OR - David 'Dave' Lewis, 46, Ashland, 4 September 2008

[Lilibet]

Without absolutely being 100 percent sure that the crimes are specifically connected, imo it is safer, more direct, and less biased if both investigation teams first focus on the facts found in just their respective investigations.

I agree that the Lewis and Carney investigations should be, and most likely are, being kept separate. I too doubt very much that they are connected despite the seeming coincidences. That being said, I think the investigators are no doubt keeping an open mind and thinking beyond the case they’re investigating. A random clue in one case could solve the other case.

JMO

 

[Sleuth2010]

https://cms2.revize.com/revize/jacksoncountyor/Document%20Center/Departments/Sheriff/About%20Us/Document%20Center/Annual%20Reports/2009%20Annual%20Report.pdf

xxx-sheriff Michael Winters’ 2009 “report”

Re-Reading this thread David Lewis and Troy Dean Carney thread. Several articles and individuals remark about the-link between the two men. Including Oregonian.
Lead detectives and investigators/reporters. Research needed not just Sleuth2010

Very sad cases.

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Jmo moo omo

In a 40 page xxxsheriff Michael report, one would think there would be more information about the heinous murders of Dave Lewis and Troy Dean Carney.
That makes common sense. I mean, why wasn’t it ?

On DATELINE a sheriff was discussing a homicide in an educated manner and with professional conduct. Something that no one experienced in the handling of Dave’s investigation, with the sheriff. Detective Fogarty told us quite a lot about Winters bumbles. That Winters should have recused himself and State Troopers take lead. And because Winters kept a room in D.H. House, it wasn’t appropriate to set-up there for Base Camp.

Jmo moo omo

 

[Sleuth2010]

These were installed on Dave's Hyatt Lake, Ashland, Oregon as RVs. BM and wife JP called them " Park Model RV" the ADU guys / work crew kept working when they were red-tagged.
One of the last phone calls to Dave's cabin was from a guy who now sits on Ashland City Council. Although the mountain and Talent, Oregon are outside the city limits.
He told detectives he was calling about CPR class. Only CPR Dave was ever going to do, was kiss a woman.
These RV were completely against the law. Dave objected and fought against them.

If you or anyone you know has information, ideas, facts, please call the tipline.
You can remain anonymous.

jmo moo

 

[Sleuth2010]

When will society learn that murder hurts a ring of people…growing outward.
Expanding exponentially into loss. Killing another is never the answer or end…

 

[Sleuth2010]

Hello All!

I am new to Ashland and came across a reward for information in Dave's case in a copy of "Sneak Preview" that was delivered to my house. I had never heard of the case before and wanted to learn more about my new community, so I dove in. I've now made my way through the entire websleuths thread, as well as having read all the supplementary articles provided via this thread or those that can be found when searching on google. Admittedly, Dave's case does not seem to have gotten its due coverage. I am so sorry to Dave's loved ones for their loss and for also having to contend with rumors and a lack of justice almost 20 years later. I do however fully believe this is still solvable. Even after reading, I have many questions and hope it is okay to jump in and ask them.

1) Is there a definitive connection between Dave and Troy's cases? I have seen online where it is reported both ways (connected, not connected). Is it ballistics? Has the current detective handling the case stated that there is a concrete link? What physical evidence available proves this?

2) Who owned the second arsoned property at the time of the fire? Do they have any connection to the aforementioned resort owners? It's stated on this thread that BMcN had a group of thugs meet up there. Were the homeowners friends of BMcN?

3) Exactly how much work did Dave do for the resort owners? What legal ramifications came upon them for building dwellings instead of providing space for recreational vehicles, if any? Did the owners know or were they friendly with Sheriff Winters?

4) Are there receipts or any hard proof that indicate he was at the Howard Lake Resort the evening of his murder? Is there anything indicating what time he left the resort to head home? Would he have had to travel Keno Rd to get there or would he have taken Hyatt Prairie?

4) It was mentioned that Dave was threatened to be "burned out" or something similar, prior to his death. Who heard that? Where and when was it said? Who was it said by?

5) Does anyone have a comprehensive list of the people who gathered at the burn sight the day of Dave's passing?

