OR OR - Kelly James (dead), Brian Hall, 37, Jerry Cooke, 36, Mt. Hood Climbers, Dec 2006

  • #201
scandi said:
I got that quote from your link right above on this page. So then it is eronious information and not true?
Scandi--those were two entirely separate paragraphs, each was 100% true on its own, but not true when joined together as in the same paragraph. Sorry for the confusion.
 
  • #202
So then one note says James injured . . .And another note, originally left there when they originally left on their climb gave their emergency plan? That's 2 notes. so they did come down and go back up. It is easier to go down! LOL
 
  • #203
Looks like this was from yesterday:

Five ground search teams comprised of 13 members from Crag Rats, Corvallis Search and Rescue and the 304th Rescue Squadron continued by searching the following areas:

1. Team #1 searched south to Timberline Trail and Gnarl Ridge. The team reported that weather conditions would not allow them above the tree line. They did make it to approximately 6500’.
2. Team #2 searched the Timberline Trail and attempted to cross Eliot Glacier. The team reported icy conditions with strong winds and were forced to turn back. They continued to search toward lower Eliot and E. Langille Glacier.
3. Team #3 searched the area of the Tilly Jane Warming Hut, where the three climbers spent the night on 12/07. A note was found in the log book that was left by the three men. The note read “12/7/06, Thanks for your hard work on this great Shelter. We did not plan on staying, but the warmth of the fire changed our minds. We climb as a group of 3 and we left a $20 bill. We will leave tomorrow for the north face! Wish us luck! Nikko, B Hall, Krazy Kelly” No gear was found at this site.
4. Team #4 searched Pollalie Drainage.
5. Team #5 searched lower Tilly Jane.

posted by Barkernews on CascadeClimbers
 
  • #204
So you are saying on the note there were 2 paragraphs. The original one about the emergency plan. And then when Hall and Cooke came back down to the car after James was injured, they wrote a second paragraph on the same note?

Are you sitting there in your coat and hat? :D
 
  • #205
scandi said:
So then one note says James injured . . .And another note, originally left there when they originally left on their climb gave their emergency plan? That's 2 notes. so they did come down and go back up. It is easier to go down! LOL
Scandi, I believe there was only one note left by the 3 climbers. The part about returning down the north face was in case of emergency or bad weather was on the original note found in the car. We learned about Kelly James being in a snow cave and probably injured when he called his family.
 
  • #206
scandi said:
So then one note says James injured . . .And another note, originally left there when they originally left on their climb gave their emergency plan? That's 2 notes. so they did come down and go back up. It is easier to go down! LOL
There is no note about Kelly James being injured; they found that out from his phone call to his son, Jason.
 
  • #207
scandi said:
So you are saying on the note there were 2 paragraphs. The original one about the emergency plan. And then when Hall and Cooke came back down to the car after James was injured, they wrote a second paragraph on the same note?

Are you sitting there in your coat and hat? :D
Scandi, I decided that I will go to Costco tomorrow, so that I can get you squared away. Kelly James is injured and in a snow cave, somewhere on the North side of the mountain, between 10,000 and 11,000 feet. Hall and Cooke are somewhere lower on the mountain, hopefully warm and protected in a snow cave, awaiting rescue.
 
  • #208
Oh good Buzz, Here I thought you were going to run off. LOL

I don't mean to be argumentive, but if you read that excerpt from your link it says " :eek: :eek: :D You repaired the link, as now it reads differently!~ LOL

I do have a correction though, as I have heard the brother say this many times on TV. When James talked to his son he did not mention that he was injured. The brother said they assumed that he was because the son said his dad didn't sound good. And the only reason they would leave him there would be because he was hurt.
 
  • #209
scandi said:
Oh good Buzz, Here I thought you were going to run off. LOL

I don't mean to be argumentive, but if you read that excerpt from your link it says " :eek: :eek: :D You repaired the link, as now it reads differently!~ LOL

I do have a correction though, as I have heard the brother say this many times on TV. When James talked to his son he did not mention that he was injured. The brother said they assumed that he was because the son said his dad didn't sound good. And the only reason they would leave him there would be because he was hurt.
Yes, I did change the verbage slightly, so there was less of a probability that someone else would also make that same mistake.

Just goes to show us that there is always a chance that someone can always misinterpret something that we thought was understood.
 
  • #210
OK Scandi, I need you to proof this for all possible misinterpretations--JK

12-06-2006 The three experienced back-country enthusiasts, 48-year-old Kelly James, of Dallas, Tex., Brian Hall, 37, also of Dallas, and Jerry "Nikko" Cooke, 36, of New York City, set out last Wednesday to climb the treacherous North Face of Mt. Hood, using a technique known as a "rapid ascent". They were carrying a minimum amount of gear and planned to climb to the 11,239-foot summit and descend to their base camp in just a couple of days. The Tilly Jane Trailhead is at 3900'.

