’s stepfather had a conviction for sex abuse.

Rush4087 said:
- @Sleuth2010 posted a photo of “Dave’s friend” Dave Grubbs at a grocery. How well did DL know DG? DG would have only been 19 or 20 at the time of Dave’s murder.
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David Grubbs was a very personable and helpful worker at Shop ‘n Kart. I had a pleasant encounter with him the afternoon of his murder. If Dave encountered him often and had conversations with him, I can imagine he considered David a “friend,” if only at the store. But I’m just guessing.

I’m afraid that’s all I’ve got in “answer” to your excellent questions. It’s too bad Red Clover isn’t here, as I expect she knows some of the answers.

JMO
 
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Interesting and insightful speculation. TY.

<modsnip>

The Lewis family and Friends of Dave Lewis have dogged investigators to solve this crime.
16 years. New sheriff promised difference. Code of ethics. Solving cold cases. Cheering them on.

Lilibet you compile facts. Good deal. Stay on it.
Why hasn't this crime been prosecuted? What was going on those months before on the Indians Road?
Where and how were Dave's sons and family notified and what did ( or didn't) Sheriff do about it? Why was Hyatt Lake Campground area
ordered to rip out all their Rvs and didn't? Why no press coverage on the victim's murder.

+ rewards posted over $20,000. and another from an Ashland resident for $30k

Maybe something or someone who surrounded in the wrong circle is tired of spiraling down. Dave's birthday is Monday. Remember him the way he was. With reverence.
Merry Christmas Happy Hanukah.
Bring some justice home for others.

moo jmo
 
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David Edwin Lewis

Born: December 23, 1961- Delaware
murdered: Sept. 4, 2008 - Ashland, Oregon

David was born and raised in Wilmington, Del., and after journeying across the country, he settled in Ashland, Ore. Here, he met the "love of his life", Josee Fournier. They moved to the summit of the "Indian" where they were blessed with three beautiful sons. Dave shared his life with his boys and passed on his passion for the mountains. Dave made everything fun: ice fishing, snowshoeing, riding snowmobiles, dog-sledding, adventuring on motorcycles, all while teaching his sons survival skills and respect for the land.
Dave was also an avid sports fan who instilled the "love of the game" in his sons. He nurtured and encouraged their natural athleticism by tossing footballs and baseballs, even playing ice hockey in the winter. He remained loyal to his "team," the Philadelphia Eagles, through winning and losing.
As time went by, life took many twists and turns. Seasons came and went, his boys turned into young men, and all the while, Dave took pleasure in the watching. He spent his time enjoying simple things and finding beauty everywhere. Dave was an artist by nature, and a man with a unique vision who could make art with every little "treasure" he found: old scrap metal, leather, rocks, wire, string or even chain saw chains, anything worked!
A "good man in any camp," Dave was an animated storyteller with a keen wit and sense of humor. He lived from the depths of his being, stood up for the things in which he believed and shared himself and all he had with the family and friends he cherished.
A "Jack-of-all-trades" and wildland firefighter, David worked hard and played hard. He was intense and unforgettable, a rascal and a live wire. He was a sweet, sweet man who will be greatly missed. Life will go on without Dave, but the ride won't be as much fun.
David was preceded in death by his parents, Robert and Vivian Lewis; and survived by his three sons, Beau, Casey, and Skyler Lewis; and by his three siblings, James, Paige, and Linda Lewis.
There will be a memorial gathering at noon on Sunday, Sept. 14, 2008, at the Summit of the Indian.
 
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Sleuth2010 said:

David Edwin Lewis

Born: December 23, 1961- Delaware
murdered: Sept. 4, 2008 - Ashland, Oregon

David was born and raised in Wilmington, Del., and after journeying across the country, he settled in Ashland, Ore. Here, he met the "love of his life", Josee Fournier. They moved to the summit of the "Indian" where they were blessed with three beautiful sons. Dave shared his life with his boys and passed on his passion for the mountains. Dave made everything fun: ice fishing, snowshoeing, riding snowmobiles, dog-sledding, adventuring on motorcycles, all while teaching his sons survival skills and respect for the land.
Dave was also an avid sports fan who instilled the "love of the game" in his sons. He nurtured and encouraged their natural athleticism by tossing footballs and baseballs, even playing ice hockey in the winter. He remained loyal to his "team," the Philadelphia Eagles, through winning and losing.
As time went by, life took many twists and turns. Seasons came and went, his boys turned into young men, and all the while, Dave took pleasure in the watching. He spent his time enjoying simple things and finding beauty everywhere. Dave was an artist by nature, and a man with a unique vision who could make art with every little "treasure" he found: old scrap metal, leather, rocks, wire, string or even chain saw chains, anything worked!
A "good man in any camp," Dave was an animated storyteller with a keen wit and sense of humor. He lived from the depths of his being, stood up for the things in which he believed and shared himself and all he had with the family and friends he cherished.
A "Jack-of-all-trades" and wildland firefighter, David worked hard and played hard. He was intense and unforgettable, a rascal and a live wire. He was a sweet, sweet man who will be greatly missed. Life will go on without Dave, but the ride won't be as much fun.
David was preceded in death by his parents, Robert and Vivian Lewis; and survived by his three sons, Beau, Casey, and Skyler Lewis; and by his three siblings, James, Paige, and Linda Lewis.
There will be a memorial gathering at noon on Sunday, Sept. 14, 2008, at the Summit of the Indian.
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He sounds like he was an absolutely awesome guy. I really hope that the family will one day get justice for this mindless killing.
 
