OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #1

[pufnstuf]

Attached are photos of Kyron with his project and, later, his classroom after he was reported missing.

It looks to me like Kyron's project was exhibited in his classroom. So what I don't get is why his stepmom says that the last time she saw him was when he was headed to the classroom.

They set up his project, then went where?, then he was headed back to the room?

I don't get it. Did they go look at other projects in other rooms before he headed back to his room?

 

[Chili Fries]

Meghan Kalkstein of KATU twittered an hour ago that they have expanded the search to his neighborhood, which is 3 miles away from the school.

 

[RubyRed]

Multnomah County Sheriff’s Capt. Jason Gates, speaking at a noon press conference at the school Saturday, said someone called 9-1-1 at about 3:45 p.m. to report Kyron missing. He would not say who made the call.

He said Portland police initiated the search and “it was realized it was not going to be an immediate find.”

Gates later said that meant that the boy was not going to be found in an expected place, such as the school or his home. He said, “The family has been nothing less than completely cooperative.”


http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Was Kyron's due off the bus at 3:45?
And the 911 call was made at approx. 3:45?

So...did the parents call 911 immediately after Kyron didn't get off the bus? Due to the quality of reporting, that probably isn't accurate. But...if it is, it seems a little odd to me.

I vividly remember a day my brother, about 8 at the time, didn't come home on the bus. My mom was freaking out (understandably so), but the first call wasn't 911. It was to one of his friend's, to see if he'd gone there. And then to the school. And this took place as we were pulling out of the driveway to go to the school. Of course, Kyron's parents could have done the same and it just wasn't reported. Who knows.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying they had anything to do with this. It looks like they have been cooperating, and nothing has indicated their involvement. Just something to look at, I guess.

 

[DairyGirl]

The only thing I have read about last seen times was the one person that said she saw him at 8:15 am with the step mother, some staff that said they saw them but don't think they gave a time, and the stepmother saying she saw him at 8:45 am going to his classroom. I don't know if there were any other verified sightings or at what time.

 

[human]

Where I live, schools are just starting to put in security measures, but they all don't have them as new schools are being built ,and the old ones will be torn down or put to a different use.

I can tell you from many many first hand experiences, that schools are a scary place. Children feel safe in them, so no one is a "stranger". I have talked to many friendly children who do not know me. I have felt that they would do anything to be helpful to me.

A few years ago, my husband went to a school with me, and he commented the same thing. Kids would have walked off with him anywhere.

Once someone is in the building, it's so easy to walk out. And who would notice, especially on a day such as that when people are coming and going. Lots of "strangers" to adults, but not to kids.

Perhaps he had to go to the bathroom before he went to class and met up with trouble there or after leaving the bathroom.

Taxpayers are not willing to pay for schools. At least not where I live. I won't go into how we are getting new schools built here to replace the aging health pits here. It's ugly and continues to be ugly here because of what was done to provide for children here.

Classrooms here do not have bathrooms in them, so a child is off on his/her own to go do that. I wonder if that is the case there as well?

 

[RubyRed]

Attached are photos of Kyron with his project and, later, his classroom after he was reported missing.

It looks to me like Kyron's project was exhibited in his classroom. So what I don't get is why his stepmom says that the last time she saw him was when he was headed to the classroom.

They set up his project, then went where?, then he was headed back to the room?

I don't get it. Did they go look at other projects in other rooms before he headed back to his room?

It sounds like to me they broke into small parent led groups and went from room to room.

 

[raeann]

Attached are photos of Kyron with his project and, later, his classroom after he was reported missing.

It looks to me like Kyron's project was exhibited in his classroom. So what I don't get is why his stepmom says that the last time she saw him was when he was headed to the classroom.

They set up his project, then went where?, then he was headed back to the room?

I don't get it. Did they go look at other projects in other rooms before he headed back to his room?

Yes, the small groups went together to tour the other rooms. His step mom left after they went to the other classrooms. From the second picture, it looks like the desk in front with the papers on it and no chair put up must be his desk. It is the same one in comparison to position as can be seen by the red banner taped to the other desks. Also, it looks like all of the other projects have been taken home except for his which is sitting there on the floor to the left.

jmoo

 

[RubyRed]

I'm curious who made the 911 call also.

 

[raeann]

Was Kyron's due off the bus at 3:45?
And the 911 call was made at approx. 3:45?

So...did the parents call 911 immediately after Kyron didn't get off the bus? Due to the quality of reporting, that probably isn't accurate. But...if it is, it seems a little odd to me.

I vividly remember a day my brother, about 8 at the time, didn't come home on the bus. My mom was freaking out (understandably so), but the first call wasn't 911. It was to one of his friend's, to see if he'd gone there. And then to the school. And this took place as we were pulling out of the driveway to go to the school. Of course, Kyron's parents could have done the same and it just wasn't reported. Who knows.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying they had anything to do with this. It looks like they have been cooperating, and nothing has indicated their involvement. Just something to look at, I guess.

One of the early links gave the bus time, which was IIRC 3:20 or 3:30. That article said the first call was to the school to see if he had missed the bus. The school then told the step mom he had been absent all day, thus, the immediate call to 911. Seems like a very logical sequence and timeline overall.

jmoo

 

[DairyGirl]

I'm curious who made the 911 call also.

One of the earlier reports said that the parents called the school when Kyron didn't come home on the bus and once they realized that he couldn't be found they called the non emergency number and then called 911. Don't know how accurate that is.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

One of the early links gave the bus time, which was IIRC 3:20 or 3:30. That article said the first call was to the school to see if he had missed the bus. The school then told the step mom he had been absent all day, thus, the immediate call to 911. Seems like a very logical sequence and timeline overall.

jmoo

THANK YOU! I missed that. That makes more sense.