Searchers think Cooke and Hall, based on a note they left on their blue Suburban at the Tilly Jane trailhead, are descending the Cooper Spur route. In the note, written on the back of a grocery bag and left inside the front window of the car, one of the men wrote that the climbers planned to make the difficult and dangerous ascent up the Cooper Spur route near Eliot Glacier on Thursday, summit and then descend to Timberline Lodge on the well-used south climbing route Friday. In case of emergency or if they failed to reach the summit, they would return the way they came. Because the south-side route is much easier, their decision to descend the Cooper Spur route has complicated the search, rescue officials said.

12-07-2006 The three spent the night in the Tilly Jane warming shelter, located at 7000'. The cabin is left open for skiers and climbers to use. It is maintained and stocked with firewood by volunteers. A note was found in the log book that was left by the three men. The note read “12/7/06, Thanks for your hard work on this great Shelter. We did not plan on staying, but the warmth of the fire changed our minds. We climb as a group of 3 and we left a $20 bill. We will leave tomorrow for the north face! Wish us luck! Nikko, B Hall, Krazy Kelly”

12-08-2006 James, Hall, and Cooke were to meet other friends at the Timberline Lodge on Friday afternoon. They failed to show up.

12-09-2006 Friends reported the climbers missing. Hall, and Cooke, dug a snow cave for the injured climber Kellt James, just below the summit, and left him to go and seek help. The climbers had a minimal amount of food but could subsist for some time on the water in snow, and they were at least dressed adequately for the subzero temperatures that can rake the summit.

12-10-2006 On Sunday, Hood River County officials found the hikers' vehicle parked at the Tilly Jane ski trailhead, located at 3900', of the Cooper Spur ski area, with a note saying they would return on the north side of the Copper Spur area in case of an emergency or dangerous weather conditions.

Kelly James, called his son Jason Sunday afternoon, injured, and in a snow cave almost 11,000 feet up on the North side of Mt. Hood; Kelly sounded disoriented and said he had run into trouble, but did not specify a physical injury.

12-11-2006 Monday, 7:20AM 911 call attempt from high on the North side of the mountain. Call did not get through.

12-12-2006 Tuesday, According to T-Mobile, the cell phone stopped responding to the signals, or “pings."

The latest news: The cell phone of one of three climbers lost on Mount Hood received a signal from the cell phone company late Tuesday night (at 10:55PM), "indicating it was back on," authorities said Thursday. Hood River Sheriff's office confirmed that Kelly James' cell phone sent out a signal late Tuesday night.

12-13-2006 Wednesday, Search confined to below 7000' due to weather. A Nevada Air National Guard C-130 with heat-sensing devices flew over the mountain Wednesday but had to turn back because of the turbulence. The C-130 was expected back Thursday.

As of Wednesday, the nonprofit ARACAR company provided Nighthawk drones equipped with streaming video and a thermal imaging system that might be able to spot body heat, said Chris Nagelvoort, the company's director of operations. Blinding snow and powerful winds hampered the rescue effort Wednesday. But Nagelvoort said the hand-launched unmanned aerial vehicles, or UAVs, will join the search as soon as weather allows it. "We have it all set up and ready to go. We're just waiting for the wind to subside," Nagelvoort said Wednesday night from a base camp on Mount Hood. The company had three Nighthawks on-site Wednesday, and two more UAVs were expected today. Nighthawks were developed for the Defense Department and have been used in Afghanistan and Iraq, said Michael Pierce, the company's assistant director of support.

IOMAX is providing equipment that will enable searchers to pinpoint the exact location of the cellphone ping. FBI officials arrived Wednesday to lend their expertise in cell phone tracking, and Iomax of Denver, a wireless and data network security company, hoped to better pinpoint James' location.

12-14-2006 Thursday, Plans call for two staging camps on the north and south sides of the mountain so teams could head to the summit quickly if the weather breaks. Snow levels will rise rapidly ahead of the storm today, likely nearing 7000 feet or more in the Oregon Cascades, but they'll plunge precipitously behind the storm. By Friday morning, snow levels are forecast to be down to around 1000-2000 feet in the Washington and northern Oregon Cascades. Winds near the summit are likely to surpass 100 mph Thursday before easing, then daytime temperatures above 10,000 feet are to go below zero.

http://www.weather.com/newscenter/stormwatch/?from=wxcenter_news
 
  • #211
Buzz, I'm not Scandi, :) but they started the ascent on Friday, 12-8 so I don't think they were supposed to meet anyone at Timberline that evening as they knew it would most likely be a 2 day climb and were prepared to spend the night.
 
  • #212
Mountain climbing expert: Mt. Hood conditions "harshest" he's ever seen

BOISE -- A local doctor has been watching the search on Mt. Hood with heightened interest.

Dr. Eric Johnson understands this situation from just about every angle.

Not only has he been a climber stuck on a mountain, but he's also been a rescuer, saving the lives of injured mountaineers.

Johnson is president of the Wilderness Medical Society, a group of 3,000 international physicians who practice in extreme conditions.

In fact, the Discovery Channel features Johnson in a program airing Sunday - a documentary on his volunteer work at a Mt. Everest base camp.

