OR OR - David 'Dave' Lewis, 46, Ashland, 4 September 2008

[ShastaDaisy]

I have read back through and whew! Why do I feel like something crucial is being overlooked or withheld?

Maybe the VI, @Sleuth2010
can answer some of these questions. Maybe?

Was BMcN, the now deceased owner of Hyatt Lake's Campers Cove, ever named as a POI? Was he interviewed by LE? Polygraphed?

Was the person who Dave expected to just show up ever interviewed, investigated or given a polygraph?
Did this person indeed show up for a visit around Labor Day 2008?
Was this person at the memorial on Sunday 9/14/08?

Was there a forensic examination of Dave's finances? Was there cash found after the fire? Was a gun ever found? What kind of gun was used? Was the same caliber gun used in the murder of TDC?

Were any of Dave's siblings interviewed by LE? What about his nieces/nephews?

Were the men photographed with Dave at Hyatt Lake ever interviewed or under investigation?

Was Dave's girlfriend or her ex-partners or on/off boyfriends investigated?

Was Dave's ex wife and her husband investigated or polygraphed?

Were Dave's kids interviewed by LE in 2008? Have they ever been interviewed in the last 16 years?

What about extended family like brothers or sisters in law, were any of them interviewed?

What was the last action taken by LE or others like Private Investigators to investigate this case?

When was the last time the VI had contact with the JCSO, FBI or other agencies involved with this investigation?

Is there any information available that can be used to identify a POI?
Anything?

It would be helpful if additional information that's been shared by LE with insiders could be shared with WS members, it's been so long that sharing information at this late date could solve this case.

If the timing of deaths is closer than previously reported it would be very helpful to have a more precise timeline. Anything helps.

 

[Sleuth2010]

The man who knew too much.

The fire on the sex offender's property, (now purchased and owned) small fire was after Dave's murder, body burning and cabin arsoned. It was reported to law enforcement.

Dave's sister was the person who, just shows up. She was cleared. His brother was cleared. His best fishing buddy was cleared. His x gf was not.

His middle-son was sent out of town, that night, depending on who has their own opinion/facts.

He was death-threatened at Hyatt Lake, Ashland Oregon. That was the last time several friends saw him. He was at Howard Lake the evening of his death. McN and several, "thugs," (as described by a neighbor-rancher) held a meeting at the Lindsay Ranch/Keno Cabin # 18196 / Lily Glen. All congruent properties.

Conde Creek was police-ribboned after he died. Possible route to Troy's friends and Greenway.

Dave and Troy Carney's murders are connected.
They were killed in a closer timeline than Detectives originally thought.

FBI polygraphed McN, wife, RN neighbor on the road. Geo the fire marshal said, showed up first time ever to fight a fire. 4 polygraphed as far as we know.

Fire Station 5 employee(DS) phoned him late that night, supposedly about a CPR class.Sheesh.

Law enforcement doesn't like coincidences.
The Man Who Knew too Much and was going to tell the truth, " on all of them."

Justice 4 Dave Lewis 2025.

joo jmo omo

 

[JennieM]

The man who knew too much.

The fire on the sex offender's property, (now purchased and owned) small fire was after Dave's murder, body burning and cabin arsoned. It was reported to law enforcement.

Dave's sister was the person who, just shows up. She was cleared. His brother was cleared. His best fishing buddy was cleared. His x gf was not.

His middle-son was sent out of town, that night, depending on who has their own opinion/facts.

He was death-threatened at Hyatt Lake, Ashland Oregon. That was the last time several friends saw him. He was at Howard Lake the evening of his death. McN and several, "thugs," (as described by a neighbor-rancher) held a meeting at the Lindsay Ranch/Keno Cabin # 18196 / Lily Glen. All congruent properties.

Conde Creek was police-ribboned after he died. Possible route to Troy's friends and Greenway.

Dave and Troy Carney's murders are connected.
They were killed in a closer timeline than Detectives originally thought.

FBI polygraphed McN, wife, RN neighbor on the road. Geo the fire marshal said, showed up first time ever to fight a fire. 4 polygraphed as far as we know.

Fire Station 5 employee(DS) phoned him late that night, supposedly about a CPR class.Sheesh.

Law enforcement doesn't like coincidences.
The Man Who Knew too Much and was going to tell the truth, " on all of them."

Justice 4 Dave Lewis 2025.

joo jmo omo

Thank you.

 

[Sleuth2010]

Thank you.

