OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #10

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1. I have nothing to say about the vid of the family. People are wrong no matter which way they analyze.

2. I am wondering about the school bus drop-off that was initially brought up yesterday by another poster.

I, too, live out in the country in another state. My children were dropped off at my house when in elementary school. When in junior high, they were dropped off at a drop off spot and had to walk to my house about 1/2 mile away.

When my oldest child was in JR high, a friend's child was kidnapped (never to be seen again, but at night and 150 miles from me), I changed every child's school situation, even though my oldest was in jr. high, that they went to a baby sitter , my parent's house, or to a friend's house after school as I worked.

The bus would not stop at my house if my children were not on the school bus. There would be no reason to.

I am wondering if another child lived where the bus would drop off Kyron ( which I would assume would be at his house at that age, but then maybe not)

Otherwise, why would the bus stop?

The bus certainly wouldn't stop to talk to a parent. The driver would just drive on by.

3. If kyron is in the woods alone, he could not be alive, I feel.

We have had rain here the last couple of days, and even sheltered under pine trees, the rain and wind would cause hypothermia.

4. If it's not an abduction and he didn't wander, what is it? Seriously, can anyway hint to me without TOS what it could be?

No reward money? Is it being implied that a family member made arrangements to meet Kyron and take him for some reason?

BBM:

Adding to number 4. It is also an isolated incident, community children are not in danger.

5. Kyrons Dad requested a specific horse ranch/farm be searched. This means alot to me.

My theory is "someone" in the family has Kyron. The family knows who it is, but, not where.
Again, IF it is someone in the family, the family would want to protect both Kyron and the person/relative that has him.

I beleive that is the only reason this is not called a kidnapping, is because Kyron is with someone he is normally allowed to be with and is NOT a stranger. Perhaps Kyron went willingly with his relative?
 
Well did you see Dan Rather's report? Portland leads the U.S. for trafficking of children and prostitution.

Portland is great if you're a plug-in car, Portland sucks if you're a child.

Portland is a fun place to live as a single person! I am not a fan of the Portland Police Department, they can be slow to react ....so glad Multnomah Sheriff has this and called in the FBI (they have certainly been low key).
 
I beleive that is the only reason this is not called a kidnapping, is because Kyron is with someone he is normally allowed to be with and is NOT a stranger. Perhaps Kyron went willingly with his relative?

Then why all the police? The FBI? The searches? The missing posters and daily news conferences? There is likely a very short list of people he's allowed to be with and that could be investigated within a few hrs at most.
 
I agree with you, esp with your last sentence, I should have said that.

I just don't see the cold shoulder you guys saw. I saw an emotional non-custodial mom that if she took one deep breath may collapse, and I saw a very worried step mom that didn't want to be standing up there by herself while her husband spoke.
I saw a step father and a father who made a point of a very long hug for two men that was meant to (in my opinion) signal they are united.
 
a few questions i have,

1. was kyron REALLY supposed to participate in the talent show?
2. if so, why would a SAHM not have been there?
3. where was the baby when kyron was taken to school

Wasn't the talent show later in the afternoon and she does have another child as well. I would absoulutley prefer to stay home then drag a toddler out to something like that where he is going to be bored and frustrated.
 
Jules my computer has no sound. If theres any new news can you let us know. TIA

Well I didn't catch much because I was running around trying to find the right link. I was expecting a presser to come on and instead it was news, so I thought I was at the wrong site. They re-capped the appearance of the family from earlier and showed some maps of where the school is and the rock quarry.
 
The searches mean to me that they even if they think they know who initally took Kyron, that he is no longer with that person and therefore, they are trying to locate his remains. That is, if he was ever taken to begin with.
 
What I find strange is that nothing is actually being said and people aren't being asked to do anything. The dads/stepdads are talking directly to little Kyron--he is likely not in a place where he is watching them on TV.

So this presser is for whose benefit? I guess the media, but nothing was really said, nothing was answered, no information on what police think is mentioned, no talk of abduction, ransom, etc. No questions are really being answered either.

This is unlike just about every other missing child case I can think of, in terms of there being no info and everything is being hidden/not discussed.
 