 

[crystalgenie]

“He’s not the type of child who would just go out of school and go searching or wandering around,” Zimmerman said. “He’s just a timid, sweet boy.”

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html

That statement bothers me. I hope some predator didn't lure him off. He would be the type of child that one would be looking for. I hope that poor little Kyron but I don't have a goood feeling.

 

[annalyzer]

Searchers Keep Looking For Kyron Horman

Last Update: 7:07 pm

It's been an exhaustive, and largely frustrating, effort for the more than 150 people who searched the ground around Skyline
School Friday and Saturday. Some of them planned to stay at it all night and into Sunday, looking for seven-year-old Kyron Horman, or for any sign which might lead to finding him.

Search & Rescue volunteers scoured a one-to-two-mile area around Skyline Elementary School. The second-grader's step-mother says she last saw him at the school Friday morning, walking toward his classroom in the K-through 8th grade school. (see related story).

More than 100 search & rescue volunteers remained out on the ground early Saturday evening, while more than 50 detectives were conducting interviews, trying io get any information they can. Many of those interviews were by knocking on neighbors' doors over a wide area, asking people if they'd seen anything, and also asking residents to search their yards, crawl spaces and every other inch of their properties.

Fourteen different agencies, including teams from the four neighboring counties and the FBI, are using any resources they can to help with the search. Nearly 40 hours after Kyron's disappearance, volunteeers like Multnomah County Search & Rescue's Tony Bernavo were trying not to feel discouraged. "The best thing we cvan do now is hope," says Bernavo."There's a lot of people looking for him, doing all we can." Bernavo is one of those people willing to search all night and beyond, if that's what it takes.

But as time moved on with no sign of the boy, the ground search part of the effort was slowly scaling down, while the detectives' investigational work was increasing - and spreading out over a much wider geographical area.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/n...n-Horman/229uF9i160SiLDovQP1YYw.cspx?rss=1100

 

[~greeneyedgirl~]

I'm curious who made the 911 call also.

Me too, I understand he is very young still but I would have called the school first if my child didn't get off the bus, has it been said that he gets dropped off right at his driveway (i cannot remember) but if this is the case then the bus would have just driven right by if Kyron wasn't on it, no?

I live in a small town of 3000 people and there are security cameras in both of the grade schools and the highschool in my town as well as in grade school you are called at home within the 1st hour of school by the secretarty if your child isn't there but with my teenager I get a call in the evening automated that he missed school.

As sad as this is twice a child was forgotten on the bus here because they fell asleep in the back and weren't noticed until the driver went to bring the bus back, and one time I was late to pick up my sweet baby girl from the bus when she was about 5 and they just brought her back to school, not that that story has anything to do with this case, just sharing a bit, sorry.

I am by no means passing judgement, i just want this little guy found quickly and safely.

 

[Angel4u2Whisper2]

I hope that they find him very soon.
Every minute that goes by must seem like a lifetime to those waiting to hold him tight and tell him a zillion I love you's!

raying:

 

[cluciano63]

the words that stick out to me from LE is "to protect the integrity of the investigation" they can't say more...why would they use a phrase like this unless they have an idea of what happened? Those words do not correlate with a regular search for a child who may have wandered off, IMO...

 

[RubyRed]

A local news channel posted a missing child poster on the side of their van while covering a press conference with special agent Arthur Balizan of the FBI, (seen in the background). Kyron Horman, a second grader at Skyline School, has been missing since June 4, 2010, at about 9 a.m. Andrew Burton / Staff Photographer​

The FBI has been called in to help with the investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman, a second grader at Skyline School who went missing at around 9 a.m. on June 4, 2010.​

TV crews set up broadcast centers outside Skyline School, where Kyron Horman was last seen.​

Kyron Horman's desk, (right) and his science fair project on the red-eyed tree frog in his second grade classroom​

Washington County Deputy Dave Thompson escorts members of the press inside Skyline school​

Karen Wolfgang, of the Multnomah County Sheriff's office search and rescue team, looks through a densely wooded area​

Search and rescue workers marked areas of nearby field that had already been searched with orange tape.​

A sign for Kyron Horman hangs inside the Plainview Grocery and Autoparts store​

Deputy Kevin Mitcham, of the Washington County search and rescue team, searches through Leslie Liden's home, while looking for Kyron Horman door-to-door on June 5, 2010, near Cornelius Pass in northwest Portland​

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Deputy Kevin Mitcham, (center) of the Washington County search and rescue team, enters into Leslie Liden's home, right, while searching door-to-door​

http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/authorities_search_for_kyron_h.html​

 

[pufnstuf]

Rough timeline:

8:15 AM (Zimmerman): Says everyone went into their classroom for the science fair and broke into parent-led groups of four or five. She wasn’t sure what group Kyron was in, but she said the last time she saw him was at 8:15, when the groups began going from class to class.

8:45 AM(T. Horman): Claims she last saw Kyron as he headed toward his classroom after she took him through the school's science fair.

10:00 AM: Class begins. Kyron wasn't there, and his teacher marks Kyron absent. Skyline doesn't use an auto-dialer to notify parents that a student is not present because, according to a school spokesman, Skyline doesn't have a problem with attendance.

3:30 PM: Kyron fails to return home on his school bus as scheduled. His family calls the school.

3:45 PM: Someone (the school? the parents?) calls 911 to report Kyron missing.

 

[Angel4u2Whisper2]

Has it been reported that the school, all of it, has been searched thoroughly?

ITA. That is such a good question.

I would also wonder if any maintance worker, or teacher or teachers assistant left work early that day as well due to any reason. Stating that they had an emergancy or that they felt ill. Or were late for class, work duties or unaccounted for during that morning. Maybe someone asked him to help in clean up or to assist in locating something within the school?