You are welcome Jeanne !

 

[Sleuth2010]

Law enforcement confiscated guns a few miles from Dave's cabin, from a " former friend " of Dave's. An employee of the lake. His wife " hid out" during a 4th of July tent gathering.

There were 4 polygraphed.

Maybe facts and factors ? Not opinions and red herrings.

imo moo

Still the same facts: LNy
A year ago. 16 grinds into 17 years of injustice.
RodnDean RodnDean RodnDean

jmo moo omo

 

[ShastaDaisy]

I'm reading through for a third time trying to narrow down the possibilities.
Is there ANY evidence that BMcN was responsible for Dave's death? Isn't he the one that made threats against Dave at the lake? Do we know exactly what happened during that confrontation? How long was it between the confrontation and Dave's killing?
Is BMcN the one that was holding a meeting about Dave? I would like to understand why "they" were holding a meeting and what the topic of conversation was. Was killing Dave the topic or was it about acquiring property or leases around that area?
Did LE just never act on evidence they had, was there any evidence to be found at either location or was someone else responsible or nobody really knows where Dave was, what he was doing in his final hours, who he was last seen with, what time he headed home? It sounds like there were many interviews and from what @Sleuth2010 said, at least 4 polygraphs. I don't understand why LE hasn't been more forthcoming.
It seems like, from what I'm seeing, that it was either someone from the lake (like BMcN?), the family member who had asked for money (Sleuth says it's a sister that was expected to show up) or it was a cannabis interaction that went (very) wrong. It happened on a weekday night at the end of Summer high up in the mountains (I think I saw over 5000' feet elevation!)
It seems like whoever did this was determined to cause a scene, especially since they set a second fire after leaving, they definitely wanted their handiwork to be seen as they could have just killed him and not set fire to anything, maybe the murder would have gone unnoticed for awhile, days maybe.
I don't know what happened but it doesn't seem accidental, IMO, LE really dropped the ball here.

 

[ShastaDaisy]

Still the same facts: LNy
A year ago. 16 grinds into 17 years of injustice.
RodnDean RodnDean RodnDean

jmo moo omo

LNy?
RodnDean?
Does this have anything to do with the guns you mentioned were confiscated?

Law enforcement confiscated guns a few miles from Dave's cabin, from a " former friend " of Dave's. An employee of the lake. His wife " hid out" during a 4th of July tent gathering.

There were 4 polygraphed.

Was the wife hiding from LE? Was this before or after Dave's death in 2008. I'm sorry to seem confused.
Are these people POI's?
Thanks

 

[ShastaDaisy]

Thank you, now I have so many questions!

The man who knew too much.

What did Dave know too much about?

The fire on the sex offender's property, (now purchased and owned) small fire was after Dave's murder, body burning and cabin arsoned. It was reported to law enforcement.

What more can you tell us?
Anything helps this late in the game.
Do you have a date and or location or know if a 911 call was made?
You say it was a small fire, was it inside or outside of a structure?
Was the same accelerant used in this fire as the other 2-3?
How close was this to the house on that property?
Was the fire noticed by the residents or by neighbors?
Was the fire department notified or was it small enough to be handled by the residents?
Who reported the fire to LE?
Is there a POI in this fire?
Do you think this fire was started by the same person/people that killed Dave?
Do you know what the connection was between the fires?
Was the barn/hayshed a hiding place for the murderer?

Dave's sister was the person who, just shows up. She was cleared. His brother was cleared. His best fishing buddy was cleared. His x gf was not.

Interesting that the gf was not cleared. Is there any evidence that she was involved?

His middle-son was sent out of town, that night, depending on who has their own opinion/facts.

I read upthread that the middle son was in helicopter school when this happened, is that not true?

He was death-threatened at Hyatt Lake, Ashland Oregon. That was the last time several friends saw him. He was at Howard Lake the evening of his death. McN and several, "thugs," (as described by a neighbor-rancher) held a meeting at the Lindsay Ranch/Keno Cabin # 18196 / Lily Glen. All congruent properties.

Do you know when Dave received death threats?
When was the last time his friends saw Dave, the night before his murder, over Labor Day weekend or sometime before?
Do you know what time he was at Howard Lake?
Would he have driven past the other cabin that burned on his way home?
Is there anything more that you can think of about the meeting?
Do you know who was at this meeting, could Dave have been there?

Conde Creek was police-ribboned after he died. Possible route to Troy's friends and Greenway.