Very good question about the bus stop drop off and if any other kids get let off the bus there. You are right, if no other kids get dropped off - why would the bus stop? Here is a link to Skyline bus routes and times. I haven't had time to analyze it yet: http://www.pps.k12.or.us/depts-c/bus/bus_out.php?school=SKY&upload_date=4/27/2010

These are the bus stops and times for Kyron's house (the # at the end is the route #):
15725 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD 8:22 AM 146
15725 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD 3:31 PM 146
 
Very good question about the bus stop drop off and if any other kids get let off the bus there. You are right, if no other kids get dropped off - why would the bus stop? Here is a link to Skyline bus routes and times. I haven't had time to analyze it yet: http://www.pps.k12.or.us/depts-c/bus/bus_out.php?school=SKY&upload_date=4/27/2010
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Because he saw a parent waiting. Probably did another quick check to see if Kyron was on the bus, and out of courtesy stopped. I have seen a bus driver stop before when the child didn't get off the bus and a parent was waiting.
 
Then why all the police? The FBI? The searches? The missing posters and daily news conferences? There is likely a very short list of people he's allowed to be with and that could be investigated within a few hrs at most.

No one has said if there was another certain family member has not accounted for since the time Kyron went missing.
 
My theory is "someone" in the family has Kyron. The family knows who it is, but, not where.
Again, IF it is someone in the family, the family would want to protect both Kyron and the person/relative that has him.

I beleive that is the only reason this is not called a kidnapping, is because Kyron is with someone he is normally allowed to be with and is NOT a stranger. Perhaps Kyron went willingly with his relative?

If that were true, then the family would know. Looking at the MASSIVE search efforts and the search base camp... you don't spend that kind of money and effort if you know where he is. At this point, I believe they just don't know.
 
Then why all the police? The FBI? The searches? The missing posters and daily news conferences? There is likely a very short list of people he's allowed to be with and that could be investigated within a few hrs at most.

Maybe Kyron was taken by the person and then the person left him? Kyron would then be missing and in need of rescue.
 
Reading all the pages and seeing the many frog avatars on behalf of little Kyron - I will be forever grateful he didn't do science project on spiders. moo
 
ITA. The aunt or Desiree's husband could have been the speaker for the family. Also I think that LE should have told us the family has given there DNA, there cars were tested and everyone passed the ldt. That would have been the end of it. Then everyone could have moved on. But thats JMO.

I'm sorry I haven't caught up - but did that happen?
 
Reality unfortunately states that most abductions are done by parents and that the last person to see a child is often involved. That's reality. I know it's not what anyone wants to read, because it hurts to think that someone responsible for the care of a child could harm a child. Even knowing that, I've never said that his stepmother did it, just that her behavior deserves scrutiny.

I agree that we need to keep this sad reality in mind[ ]however, I do think it's also important to keep in mind when evaluating the behavior of close family members in a situation like this, that some or all of them may be receiving medication to help them deal with the stress and anxiety (which both innocent and guilty parties are likely to experience). Psychoactive medications have different and somewhat unpredictable effects in different people, so between that and not knowing which if any medications a particular person might be under the influence of, we shouldn't become overconfident of any conclusions or strong suspicions that we may have based on evaluating someone's behavior, whether it's their decision to go to the gym or their behavior in a media appearance.

Terri might seem like she's "faking it" because she's really faking it, or because she's under the influence of medication that's making it difficult for her to really feel anything -- but then she knows intellectually that if she's going in front of the TV cameras she has to look and sound distraught, or people will think she doesn't care and that she's probably responsible for Kyron's disappearance. For all we know, she might have been a hysterical wreck, crying out of control, collapsing, etc, before being heavily medicated, and then after being medicated, ended up so numb to everything that she had to make a concerted effort to express grief and distress in front of the media, which came across seeming like "faking it".

I'm not interested in convicting anybody (family or stranger) without good evidence, but I do think we should discuss both the "points to guilt" and "points to innocence" interpretations that can reasonably be made of the various skimpy bits of evidence we have access to.
 
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