He says the key to survival for the three Mt. Hood hikers will be their level of preparedness, but even that can only last so long.

"If you have preparation for it, you survive a week or so in these elements. I certainly have and others have as well, but these are probably the harshest conditions I have seen for long time, very high winds, 1-3 feet of snow, wet, cold, lack of fuel, lack of food. There's a window here and the longer they stay on that mountain that window's going to get shorter and shorter," said Johnson.

Mt. Hood rescuers say this was the worst weather day since they began searching earlier this week. Forecasts show improved conditions for Friday.

But this search is only scheduled to go through Saturday - one week and one day after the men went missing.

http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-dec1406-mountain_doctor.d104e6c.html
 
  • #213
Oh, my power went off, came back on, is blinking again! Holy Horrors!That is true Buzz about things being understood, and you corrected it perfectly.

Oh, I don't want to sit in this apt tonight in total darkness. I don't want to go to a bar and drink! Why can't they make power lines that can withstand 40-60 mph winds? :crazy: in this day and age. If it goes off I'll be wondering what I'm missing . . . . :boohoo:

Scandi
 
  • #214
Reported on Headline Prime PINGS HEARD just in the last hours ....sort of like an SOS per Nancy Grace and Mark
That is terrific news.......PRAY FOR A CHANGE IN THE WEATHER.....
Same cell phone may have attempted to call 911 on Monday
 
  • #215
Ca-Sun said:
Buzz, I'm not Scandi, :) but they started the ascent on Friday, 12-8 so I don't think they were supposed to meet anyone at Timberline that evening as they knew it would most likely be a 2 day climb and were prepared to spend the night.
From the Oregonian,,

Searchers think Cooke and Hall, based on a note they left on their blue Suburban at the Tilly Jane trailhead, are descending the Cooper Spur route.

In the note, written on the back of a grocery bag and left inside the front window of the car, one of the men wrote that the climbers planned to make the difficult and dangerous ascent up the Cooper Spur route near Eliot Glacier on Thursday, summit and then descend to Timberline Lodge on the well-used south climbing route Friday. In case of emergency or if they failed to reach the summit, they would return the way they came.

Because the south-side route is much easier, their decision to descend the Cooper Spur route has complicated the search, rescue officials said.
 
  • #216
There are avalanche and slide warnings.......Rain, creating ice, then snow on top....of course....avalanche material.

One to two feet of snow due tonight.....looks like snow Saturday also......
Sunday looks good....Oh MY time, time, .........so little time.

Tuesday they said was the turning on and off of the phone...Monday was the 911 call........

But it was just reported about new pings on CNN.........and this says LIVE show.

Pray...........................
 
  • #217
Brother stated "some kind of activity up there" ..(brother).they asked...." could it mean it was turned on and off" they said 'YES"........... Who he was asking I didn't catch................
Thursday...Wind , sleet and snow @ 100 MPH.....OH ..........not good.
 
  • #218
Buzzm1 said:
From the Oregonian,,

Searchers think Cooke and Hall, based on a note they left on their blue Suburban at the Tilly Jane trailhead, are descending the Cooper Spur route.

In the note, written on the back of a grocery bag and left inside the front window of the car, one of the men wrote that the climbers planned to make the difficult and dangerous ascent up the Cooper Spur route near Eliot Glacier on Thursday, summit and then descend to Timberline Lodge on the well-used south climbing route Friday. In case of emergency or if they failed to reach the summit, they would return the way they came.

Because the south-side route is much easier, their decision to descend the Cooper Spur route has complicated the search, rescue officials said.
On Thursday evening, they were at the Tilly Jane hut - that's where they met other climbers, offered them hot cocoa, and signed the guestbook. They decided to wait until Friday to go up the mountain.

The note read “12/7/06, Thanks for your hard work on this great Shelter. We did not plan on staying, but the warmth of the fire changed our minds. We climb as a group of 3 and we left a $20 bill. We will leave tomorrow for the north face! Wish us luck! Nikko, B Hall, Krazy Kelly”
 
  • #219
Ca-Sun said:
On Thursday evening, they were at the Tilly Jane hut - that's where they met other climbers, offered them hot cocoa, and signed the guestbook. They decided to wait until Friday to go up the mountain.

The note read “12/7/06, Thanks for your hard work on this great Shelter. We did not plan on staying, but the warmth of the fire changed our minds. We climb as a group of 3 and we left a $20 bill. We will leave tomorrow for the north face! Wish us luck! Nikko, B Hall, Krazy Kelly”
Sun, the Tilly Jane Trailhead is at 3900'; the Tilly Jane warming hut is at 7000'.
 
  • #220
Buzzm1 said:
Sun, the Tilly Jane Trailhead is at 3900'; the Tilly Jane warming hut is at 7000'.
Ohhhh, ok. Oops. It makes sense now. But they still would not have been back by Friday night. At one point they thought they would leave Thursday evening, but once in the warm hut with the fire, they decided to stay.
 

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