Dave and Troy Carney's murders are connected.
They were killed in a closer timeline than Detectives originally thought.

By "killed in a closer timeline than Detectives originally thought"
Do you mean that they were actually killed on the same day or night?
Did they say a matter of hours or days closer?
Have detectives been forthcoming about the connection between the two cases with the immediate family members?
Do you have a theory about what happened with the greenway killing or what caused someone to set fire to the location so many days after that murder?

FBI polygraphed McN, wife, RN neighbor on the road. Geo the fire marshal said, showed up first time ever to fight a fire. 4 polygraphed as far as we know.

Interesting there were 4 polygraphs but no POI ever named.
Can you clarify what the fire marshal said?

Fire Station 5 employee(DS) phoned him late that night, supposedly about a CPR class.Sheesh.

I read Dave was a firefighter, I think they have to stay up on their CPR certification so that could be an explanation for the call, unless you think it's more nefarious.
What else do the phone records tell us, was Fire Station 5 the last caller?
Did Dave speak to someone about the CPR class in that late night call?
What would be considered too late to call, 9:00 pm, 11:00 pm?
Do you know if Dave made any calls that night or who his last call was with?

Law enforcement doesn't like coincidences.

What kind of coincidences?

The Man Who Knew too Much and was going to tell the truth, " on all of them."

What did he know too much about and who was he going to tell the truth to "on all of them" and who's "all of them"?

Thank you

 

[ShastaDaisy]

Since the VI says he was going to tell on all of them, could Dave have been a LE snitch and that's why he was harmed and his home set on fire?
What did he know?
Just thinking out loud... and purely speculation on my part

 

[Sleuth2010]

Picture after the arson.

 

[ShastaDaisy]

Picture after the arson.

Can you tell us what we are looking at?

 

[Sleuth2010]

Picture after the arson.

SDaisy
The picture is Dave’s home after the murder and what they did.
His body was found by the chimney.
It took 8 months in the morgue, before they released him. The Medical Examiner’s were great. They cared and weren’t trying to self-promote like some of the “private investigators “ running around, like they know.

Nothing is unknown, or in the dark. Only not prosecuted.



We were there when that body-release happened. He weighed 40 pounds.

He liked the name FISHHOOK and was fishing at Hyatt Lake most days.

 

[ShastaDaisy]

What do we know about the gun or guns that were used?

IF there IS evidence that 9 mm bullets were used in the murders of DL and/or TDC, could the gun have been a Smith & Wesson?

Who owns 1 or more guns that use 9 mm ammunition?

It's interesting to me that
"Nothing is unknown, or in the dark. Only not prosecuted"

That sounds, to me, IMO, like there's a known POI or suspect of some kind that has never been officially named and that there are circumstances that the general public will never be privy to.

In this thread alone there are a half dozen people that have basically been accused of some kind of involvement and yet no one has ever been charged and virtually zero information has ever been released by LE.

If these things can't be stated or released 16 years after the fact, whether by the VI on this thread or by LE, they probably never will be.

It seems like maybe there's an insider reason to keep this information under wraps, potentially because it's incriminating to someone close to Dave-Fishhook.

MOO

 

[Sleuth2010]

Reading the thread from the beginning answers a lot of questions and gives a lot of different opinions. No one was accused. No arrests.

The egregious mishandling by then-Sheriff Michael Winters ( and some in the County allege cover-up / “ effecting the investigation “) has led to 17 years of killers going free from prosecution. An outside-investigation requested by ( the next sheriff) Sheriff Corey Falls, of what was going-on with County administration and the department, left those outside-investigators (with fair, clear perspective) reporting Winters did not have the ability to run the sheriff department’s organization.

Dave Lewis’ case had no-chance from the beginning of the murder and the body burning. Let it go quiet.Cold. Detectives wanted to make arrests, that didn’t happen.

The facts are pretty clear. Occam’s Razor.

Pictures of Dave Lewis from childhood aren’t going to solve this case.
There are several sleuths who know and live in the area. Friends of Fishhook.
And maybe some fresh eyes are on the case.

 

[LinasK]

SDaisy
The picture is Dave’s home after the murder and what they did.
His body was found by the chimney.
It took 8 months in the morgue, before they released him. The Medical Examiner’s were great. They cared and weren’t trying to self-promote like some of the “private investigators “ running around, like they know.

Nothing is unknown, or in the dark. Only not prosecuted.



We were there when that body-release happened. He weighed 40 pounds.