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Sleuth2010 said:

David Edwin Lewis

Born: December 23, 1961- Delaware
murdered: Sept. 4, 2008 - Ashland, Oregon

David was born and raised in Wilmington, Del., and after journeying across the country, he settled in Ashland, Ore. Here, he met the "love of his life", Josee Fournier. They moved to the summit of the "Indian" where they were blessed with three beautiful sons. Dave shared his life with his boys and passed on his passion for the mountains. Dave made everything fun: ice fishing, snowshoeing, riding snowmobiles, dog-sledding, adventuring on motorcycles, all while teaching his sons survival skills and respect for the land.
Dave was also an avid sports fan who instilled the "love of the game" in his sons. He nurtured and encouraged their natural athleticism by tossing footballs and baseballs, even playing ice hockey in the winter. He remained loyal to his "team," the Philadelphia Eagles, through winning and losing.
As time went by, life took many twists and turns. Seasons came and went, his boys turned into young men, and all the while, Dave took pleasure in the watching. He spent his time enjoying simple things and finding beauty everywhere. Dave was an artist by nature, and a man with a unique vision who could make art with every little "treasure" he found: old scrap metal, leather, rocks, wire, string or even chain saw chains, anything worked!
A "good man in any camp," Dave was an animated storyteller with a keen wit and sense of humor. He lived from the depths of his being, stood up for the things in which he believed and shared himself and all he had with the family and friends he cherished.
A "Jack-of-all-trades" and wildland firefighter, David worked hard and played hard. He was intense and unforgettable, a rascal and a live wire. He was a sweet, sweet man who will be greatly missed. Life will go on without Dave, but the ride won't be as much fun.
David was preceded in death by his parents, Robert and Vivian Lewis; and survived by his three sons, Beau, Casey, and Skyler Lewis; and by his three siblings, James, Paige, and Linda Lewis.
There will be a memorial gathering at noon on Sunday, Sept. 14, 2008, at the Summit of the Indian.
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Beautifully written tribute to Dave.
 
  • #774
Sleuth2010 said:

David Edwin Lewis

Born: December 23, 1961- Delaware
murdered: Sept. 4, 2008 - Ashland, Oregon

David was born and raised in Wilmington, Del., and after journeying across the country, he settled in Ashland, Ore. Here, he met the "love of his life", Josee Fournier. They moved to the summit of the "Indian" where they were blessed with three beautiful sons. Dave shared his life with his boys and passed on his passion for the mountains. Dave made everything fun: ice fishing, snowshoeing, riding snowmobiles, dog-sledding, adventuring on motorcycles, all while teaching his sons survival skills and respect for the land.
Dave was also an avid sports fan who instilled the "love of the game" in his sons. He nurtured and encouraged their natural athleticism by tossing footballs and baseballs, even playing ice hockey in the winter. He remained loyal to his "team," the Philadelphia Eagles, through winning and losing.
As time went by, life took many twists and turns. Seasons came and went, his boys turned into young men, and all the while, Dave took pleasure in the watching. He spent his time enjoying simple things and finding beauty everywhere. Dave was an artist by nature, and a man with a unique vision who could make art with every little "treasure" he found: old scrap metal, leather, rocks, wire, string or even chain saw chains, anything worked!
A "good man in any camp," Dave was an animated storyteller with a keen wit and sense of humor. He lived from the depths of his being, stood up for the things in which he believed and shared himself and all he had with the family and friends he cherished.
A "Jack-of-all-trades" and wildland firefighter, David worked hard and played hard. He was intense and unforgettable, a rascal and a live wire. He was a sweet, sweet man who will be greatly missed. Life will go on without Dave, but the ride won't be as much fun.
David was preceded in death by his parents, Robert and Vivian Lewis; and survived by his three sons, Beau, Casey, and Skyler Lewis; and by his three siblings, James, Paige, and Linda Lewis.
There will be a memorial gathering at noon on Sunday, Sept. 14, 2008, at the Summit of the Indian.
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Did Dave (or David, do you know which he preferred?) live in Delaware until moving to Oregon? What year did he graduate from high school?
Do you have a picture of him from high school? What high school did he attend?