6) Who is Dave's ex-girlfriend and why were the police unable to clear her? No verifiable alibi for the evening? I read that their relationship had "soured greatly". What was the nature of their relationship after they broke up? Does this ex still live in the area?

7) Dave's body being found by the chimney...does this indicate that LE believes he was up and confronted/saw his attacker? Or was Dave known to sleep near the fireplace? I know not everyone sleeps in their room (my dad is an AVID couch sleeper).

Lastly...
This is just an observation, but I drove up Dead Indian Memorial Rd and as an outsider, I do not believe someone who wasn't familiar with the area was able to do all of this in the darkness of a new moon. The roads are so windy and elevated up there, with the properties decently dispersed, you would absolutely have to know exactly where you were going. This isn't an area (or a time, in 2008) where I'd expect you would have reception, or even the capability in many cases, to look up directions in the moment.

I have more questions but wish to start with these. I'm brand new to websleuths so If I asked a question that has already been answered, I apologize. After 40 pages of reading here, it's possible to lose track of some of the threads. I do just want to say that I think it's wonderful that some of you have stuck with this for so long. I see how diligent you are with your posts and making sure Dave's story is not forgotten. Dave deserves justice and for that, I am hopeful.

Sleuth on… Deerly Beloved… making a good sincere effort. Appreciated.

#4: Dave was positively at the Howard Prairie camp store. 9/3/2008 evening.

He was on his motorcycle and bought beer and visited with the waitress.

She was going to need firewood for the coming winter and that was what Dave said he could do for her. She said they got along and laughed and talked.

Gave her his phone number and his woodcutting partner’s K.S.

Jmo moo omo

 

[ShastaDaisy]

Sleuth on… Deerly Beloved… making a good sincere effort. Appreciated.

#4: Dave was positively at the Howard Prairie camp store. 9/3/2008 evening.

He was on his motorcycle and bought beer and visited with the waitress.

She was going to need firewood for the coming winter and that was what Dave said he could do for her. She said they got along and laughed and talked.

Gave her his phone number and his woodcutting partner’s K.S.

Jmo moo omo

What else can you tell us about his woodcutting partner, KS?

 

[Sleuth2010]

Thanks to those who truly seek justice,
" This is so sad and horribly unfair.
It's tragic that a jury will probably have to view photos from the crime scene, however it was likely the most difficult for the first responders, cops, and detectives who had to record and photograph it in the immediate aftermath.
May justice be swift and harsh. "

These are not RVs. Dave called the truth.
Roll em all off.

 

[Sleuth2010]

I was thinking about the burning house and it reminded me of Ed Krahel’s murder in Ashland back in 1993. Ed was a harmless eccentric who frequented local bars, and had a collection of real train cars in his yard. That was protested by neighbors, and although the City ruled against him at first, the trains stayed, and I expect the whole train debacle made him some enemies.

We lived near Ed at the time. One night about 1:00 a.m. in January 1993, I woke up to lights, motors and the sound of water running. I could tell something was up, so I got dressed and walked towards the light and saw fire trucks putting out a big fire at Ed’s. No sign of Ed. His body was found inside, with skull damage. Twelve years went by and the murder hadn’t been solved, until a vehicle was pulled over for some reason in SoCal and the passenger blurted out a confession! He was a student at the local university, and Ed had brought him home from the bar, they got into an altercation and he hit Ed on the head with a wine bottle, set the fire, quit school and left town. No amount of police work would have ever solved it had he not confessed.

Bringing this back to Dave, I believe I read that he had been in Ashland that day, so I wonder if he gave someone a ride up the mountain, was hospitable and something similar happened. Dave’s murder seems more targeted, with the somewhat skilled arson and other cabin fire, but Ed’s murder made me think that perhaps it was random and not someone local. Probably far-fetched, but that’s all I’ve got.

11-year search nabs a suspect

After 11 years, Ashland Police Detective Lynn Parlette finally received the call he had been waiting for - a suspect had been apprehended in the Ed Krahel murder, the only unsolved homicide in Ashland...

www.mailtribune.com

9/4/2008 tv news covered David's fire, while he burned. Other photos taken by family & press.

 

[Sleuth2010]

dave's tools

The utter destruction of Dave Lewis' life.