He liked the name FISHHOOK and was fishing at Hyatt Lake most days.

Can you call the detectives or prosecutors handling the case to ask for a status update? I've found that sometimes that gets the most action on a case. It took many years of being a cold case for my cousin's case to get solved. They finally submitted DNA they had for Genetic Genealogy and got it solved.

 

[Sleuth2010]

VICTIM DETAILS
CCR: 08-16617

David Lewis

46

Male

Caucasian/White

SUSPECT DETAILS

Unknown

Murder

Gun/Firearm

Unknown

CASE DETAILS

Unsolved

Victims Home Ashland, Oregon, 97520 Jackson County

Jackson County Sheriff's Office, Central Point, Oregon

There is a $ 20,000.00 dollar reward

Those with information should report. Thank you.

CCR: 08-16617

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Anyone with information regarding this case is encouraged to contact the Jackson County Sheriff's Office at (541) 774-6800. If you wish to remain anonymous, you can call the JCSO Tip Line at (541) 774-8333.

 

[Sleuth2010]

Dave was death threatened at Hyatt Lake, Ashland Oregon. Labor Day weekend 2008. The RV CAMPGROUND new owner, tried to bully employees and locals. Dave called him out, including Daveletting the “ homeless guy” use facilities. It is believed that it was Troy Carney who was also found shot on the same day. Troy was a truck lumper. The RV campground owners have since perished off the earth or gone. It was always known as Dave’s lake.
Both of these murders are tragedies which locals have information on, according to detectives. The new administration is putting a new focus on Dave Lewis’ cold case murder. LN is a person-of-interest with know how of how it happened.
There are rewards totaling over $ 50,000. Anonymously.

Cascade ramp reopens at Hyatt Lake as water levels rise

The Bureau of Land Management is reopening the Cascade Ramp at Hyatt Lake, with the lake now at 84% capacity — the highest level it's reached in several years.

www.kdrv.com

 

[Sleuth2010]

What do we know about the gun or guns that were used?

IF there IS evidence that 9 mm bullets were used in the murders of DL and/or TDC, could the gun have been a Smith & Wesson?

Who owns 1 or more guns that use 9 mm ammunition?

It's interesting to me that
"Nothing is unknown, or in the dark. Only not prosecuted"

That sounds, to me, IMO, like there's a known POI or suspect of some kind that has never been officially named and that there are circumstances that the general public will never be privy to.

In this thread alone there are a half dozen people that have basically been accused of some kind of involvement and yet no one has ever been charged and virtually zero information has ever been released by LE.

If these things can't be stated or released 16 years after the fact, whether by the VI on this thread or by LE, they probably never will be.

It seems like maybe there's an insider reason to keep this information under wraps, potentially because it's incriminating to someone close to Dave-Fishhook.

MOO

Maybe law enforcement at the time, the Sheriff, didn’t want it solved. That is what many in the town of Ashland are saying. He never held press conferences, warned the community, or pursued a normal course of investigation.

Of course there are people in Talent Or. who have defended sex offenders and others who the victim had compromising information on. Do you have info. on who is accused ? Only BM and JP death threatened ( with witnesses)

jmo moo

 

[Sleuth2010]

WHAT DOES JUSTICE FOR DAVE LOOK LIKE ???

The question, while seemingly easy to answer on the surface, requires complex thinking and fluid reasoning.

Is justice delayed justice denied?

Is it knowing who did it? Even if they never face consequences or punishment?

Is it knowing why they did it? What reasoning would offer comfort?

Is it an arrest? What if the charges are dropped? What if it takes years to get to a trial? What if there is an acquittal?

Is it a conviction? Does it matter if it was a jury conviction or plea deal?

Is it the punishment? How many years in prison is acceptable?

What if the offender is already deceased?

What if the offender is already serving time and the state declines to prosecute?

If no arrest ever happens, can anyone find a way to heal?

There really is no right answer for what justice looks like, that is an individual decision. However, it is important to think through all the ways the judicial process could play out so we are prepared.

JACKSON COUNTY OREGON, PLEASE SOLVE DAVE’S MURDER …

PAST TIME TO RELEASE THE CASE FILES … WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AND JUSTICE FOR DAVE IS DUE!

THANK YOU!

jmo moo moo

 

[Sleuth2010]

@Sleuth2010
Are you able to tell us if the fire on the rental property was before or after Dave's murder?

Had some new information that the rental property of the registered sex-offender was before Dave's fire. Hope this helps.