In the post attached below, @Rush4087 speculates that Dave may have associations with NW Indiana; to your knowledge, did David ever live in NW Indiana or know a GB or his cousins?
Do you know if GB was ever at or around David's cabin?
Rush4087 said:
@Sleuth2010 and @Lilibet, hoping you guys can maybe answer a couple of questions I’ve been mulling over for quite some time now..

-Who are the “critters” in the photo of Dave at Hyatt (posted back in Feb ‘23 by Sleuth2010)? Was there ever any conflict between DL and any of the “critters”?
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@Rush4087 Were the individuals in the picture with Dave ever identified? Do we know where this picture was taken and or what year?
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Also back in Feb ‘23 Red Clover posted a link to a 9/5/08 MailTribune article that quoted DL’s sister LLM as saying (I guess para): “Lewis was an outspoken man who could have made enemies. He’d gone through an acrimonious divorce in 1999, followed by a string of misdemeanor assault and harassment convictions. He had a decades old conviction for growing marijuana...
-were the misdemeanor assault and harassment convictions related to domestic issues or did they involve somebody outside of his marriage (work, HL, other) that he was perhaps in conflict with? Did DL get along with his ex’s new husband?

- imo a lot of charges like misdemeanor assault (like a bar fight) and harassment are pleaded down or otherwise resolved, but these charges turned into convictions..

-re: the felony conviction for growing marijuana 20 years earlier, that seems like a biggie too (I’ve read that he spent time in prison). How long was he in prison? Was it a big grow op? Where was the grow op located (whose property)? Were others involved (did anybody else also serve time)? Did somebody perhaps hold a 20 plus year grudge?

- @Sleuth2010 posted a photo of “Dave’s friend” Dave Grubbs at a grocery. How well did DL know DG? DG would have only been 19 or 20 at the time of Dave’s murder.

- about 14 months after DL was murdered, GB (of Greensprings / Ashland area) disappeared on a trip to Illinois and Indiana. Pure speculation, but I think it’s possible that GB and a couple of his cousins (with links to both Ashland and to the Illinois/NW Indiana areas, and one of which at one time had roomed with GB) might have been involved in an attempted large drug transaction (again, pure speculation). It appears they had links to the Greensprings, Ashland, Medford, and areas just north.

- Do you know if DL knew GB or GB’s cousins (or their friends)? I have read that GB grew up in the Greensprings / Ashland area. DL was a long time (20 plus year) resident on Dead Indian. It’s seems DL (or maybe his sons?) might’ve known GB or cousins in Ashland or up Greensprings?

I’m sure you both have read the GB thread, but every time read post #65 in that thread I wonder if there is any connection between DL, GB, the cousins, their father, and their friends - Greensprings, Ashland, and NW Indiana? Did they all also perhaps know each other from the past in NW Indiana?

All just speculation, my opinion
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What's Dave's connection to NW Indiana or Illinois and GB and his cousins? Is there any evidence of a cannabis transaction (a large drug transaction) between Dave & GB? Do we know where GB was growing? Could Dave have been aware of a big grow site or something? I am somewhat familiar with the area of Dead Indian Memorial Road and the Greensprings mountain roads. There's a lotta forests and woods with alot of backcountry roads and trails. Could Dave have stolen or destroyed GB's or his cousin's crops? Labor Day- early September is too early for harvest so maybe something happened earlier in the season or even the season before.
There are so many possibilities as to what actually happened. Too bad there's so much obfuscation because it seems like it should be fairly solvable. Hopefully there's a break in this case and his family can be more at ease.
I also have some questions about this person who was asking for money (a sister?) but I need to go back over the thread again because it's so convoluted.
What else is being done to solve this? Is this case still active? Has a person of interest ever been named?

12/25/2024
 
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ShastaDaisy said:
Were the individuals in the picture with Dave ever identified? Do we know where this picture was taken and or what year?
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No, I don’t believe they were identified. Here are the photos again. Could the guy standing next to Dave in the blue jacket possibly be Beller? I believe the photo was identified as being at Hyatt Lake.

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Lilibet

IL Post in thread 'IL - Garren Rudolf Beller, 38, Chicago, 19 Nov 2009'

Here are photos of Garren:

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ADMIN NOTE:

A Report was received about members using Beller's name rather than initials. As a result some posts were modded to initials only.

It was only after the fact that it became apparent that Beller has been discussed at length through this discussion. There is a WS thread on him, and he has been discussed at length throughout this discussion as to whether or not his case is related to Dave's case (therefore initials are not necessary).

All is calm. Carry on :)
 
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Sillybilly said:
he is deceased
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Thanks for the clarification, SB. I assume GB is deceased, but we’ve never heard and he’s still missing, sadly.
 
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Lilibet said:
Thanks for the clarification, SB. I assume GB is deceased, but we’ve never heard and he’s still missing, sadly.
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Well, it's obviously not clarification if it's wrong so I've edited my post to remove reference to him being deceased. Whatever I read indicated he was deceased or at least caused me to interpret it that way. Members know more about the case than I do.
 
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How many people were given polygraphs?
 
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